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springy101
02-19-2007, 08:19 PM
well now that my car audio system is done i am focusing more on home audio. i want to build my own 5.1 system and i already have a sub and box, and plan on using small dayton sattelites for the rears and a dayton center. so that just leaves the fronts. i was thinking of making 3 way bookshelves and putting them on stands, using these components:

tang band neo sub 5 1/4"
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-831

tang band neo tweeter 1"
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-834

3 way crossover
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=260-152

im still looking for mids that will fit well with these and any suggestions on other drivers are welcome. and im also thinking about building floor standing speakers with 2 subs and mids and 1 tweet, but dont know if the excess cost would be warrent much better sound.

1loudsuv
02-19-2007, 08:22 PM
saying the tang band is a subwoofer your probably gonna need a mid bass driver i say something along the line of a 5 1/4

**edit i just read your looking for some let me find you a link to some**

1loudsuv
02-19-2007, 08:23 PM
http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?exact_match=yes&product=SEE&cart_id=2596657.1883

JimJ
02-19-2007, 08:23 PM
Keep it simple for your first project.

Avoid those pre-built crossovers like the plague, and go with a simple published design that's been proven to work already.

http://www.zaphaudio.com has a bunch.

springy101
02-19-2007, 08:23 PM
saying the tang band is a subwoofer your probably gonna need a mid bass driver i say something along the line of a 5 1/4

**edit i just read your looking for some let me find you a link to some**

ya im still lookin around, mostly at 3" dome mids

Rich B
02-19-2007, 08:31 PM
Your front channels need to match the center channel as much as possible (same drivers, same crossover points) so the front stage is seamless during the many sonic pans in movies.

Ideally all the channels should be identical, but the front soundstage is the most important.

springy101
02-19-2007, 08:33 PM
Keep it simple for your first project.

Avoid those pre-built crossovers like the plague, and go with a simple published design that's been proven to work already.

http://www.zaphaudio.com has a bunch.
i dont have a clue how to build crossovers, not a clue.

springy101
02-19-2007, 08:34 PM
Your front channels need to match the center channel as much as possible (same drivers, same crossover points) so the front stage is seamless during the many sonic pans in movies.

Ideally all the channels should be identical, but the front soundstage is the most important.
ok, so my center should ideally be made of the same mids/tweets as my other fronts?

JimJ
02-19-2007, 08:35 PM
i dont have a clue how to build crossovers, not a clue.

If you already have a schematic, it's easy to follow...knowing how to solder is about the hardest part :)

tEh koRnDog
02-19-2007, 08:37 PM
If you already have a schematic, it's easy to follow...knowing how to solder is about the hardest part :)

where can ya get a schematic

JimJ
02-19-2007, 08:38 PM
That's why you use a published design :)

springy101
02-19-2007, 08:38 PM
http://www.zaphaudio.com/BAMTM.html

hmmm, this looks pretty simple

so its made from these 3 things?

cabinet
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=302-750&ctab=4#Tabs

aluminum woofers
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=295-335

tweeter
http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?pid=1005

Rich B
02-19-2007, 08:41 PM
ok, so my center should ideally be made of the same mids/tweets as my other fronts?


Yes.

In HT the center channel is the most important, it carries the dialog as well as pan effects from one side to the other.

When the center doesnt match the fronts the image tends to sharply jump as the sound follows the action onscreen.

j3bus2k3
02-19-2007, 08:43 PM
I have a design on my comp from B&WEE using a 6" dayton mid and a TangBand tweeter that I'll let you have...

Its a 2-way monitor but should be pretty good for HT...

tEh koRnDog
02-19-2007, 08:44 PM
I have a design on my comp from B&WEE using a 6" dayton mid and a TangBand tweeter that I'll let you have...

Its a 2-way monitor but should be pretty good for HT...

if its possible...

could i get that to?

domeski
02-19-2007, 08:48 PM
me too maybe?

j3bus2k3
02-19-2007, 08:50 PM
I'll just post it here...

Mids: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-362
Tweets:http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-822
Enclosure: .5-.6ft^3
Port: 2" Flared 7" long IIRC

(only reason I went with those tweets was because I was sent them by mistake and was able to keep them for free, so I figured, why not use 'em?)

Crossover:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/j3bus2k3/crossover6lw-1.jpg

Just send that image to a parts express tech rep and they'll give you the parts...

springy101
02-19-2007, 08:53 PM
Yes.

In HT the center channel is the most important, it carries the dialog as well as pan effects from one side to the other.

When the center doesnt match the fronts the image tends to sharply jump as the sound follows the action onscreen.well the plan i got from that zaph audio site uses 7" mids, isnt that too big for a center channel?

Fast1one
02-19-2007, 08:59 PM
Dont know what your view on full range is, but you can try this project...

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90212

Ill be building mine sometime this week if you want to read my take on them...you can always add a helper tweeter pretty easily...very affordable and simple :)

O and Springy, that 7 inch mid wont be a bad thing for the center, after all, they have to carry a lot of voices throughout the movie experience...center channel has an important role...

tEh koRnDog
02-19-2007, 09:02 PM
what would you reccomend putting in the center and 2 fronts...like 2 mids and a tweeter. or one mid and a tweeter

JimJ
02-19-2007, 09:42 PM
Dont know what your view on full range is, but you can try this project...

