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Beerdrnkr
02-13-2007, 01:03 PM
Sorry it's a lot of questions. I currently have rainbow germamium components installed in my doors and they sound great and they're loud and I haven't even deadened my doors or baffled them yet. However I want louder but can't really afford louder speakers. I was wondering if I had some kick panels installed and put in some speakers (4", 5.25", or 6.5" depending if rainbow germaniums come in these other sizes) if it would make a considerable difference? I wouldn't want to use the speakers in the door as midbass only. Would I be able to run the new speakers as well as the components off the same crossover? If I were to buy a seperate amp for strictly the new speakers in the kick panels and my rear fill would that be ok or would they need a crossover? My last question is if just the 2 germanium speakers are too expensive I would probably want a set of SLC speakers to throw in the kick panels, would that sound funny because they don't match the sound of the Germaniums? Thanks in advance.

mastergunsx15
02-13-2007, 01:16 PM
i would say if you are looking to get louder, deaden your doors and baffle them and then move from there. you may realize that the germs are all you need once you do those things. alot of people here dont use rear fill and just get a good set of components with a nice, powerful amp. try that and let everybody know how it sounds for you.

mike dressure
02-13-2007, 01:19 PM
sound deadening will make a large difference

Beerdrnkr
02-13-2007, 01:35 PM
Yeah, I guess I'll do that first before I go spending a ton of money on other things. I just have a feeling that I'm gonna want it louder anyway. Just out of curiousity would a 4" SLC in kick panels ruin the sound or would it not make a difference in sound quality and just add to the volume. By the way I already have rear fill cuz I usually have people in the back seats. Thanks for the advice guys.

JimJ
02-13-2007, 01:48 PM
Why buy speakers like Germaniums only to **** the soundstage by adding more speakers?

Install them properly, and if they still aren't loud enough for you, you might want to look into horns...

LoudCrownVic
02-13-2007, 02:51 PM
Yeah, I guess I'll do that first before I go spending a ton of money on other things. I just have a feeling that I'm gonna want it louder anyway. Just out of curiousity would a 4" SLC in kick panels ruin the sound or would it not make a difference in sound quality and just add to the volume. By the way I already have rear fill cuz I usually have people in the back seats. Thanks for the advice guys.

HAHA! I would hope they weren't in the backseat of your ranger.

Beerdrnkr
02-13-2007, 03:13 PM
lol...I got rid of my Ranger about 8 months ago. I got a 2006 suzuki grand vitara now. So once I get my germs baffled and matted if I think they're still not loud enough, is there pretty much no other option than to upgrade the components or maybe the amp (the amp I'll upgrade for sure later).

headless
02-13-2007, 03:28 PM
What amp are you using to push the Germaniums? They get pretty loud on 100watts/side and they are painfully loud @ 200+w/side. You sure you're not just getting deafened by them? :)

Beerdrnkr
02-13-2007, 03:31 PM
NO LAUGHING! I got a Power Acoustik A520-2HP. STOP LAUGHING!

headless
02-13-2007, 03:32 PM
haha. Buy a new amp, then try again. 75w per side is rather anemic for those germs. I was unhappy with mine @ 4x75, 2x130 and am now joyfully happy @ 2x320. Midbass performance in particular really enjoys having excess power on tap. I've seen my 4150xxk pulling in excess of 50 amps pushing just my germs :D I'd estimate that's maybe 200w/side on the output side though i'm not sure on the efficiency #'s.

Beerdrnkr
02-13-2007, 03:59 PM
Any amp reccomendations for about $200?

headless
02-13-2007, 04:11 PM
Why spend 500$ on a set of speakers and then give them the shaft by powering them with a ****** amp? :D

Suggestions, cheapest on top per category:
Arc Audio:
2100XXK - http://www.arcaudio.com/arc-05/amplifiers/xxk_2100.htm
4050XKK - http://www.arcaudio.com/arc-05/amplifiers/xxk_4050.htm
2500XXK - http://www.arcaudio.com/arc-05/amplifiers/xxk_2500.htm
4150XXK - http://www.arcaudio.com/arc-05/amplifiers/xxk_4150.htm

JL:
300/2 - http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=253
300/4 - http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=254
450/4 - http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=255

Eclipse:
XA2000 - http://www.eclipse-web.com/amp/xa2000.html
XA4000 - http://www.eclipse-web.com/amp/xa4000.html

Zapco:
Ref 350.2 - http://www.zapco.com/prod/ref_prods/3502Frame.htm
Ref 360.4 - http://www.zapco.com/prod/ref_prods/3604Frame.htm

3.5Max6spd
02-13-2007, 04:13 PM
Certainly a nice baffle, and mass load those doors. Rid of some door panel resonances. By doing this you will be able to play louder, and more controlled with the power you got now. Then decide if power is the next step, but certainly dont leave deadning last.

Deadning goes a long way, they should go hand in hand with aftermarket amplified speakers.

headless
02-13-2007, 05:03 PM
I wish deadening wasn't so ****ing expensive :( And could be moved from car to car. Such a ***** of an investment to make, 300$ on deadening only to sell the ****ing car off and never recover that $$$. Only to have to spend the 300$ again on the next car :(
One of these days, i'm going to do it anyway.

3.5Max6spd
02-13-2007, 05:55 PM
I wish deadening wasn't so ****ing expensive :( And could be moved from car to car. Such a ***** of an investment to make, 300$ on deadening only to sell the ****ing car off and never recover that $$$. Only to have to spend the 300$ again on the next car :(
One of these days, i'm going to do it anyway.

$300?

When it comes to deadning ...

Some > None

To make 2 rings out of MDF, deaden the area of the speaker/baffle and add some clay can be done way under $50 for both doors if ridding of the car is an issue. A bigger disservice is not to provide a $500 set of speakers at least that much TLC.

headless
02-13-2007, 05:59 PM
Tis true. I feel guilty all over again (this is a daily experience, every time there's a wide bass sweep and my doors rattle like a ****ing baby toy :D)

Beerdrnkr
02-14-2007, 05:29 AM
Isn't there any other decent amps for a little less? JL's and Zapco's are a little too pricey for me, I spent all my money on the germs.

headless
02-14-2007, 08:53 AM
Maybe someone else can chime in. I've only got experience with a few amps - my last purchase was an Eclipse EA3422 that was ~230$ new. I'd have a hard time recommending it since i replaced it because i wanted more power ;) It was a very clean amp though :) Got the germs kickin'....just not loud enough for my tastes.

acold7dusta
02-14-2007, 09:00 AM
kicker 650.4 or 850.4... those will be certainly enough power. my dad got his kx850.4 on ebay for 230 brand new (previous year model) so anythings possible

the 850.4 is rated at 175 x 4 and like 325 x 2 bridged but tests out even higher, good luck

Beerdrnkr
02-14-2007, 02:57 PM
What do you guys recommend for sealing my doors that's also cheap? In my old truck I spent over $600 dynamating it and I felt like I should have been able to do it for a lot cheaper.

JimJ
02-14-2007, 03:01 PM
I used Lexan sheets that I cut to fit, then epoxied to the door panel...deadened over that. Makes it as airtight as it's going to get.

If you used Dynamat, then yeah, you could have done it for a lot cheaper :) RAAMmat is a better value...

Beerdrnkr
02-14-2007, 03:28 PM
Do you have a link to their website and how does it apply?