PDA

View Full Version : New head units 2007



wavdj
02-20-2007, 10:17 AM
Hi,
I have to change my head unit... I was wondering if some of you tried the new 2007 models ? Here in quebec, nothing has come out yet !!!

I had an Alpine 9853, but I have some problem with.... I would like to have a nice new cd/mp3/wma...

I heard alpine wasn't as good as they were before ?
Some people told me that Kenwood Excelon are much better ?:rolleyes:
And i like the eclipse products....

What do you recomand me ? I'd like to pay around 500-700$.... I just want a head unit that plays CD/mp3 , nothing else particular.... but i want the BEST SOUND QUALITY with clean sound....
I also have XM Radio, i'd like if i could have one that i can connect directly or with a TIRK module like I did with the alpine... I think it's possible with both kenwood and eclipse ?

What about the Burr Brown technology in kenwood? is that so good ?

I have 2amps, one mono for a JL Audio sub, and the other 4 X 75 for MB Quart comp. speaker..


So i hesitated for a new Alpine (must have 4v preout, like the new cda-9885 that I haven't tried or see at all...
Or a Kenwood excelon..
Or a eclipse ? 5100 or 7100 ?
Or anything else ?

Which is the best sound quality !! ( and of course, good reliability)
thank you ;)

zSnb
02-20-2007, 12:47 PM
If you want the best sound quality, go with the Pioneer p880prs or the Eclipse CD7000. I like the Pioneer because its $300 cheaper and it still has a little more tweaks. Kenwood Excelon X991 is also supposed to sound really nice. I believe it is a slightly updated version on the X990 that is its 2006 model. Right now my vote will always go for the 880prs. Very simple to use, it has ALOT of features, 5v preouts, and it just looks so darn ****.

wavdj
02-20-2007, 06:51 PM
Ok..
well im not too sure about Pioneer ?
But anyway, u too think alpine is over now ?

Is there a way a Eclipse can have XM Radio right on the HU ?

zSnb
02-20-2007, 10:42 PM
Why are you not too sure about pioneer? Its the only head unit i ever recommend. I used to own a nice Eclipse and Im very happy I switched to Pioneer. For less $$ you get quality thats on par with Eclipse, Alpine and Kenwood with even more features. Nothing better than an 880prs under $700. Spend the other $300 towards your substage or your install.

MBrock4u
02-21-2007, 04:30 AM
No argument here. The Pioneer 880prs is a beautiful deck. You can also go with the Kenwood Excelon X-990. Their are specials running online for that deck. I don't think the new Excelons are due out until the summer.

Fixxer
02-21-2007, 04:48 AM
Do yourself a favor and take a serious look at Pioneer. The 880prs is a slick HU.. I would of bought that if I didn't want to try a screen. I still have plenty of tweaks with my AudioControl DQXS though. :)

wavdj
02-21-2007, 08:23 AM
allright I'll have a look...
It's just because I have never tried pioneer, and never really had good comments on it...
thanks !

wavdj
02-27-2007, 10:18 AM
Thanks for all.. i went to see the Premier models... they are amazing...
But now I hesitated between the 880PRS, 980BT and 760MP ?
I prefer the look of the 980 and 760 (it has the same display, right?), but is the 880 better?

What make the 980 so expensive ? Beside the Bluetooth connection, is there something else different with the 780 ?

Thanks ! :)

zSnb
02-27-2007, 11:01 AM
the 980/780 are the same exaxt thing but the 980 has bluetooth and the 780 does not. go with the 780 if bluetooth doesnt matter. on the other hand, the 880prs has a few more functions for sound adjustability. if you are planning on running an active setup (each speaker having its own amplified channel) then the 880 with have alot more adjustability. if you are going to use coaxils or the passive crossover on your components, then get the 780/980.

wavdj
02-27-2007, 11:15 AM
Well Pioneer seems confused...
On their website, they say thay 780 and 980 is the same (without the bluetooth),
But in their 2007 catalog, they say that 780 has not Time aligment, only 7EQ, and a lot of other feature

Which one is the right ? :crap:

And for your question, I will use a 4ch amplifier for my speakers, with the crossover on my component(is that what you call the passive crossover?).

Does the 780/980 has a voltmeter gauge too ? ;)
thanks !

frzninvt
02-27-2007, 12:46 PM
Any head unit with an internal amplifier is NOT a top notch sound quality deck. How many quality home CD players come with an amplifier built in?