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90212

Ill be building mine sometime this week if you want to read my take on them...you can always add a helper tweeter pretty easily...very affordable and simple :)

O and Springy, that 7 inch mid wont be a bad thing for the center, after all, they have to carry a lot of voices throughout the movie experience...center channel has an important role...

What, no BiB's?

...wuss :D

springy101
02-19-2007, 10:07 PM
Dont know what your view on full range is, but you can try this project...

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90212

Ill be building mine sometime this week if you want to read my take on them...you can always add a helper tweeter pretty easily...very affordable and simple :)

O and Springy, that 7 inch mid wont be a bad thing for the center, after all, they have to carry a lot of voices throughout the movie experience...center channel has an important role...so basically i could use that setup i posted earlier from zaph audio, and just build 3 of them and put two on stands and put one its side and use it as a center channel?

Fast1one
02-20-2007, 12:29 AM
so basically i could use that setup i posted earlier from zaph audio, and just build 3 of them and put two on stands and put one its side and use it as a center channel?I wouldnt put the center on its side as the bass would suffer per that thread...you could simply put two on there sides and mount a board between them. They need either a flat surface below them or a flat board for decent bass response...

JimJ...Judging by the thread title "bookshelf" speakers, I didnt think he would want a couple of floor standers...

But if you do...http://www.zillaspeak.com/bib.asp Take a good look at that site. Great sounding FR with bass extension down to the 30s in some cases...I have yet to try one but im too broke right now :D Plus I dont have the room...No wuss here :p

BTW you would also need a sub for HT use...im guessing the Auras would dip to around 80 HZ which is where a sub can take over...

Ahhh one more thing...if I were you i would commit to one thing instead of mixing and matching...For HT its best to have the same speakers or similar response for the best results. Either commit to the Zaph audio and make 5, or commit to the Auras...

springy101
02-20-2007, 03:41 AM
I wouldnt put the center on its side as the bass would suffer per that thread...you could simply put two on there sides and mount a board between them. They need either a flat surface below them or a flat board for decent bass response...

JimJ...Judging by the thread title "bookshelf" speakers, I didnt think he would want a couple of floor standers...

But if you do...http://www.zillaspeak.com/bib.asp Take a good look at that site. Great sounding FR with bass extension down to the 30s in some cases...I have yet to try one but im too broke right now :D Plus I dont have the room...No wuss here :p

BTW you would also need a sub for HT use...im guessing the Auras would dip to around 80 HZ which is where a sub can take over...

Ahhh one more thing...if I were you i would commit to one thing instead of mixing and matching...For HT its best to have the same speakers or similar response for the best results. Either commit to the Zaph audio and make 5, or commit to the Auras...

ok, so for rears could i just use 1 mid and 1 tweet to save money and space or would it be best to use the mtm design for all 5 speakers? and yes i have a sub, 15" tempest in a 7 cube boxed tuned to 19 hz. and im not sure im reading what you said about center channel speakers right, you're saying that i should build 2 mtm cabinets and have them next to each other sharing a long board underneath?

springy101
02-20-2007, 04:22 AM
and also, if i decided to go with this setup http://www.zaphaudio.com/BAMTM.html and built my own enclosure, do you think i could get away with 1/2" thick walls or is 3/4" a must?

JimJ
02-20-2007, 09:34 AM
1/2" MDF with internal bracing would be fine.

Fast1one
02-20-2007, 03:22 PM
ok, so for rears could i just use 1 mid and 1 tweet to save money and space or would it be best to use the mtm design for all 5 speakers? and yes i have a sub, 15" tempest in a 7 cube boxed tuned to 19 hz. and im not sure im reading what you said about center channel speakers right, you're saying that i should build 2 mtm cabinets and have them next to each other sharing a long board underneath?No that was reffering to the Delsol speakers...just build three of the mtm cabinets for your center and two fronts...if you want you can build two more for the surrounds, or as you said, remove one of the woofers (however that may require a change in the crossover network)

Hope this helps :)

springy101
02-20-2007, 10:55 PM
thanks for all the help guys, one more question

on all those crossover schematics, it shows lines connecting all the components. what are those lines? wire, or is it something built onto the crossover boards? also i have my receiver's down to these two

onkyo
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-BaE5MLhhewV/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=10420&I=580TXS604S

pioneer
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=250-530

im leaning towards the pioneer cuz of the extra 20 watts per channel

JimJ
02-21-2007, 12:58 AM
I use stranded hookup wire to connect components...you can etch traces in circuit boards, but for prototyping crossovers it's not worth it.

I wouldn't decide between those based on power ratings. Doubtful you'll hear an extra 20 watts anyway, and those ratings are probably somewhat inflated to begin with.

Fast1one
02-21-2007, 10:24 AM
Onkyo isnt a bad starter brand...I would go with that over the pioneer...you dont NEED that much power...

O and Jim, stay tuned for some BIBs on my part. I decided screw it, im going for it :D