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rain377
01-23-2003, 09:03 PM
would it be louder to have 1 12" jl audio W7 between 2 13W7's? or would it be louder to have 1 13W7 between 2 12W7's? all on the same box with rated power. box seperated between chambers of each sub. ported box. yada yada yada

nswartley
01-23-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by rain377
would it be louder to have 1 12" jl audio W7 between 2 13W7's? or would it be louder to have 1 13W7 between 2 12W7's? all on the same box with rated power. box seperated between chambers of each sub. ported box. yada yada yada

it would be louder to spend half of that and get even louder with the adire brahma :D

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:06 PM
but price isnt the issue i've heard and like the JL W7 line i've been extremely impressed by them plus i'm going with all JL audio (subs and amps)

paikiah
01-23-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by rain377
but price isnt the issue i've heard and like the JL W7 line i've been extremely impressed by them plus i'm going with all JL audio (subs and amps)

Why don't you get three of the same, instead of trying to mix two different sub sizes? Or are you aiming for a wicked design?

Bumpin03
01-23-2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by nswartley
it would be louder to spend half of that and get even louder with the adire brahma :D


dont listen to him!! haha. there would be no point in getting a 13 and a 12. If you were going to do anything....get 2 13's on the outside and get that new 8w7 for midbass. Id die to have that setup.

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:11 PM
well i want 3 subs in the back. This is going int the back of a '98 dakota where the rear wall used to be. i like the look and sound of the W7's and already have a full component set with kick panel so i have the tight crisp mid bass. this is just for the "bump". i was thinking of just going with 3-13W7's. sound decent?

jer_stud56
01-23-2003, 09:16 PM
12w7's and 13w7's arent much the same..except for the 1 inch difference..making the 13w7's having a 3 inch air movement advandage all together if you go with 3, but it money is no issue sure go for it...or send some of that money my way man ill gladly use it for ya :D

evo2k3
01-23-2003, 09:17 PM
dont mix....secondly, you say money is no object, but understand what your getting into....
3 13w7's.....1.5-3 grand (dependant on where you buy from)
3000 watts of rms power ......3 grand
most likely a new alternator, second battery, caps (probably something like a 15 farad one) ect...theres a lot of cost that i dont know if you have thought about yet....if you got the money go for it, 3 13 w7's is ****ing wicked...i wish i could afford more than my one 12w7! :) There are new 8 w7's comeing out that will be badd ***, but dont combine them, you wont even hear it....you want mid bass drivers up front if anywhere. ps.....jl's project car only has 2 13 w7's.....it would probably be enough, but if you got the money and want that setup, i say go for it.

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:17 PM
or should i just bump thw whole JL audio desing and go for 3-15" XXX? i've heard many wonderful things about those.

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:20 PM
i already have a new alternator and a second alternator od the same size. i think 220 amps. i have all the install equip. batteries, caps etc. the only thing i still need are the subs and amps and my system will be ready for install.

jer_stud56
01-23-2003, 09:24 PM
3 15 XXX? :crazy: you will be bumpin' :cool:

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:25 PM
but what setup would have better spl? and which one would have better sq?

Randy Savage
01-23-2003, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by jer_stud56
3 15 XXX? :crazy: you will be bumpin' :cool: He will also be deaf. Buy 3 XXX's, put in 2, and send one this way;)

Randy Savage
01-23-2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by rain377
but what setup would have better spl? and which one would have better sq? The XXX's would absolutely rape the JL's. The Jl's will be better in SQ, but the XXX's still have decent SQ. Brahmas have good SQ too...

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:27 PM
i wont send any your way but if you want i'll let you see the setup when it's finished.

Randy Savage
01-23-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by rain377
i wont send any your way but if you want i'll let you see the setup when it's finished. Lol, I was kidding about that man, but you can't go wrong with XXX's;)

nswartley
01-23-2003, 09:29 PM
adire brahma....maybe 3 12"ers. 369 each....very close to the W7 in SQ but it has an edge in SPL....but for half the price you cant beat it.

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:29 PM
ok one more question. is it safe to hit down around the 15 htz range? that is about the range i'm going for if its safe to do so. i dont want to damage my speakers (expensive sons of *****es) but i love that ultra low bass. if it is safe how would i build a box to do it?

Randy Savage
01-23-2003, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by nswartley
adire brahma....maybe 3 12"ers. 369 each....very close to the W7 in SQ but it has an edge in SPL....but for half the price you cant beat it. Yes, Brahma's would be sweet too.

nswartley
01-23-2003, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by rain377
ok one more question. is it safe to hit down around the 15 htz range? that is about the range i'm going for if its safe to do so. i dont want to damage my speakers (expensive sons of *****es) but i love that ultra low bass. if it is safe how would i build a box to do it?

i think that an amp with a subsonic filter might block that out...but i still say go brahma! and if money is no problem....3 JL 1000/1s :D

paikiah
01-23-2003, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by rain377
ok one more question. is it safe to hit down around the 15 htz range? that is about the range i'm going for if its safe to do so. i dont want to damage my speakers (expensive sons of *****es) but i love that ultra low bass. if it is safe how would i build a box to do it?