Prowler573
02-27-2007, 01:02 PM
Any head unit with an internal amplifier is NOT a top notch sound quality deck. How many quality home CD players come with an amplifier built in?

There aren't many true "deadhead" headunits around anymore :fyi: but there are more than a few available that have the option to defeat the deck's internal amp that wouldbe more than suitable for an SQ-oriented setup.

Your remark about home CD players is more than a bit silly, however.

How many stand-alone (component) home CD players have built-in amps? None that I've seen as they are designed to be incorporated into a larger system rather than be the system.
That being said there are plenty of (non-amped) home CD players that are pure crap. The presence of an internal amp (or lack thereof) is a pretty nonsensical method of deciding a unit's quality in this regard.

frzninvt
02-27-2007, 01:13 PM
My point on the home CD units was meant to be absurd to prove a point. Yes there are crappy home units for sure, you get what you pay for!

However, in the car audio realm if one was truly seeking top notch sound quality or if it was the manufacturer's intent to provide it, internal amplification would not be necessary or provided. Being able to turn it off is OK, however if the unit was built with SQ in mind it would not have amplification in the first place. People looking to assemble a top notch SQ system are not interested in a deck and four speakers sans amplification.

Not many if any units in production today would qualify. Certainly not Pioneer or Eclipse or even Alpine anymore for that matter.

wavdj
02-27-2007, 02:56 PM
well anywya, isn't the question about the Pioneer Premier 780,880 and 980 ?
:D

Towncar
02-27-2007, 03:14 PM
well anywya, isn't the question about the Pioneer Premier 780,880 and 980 ?
:D

The 880 is the best out of that bunch, but the 780 is a great unit. Are you insterested in blue tooth or not? because if you arent, then you might aswell get the 780. Both the 780, and 980 are very similar. Both have 16 bands of eq. Im not sure what it says on pioneers website, but they screw up from time to time on the specs.

Towncar
02-27-2007, 03:15 PM
Not many if any units in production today would qualify. Certainly not Pioneer or Eclipse or even Alpine anymore for that matter.

ok

wavdj
02-27-2007, 03:16 PM
No i don't care about blue tooth... that's why i think ill go with 780... but some ppl tells me that 880 is much better so im not that sure ?

Towncar
02-27-2007, 03:22 PM
No i don't care about blue tooth... that's why i think ill go with 780... but some ppl tells me that 880 is much better so im not that sure ?

Well do you see yourself going with an active setup ever? If not, then just grab the 780. The 880 really wouldnt benefit you to much.

DejaWiz
02-27-2007, 03:26 PM
1. My point on the home CD units was meant to be absurd to prove a point. Yes there are crappy home units for sure, you get what you pay for!

2. However, in the car audio realm if one was truly seeking top notch sound quality or if it was the manufacturer's intent to provide it, internal amplification would not be necessary or provided. Being able to turn it off is OK, however if the unit was built with SQ in mind it would not have amplification in the first place.

3. People looking to assemble a top notch SQ system are not interested in a deck and four speakers sans amplification.

4. Not many if any units in production today would qualify. Certainly not Pioneer or Eclipse or even Alpine anymore for that matter.

1. Yes, you do get what you pay for, but there are many HU brands that offer affordable units in all price segments and any will do the job just fine and last a long time doing it.

2. Internal amplification is there for 2 reasons: to make sales and to provide installation flexibility. I'm sure Pioneer, Sony, and Alpine (as examples) sell way more HU's because any Joe or Mary can walk into a store, pick out a new HU, and use that as a factory replacement/upgrade without the need for quadrupling their purchase price with what-would-be necessary external amplifiers. If they had to do so, that would be very bad business sense on the manufacturers part.

3. Some people seek and do it. No, they aren't likely to win any formal SQ competitions, but I have had my share of non-externally amplified systems that had very nice SQ. In fact, the more you amplify a reference signal, the less signal quality comes out....

4. Oh really? Please, do tell which HU's do qualify as best choices for SQ systems.


No i don't care about blue tooth... that's why i think ill go with 780... but some ppl tells me that 880 is much better so im not that sure ?

I vote for the 780 or 7800 (same HU really, just one is Pioneer and the other is Pioneer Premier). Although, take a look at the new 6900UB (http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIODEHP6900UB).

wavdj
02-27-2007, 04:12 PM
yea this unit seems nice...
is the 24-bit Delta Sigma D/A converter as good as the 24bit burr brown ?

DejaWiz
02-27-2007, 04:37 PM
yea this unit seems nice...
is the 24-bit Delta Sigma D/A converter as good as the 24bit burr brown ?

The differences will not be audible to human ears.

MarineCarAudio
02-28-2007, 02:04 PM
JVC HUs are better then Pioneer, but if you are looking for "walmart" quality then buy a pioneer.

bigj06040
02-28-2007, 02:08 PM
JVC HUs are better then Pioneer, but if you are looking for "walmart" quality then buy a pioneer.


this guy is an idiot, have you ever compared the two, if you have you would notice the jvc is a piece of junk compared to pioneer.

also look what this guy is running a Jensen so he obvisouly does not know quality

TheBaron929
02-28-2007, 02:13 PM
x2

DejaWiz
02-28-2007, 02:28 PM
JVC HUs are better then Pioneer, but if you are looking for "walmart" quality then buy a pioneer.

By your very definition then all mainstream HU's should **** (which they don't).

Walmart = Mainstream = Alpine, JVC, Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony, etc, etc.

MBrock4u
03-01-2007, 05:27 AM
Wal-Mart quality huh?? Is he refering to the p880? What is this guy smokin? Lets send him some quality roadmaster subs to go along whith his new hu. LOL!

google123
03-01-2007, 06:12 AM
JVC HUs are better then Pioneer, but if you are looking for "walmart" quality then buy a pioneer.
:laugh: good one. take it back! :furious:

wavdj
03-01-2007, 11:23 AM
in fact i have never seen any Jensen Product outside wallmart:laugh:
same for JVC ... oh yeah... they have it at future shop !
:laugh:

Prowler573
03-01-2007, 11:43 AM
I think the Pep Boys stores here carry JVC HUs...

MarineCarAudio
03-01-2007, 11:46 AM
haha I need to update my set-up....I have a sony flip-out.

Prowler573
03-01-2007, 11:52 AM
haha I need to update my set-up....I have a sony flip-out.

Umm, yeah....that makes it soooo much better since Sony enjoys a tremendous amount of popularity around these parts! :rolleyes:

On a sidenote - you are not supposed to have any off-site businesses linked to in your posting signature and that place is a rip-off anyway! (going by the response I got from them yesterday...)

jeffs42885
03-01-2007, 12:30 PM
pioneer 880 Prs > Every Headunit Mentioned In This Thread

Towncar
03-01-2007, 04:44 PM
JVC HUs are better then Pioneer, but if you are looking for "walmart" quality then buy a pioneer.

:ban:

wavdj
03-03-2007, 05:14 PM
i just tried the 780 .....
i just HATE the control button ?
is all the other pioneer like that ?

adam71
03-04-2007, 08:58 AM
Any head unit with an internal amplifier is NOT a top notch sound quality deck.

I used to think the exact same way you do. But after using my Premier 860 in USAC competitions I would have to retract my old statements.

adam71
03-04-2007, 09:05 AM
Not many if any units in production today would qualify. Certainly not Pioneer or Eclipse or even Alpine anymore for that matter.

That is completely false. Ever heard of the P9, Carrozeria line or ODR line?? Think again mister.

chucku
03-04-2007, 10:43 AM
Where can one get a 880prs? I cant seem to find one any where? And does it controll an I-pod as well as an alpine 78565? TIA, Chuck

Towncar
03-04-2007, 01:20 PM
Where can one get a 880prs? I cant seem to find one any where? And does it controll an I-pod as well as an alpine 78565? TIA, Chuck

Took a matter of seconds...

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6822.html

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-Premier-DEH-P880PRS-In-Dash-CD-MP3-WMA-WAV-ACC_W0QQitemZ120093629127QQihZ002QQcategoryZ39752Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

chucku
03-04-2007, 09:49 PM
Thank you. I tried searching e-bay and got nothing. How about I-pod controll?

DejaWiz
03-05-2007, 11:24 AM
How about I-pod control?

You'll need the adapter (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6907.html).

chevy_man
03-05-2007, 04:54 PM
:ban:

I'm with this guy. :word:

wavdj
03-06-2007, 08:39 AM
is it possible with the pioneer 880 to control the pioneer INNO (for XM RADIO) ? (or other kind of portable xm radio)

jeffs42885
03-06-2007, 08:44 AM
i doubt it, unless they make a cable that lets you plug the inno into the ipbus