15Hz????? Can humans hear 15Hz?? If you can, You'd probably rip your eardrums, with a modest volume... Geez, calm down Sylvester...:D

Hmm, aren't 2 15" enough? I mean, 3...wow... you'd have a darn hard time fitting in the enclosure too:confused:

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:32 PM
well as you all probably know the new jl 1200.1 dont have s ubsonic filter but if that low of a frequency would damage my speakers i can pick up and inline subsonic filter.

paikiah
01-23-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by nswartley
i think that an amp with a subsonic filter might block that out...but i still say go brahma! and if money is no problem....3 JL 1000/1s :D

I belive he WANTS to hit 15Hz.....:eek:

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:34 PM
what i'm doing for the enclosure is i have the bottom of my back wall in my truck cutout. i will be building the bow into the bed and having the speakers mounted where the back wall used to be right under the plexiglass window.

Bumpin03
01-23-2003, 09:34 PM
why go with such expensive subs and then such a cheap amp???????

paikiah
01-23-2003, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by rain377
what i'm doing for the enclosure is i have the bottom of my back wall in my truck cutout. i will be building the bow into the bed and having the speakers mounted where the back wall used to be right under the plexiglass window.

Sounds really awesome... have you done installs with plexi before?


Hey, why not get a Zapco amp? A c90 or maybe the 4KW...now, THAT'd be awesome...

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:37 PM
what amp would you recommend then? i want crisp clean power. i'm going a lot for SPL but mainly for SQ.

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:39 PM
the box wont have any plexi just the windown on my truck will be all plexi to decrease the odd of me blowing them out. i'm thinking 1" mdf with a fiberglass front.

paikiah
01-23-2003, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by rain377
what amp would you recommend then? i want crisp clean power. i'm going a lot for SPL but mainly for SQ.

Orion HCCA's sound good... they can drop to 0.5ohm too...

Erm, PPI amps look just wicked...arc...McIntosh...hmm, that's about all I know, dont' know much, sorry...

Zapco has Symbilink balanced line outs...I believe you might get the SQ you're looking for...am I wrong, guys?

paikiah
01-23-2003, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by rain377
the box wont have any plexi just the windown on my truck will be all plexi to decrease the odd of me blowing them out. i'm thinking 1" mdf with a fiberglass front.

Well, with all that pressure inside the box, I can only hope that you tighten the 6937 screws as tight as you can...

rain377
01-23-2003, 09:43 PM
i wont be building the box or installing it into the wall myself i dont know enough about enclosures to do all that. it will be a pro job.

evo2k3
01-23-2003, 11:17 PM
no doubt the xxx will beat the w7's in spl, but sq they will be no where close (although the xxx is not BAD in quality at all, the w7 was made that well). I personally am not a brahma fan, good subs, but i think the w7 has the edde in sq again and almost identical in spl. Those XXX's need more power too. I would say if your going for quality go jl, loudness XXX. As for amps, dont use those jbls with sub awesome subs. Someong suggested the JL 1000x1...i would add Xtant's 1000x1 (amazing amp) and PPI's 1000x1, all great amps, whatever you buy, generally you pay a buck per watt for a quality amp (very general rule of thumb). I am still going to suggest that you downgrade to 2 subs, but thats just me. As for the 15 hz question, the human audiable range is 20hz - 20khz...although some people can hear a little below and above. Changes are you wont hear that at all, but you will feel it like mad :) thats what being a bass thug is all about right?

paikiah
01-24-2003, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by rain377
i wont be building the box or installing it into the wall myself i dont know enough about enclosures to do all that. it will be a pro job.

Ah, talking about FEELING the bass, I'd get myself a pair of aura bass-shaker pro with some cheap amps, since I dotn' they need need anything SQ... never erally felt them, but if it's the shake that you want, well, there's your answer...:)

rain377
01-25-2003, 12:22 AM
thats exactly what being a bass thug is about and i am a hardcore bass thug straight out the ghettos of detroit
(suburbs actually but close enough)

awalbert88
02-06-2003, 01:59 AM
You won't hit 15hz at any decent SPL in a car/truck/suv. Not with any of the subs you're looking at, anyway. Even if you carefully tuned a ported box to hit as low as possible, I just don't see it being able to work without completely compromising sound quality.

Now, if you're really crazy, here's what you can do to hit 130-140db at 15hz. But I warn you, it won't work in your truck. An SUV or a large van with the back seats taken out might be enough room.. Head over to www.svsubwoofers.com and get one of their B4-Plus subs (not sure if they have the order page setup yet or not, might have to call/e-mail) and then get an Orion XtrPro2400 to power it. The B4-Plus is a home theater sub that has some very impressive output throughout the range. It can take up to 5000W, but there's really no need for that much. This should easily satisfy your need for loud, deep bass, unless you're looking for an SPL monster (150db+), in which case SQ is going to be compromised greatly.

crakerhead
02-06-2003, 04:28 PM
i say you just wait for the new kicker solox 18" to come out and get orion 2400 watt amp. or 2.