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bholtmeier
02-02-2007, 07:39 PM
Well, all the wood has been cut out for my new sub box. Box is for a 15" Q, 3.3cf tuned to 31hz with 53 sq inches of port. Me and my buddy, matt_martin87, will begin the box build tomorrow at 3pm, hopefully will be done tomorrow night. The pics i have now are done by a camera phone but the one's we do starting tomorrow will all be taken on a Canon. I still have to cut the angles on the certain pieces but will be doing that tonight. Design was done by PowerNAudio. Thanks bro.

Heres some starter pics of the wood. As i take pics, i will update the thread. Enjoy!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/forassemblypurposes-1-1.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/img3.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/img2.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/img1.jpg

ThomasG
02-02-2007, 07:44 PM
**** that looks challenging.. Pretty sweet though

PowerNaudio
02-02-2007, 07:46 PM
looks like a good start.
dont hesitate to hit me up on aim if you need help on any aspect of the build.
take your time on the cuts.
have fun.
laters

jeeper07
02-02-2007, 07:48 PM
that looks hella hard. how many boxes have u built before?

bholtmeier
02-02-2007, 07:50 PM
that looks hella hard. how many boxes have u built before?

Me and Matt have made about 15 boxes, all being a square shape though. Nothing of this nature. We have a good idea of how to make it though. Should be a breeze.

jeeper07
02-02-2007, 08:03 PM
Me and Matt have made about 15 boxes, all being a square shape though. Nothing of this nature. We have a good idea of how to make it though. Should be a breeze.

Famous last words

JohnBlayz142
02-02-2007, 08:30 PM
****, update us with finished pics!

RollinGTO
02-02-2007, 09:05 PM
*update* now!!!! looks like a pain in the *** to build, wonder how it sounds.

Chevyaudio
02-02-2007, 09:08 PM
That box is going to act all kinds of funky.

smd4life
02-02-2007, 09:11 PM
those funky camaro's....

60ndown
02-02-2007, 09:13 PM
whats it goin in? easy build

bholtmeier
02-02-2007, 11:37 PM
That box is going to act all kinds of funky.
What do you mean funky?

whats it goin in? easy build
Should be a fairly easy build, but its hard tellin until we actually start.
And as mentioned earlier, it's going into a 95 Camaro.

baseballer1100
02-03-2007, 12:12 AM
Interesting.

mikey060
02-03-2007, 12:18 AM
What do you mean funky?

Should be a fairly easy build, but its hard tellin until we actually start.
And as mentioned earlier, it's going into a 95 Camaro.

im gonna assume non convertible..lol you could do a box stright up and down as wide as the bottom of your box...i <3 those cars though, that year especially.

look forward to finished pics:)

nismos14
02-03-2007, 12:25 AM
Nice can't wait fa some pics.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 12:29 AM
How in the hell can you predict the performance of that? The light blue panel there makes some sort of chamber where you're going to get the most beautiful turbulence imaginable. What the the point of that light blue panel?

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 12:37 AM
How in the hell can you predict the performance of that? The light blue panel there makes some sort of chamber where you're going to get the most beautiful turbulence imaginable. What the the point of that light blue panel?

Yeah...that box is going to act all kinds of weird


Air flow in that thing is going to be a b1tch

ultimate157
02-03-2007, 12:38 AM
How in the hell can you predict the performance of that? The light blue panel there makes some sort of chamber where you're going to get the most beautiful turbulence imaginable. What the the point of that light blue panel?

My guess is to lengthen the port for tuning.

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 12:43 AM
Cause the Air in the box has eyes, and is going to know, not to exit the port before going down into that chamber...

Pyro_By_Nature
02-03-2007, 12:44 AM
How in the hell can you predict the performance of that? The light blue panel there makes some sort of chamber where you're going to get the most beautiful turbulence imaginable. What the the point of that light blue panel?

From the looks, to lengthen the port.

:laugh: At the design

tommyk90
02-03-2007, 12:45 AM
This box makes baby jesus cry.

Please, for the love of god, burn that box and lets never speak of it again.

I am actually pissed that you paid somebody for that design.

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 12:45 AM
Sacrafice it to the ****** box gods.

baseballer1100
02-03-2007, 12:47 AM
This box makes baby jesus cry.

Please, for the love of god, burn that box and lets never speak of it again.

This for some reason reminds me of the sandlot. When the kid is talking about the hat... lol

lilmaniac2
02-03-2007, 12:50 AM
Sacrafice it to the ****** box gods.

so send it to you???


horrrible horrible box design.. whoever did it doesnt understand how air flows lol

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 12:50 AM
i wanna see this made, all those angles are gonna ****

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 12:52 AM
why is bmxbikes going crazy?

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 12:53 AM
Chad Hicks is a Meany...


Anyway, yeah send that box to me, Ill set it next to the old BTL box

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 12:54 AM
BMX is a cruel man...

I believe there is an AIM chat behind his cruelty

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 12:54 AM
The BTL was a failure...


it /itself

crazy4ozs
02-03-2007, 01:00 AM
wtf dude...u just wasted 10 mins of my life...

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 01:02 AM
well that just completely ruined that thread

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 01:06 AM
Posting teh Chatz

ThomasG
02-03-2007, 01:06 AM
ok....

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 01:11 AM
poor box build thread.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:12 AM
What the ****? And i had PowerNAudio design this for me. I had nothing to do with the design with the air flow or whatever, i questioned it myself, But he seemed to think it was going to be good. And also, the port ratio is like 1 to 18, but he said that wouldn't matter.

So i'm going to be pissed if this doesn't work. And i dont know what the point is of the light blue piece. PV audio, i pm'ed you about desiging one for me but you didn't hit me back.

And bmxbikes why don't you **** on someone else's thread. Can a mod delete this moron's posts?

lilmaniac2
02-03-2007, 01:16 AM
Lawl this thread is greatness...

that box is a waste.. that guy needa give you 20 bucks to buy you a new sheet of wood

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 01:17 AM
Im gonna have to agree with Mr. hicks.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:17 AM
Yeah well the reason i paid someone to do it is cause i don't understand how air flows, i actually am pretty stupid about it and i questioned it alot. But he seemed like he knew what he was doing? I thought he was a reputable guy, do you guys know him? I've went through so much trouble for this box now my thread gets **** on by an idiot and yall say its ****.

Great!

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 01:19 AM
as am i ... i called it from the begninning

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:21 AM
Yeah i need a mod to seriously delete all them posts. Thats ridiculous.

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 01:23 AM
Honestly start a new thread. that was liek 100 posts. just make a new thread

lilmaniac2
02-03-2007, 01:30 AM
might as well finish it now

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:31 AM
If i don't get my money back i'm going to be pist. This is ridiculous...I'm still going to make it though i mean i have everntyhing there. I'll let u guys know how it goes in another thread.

baseballer1100
02-03-2007, 01:31 AM
What the hell just happend?

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:32 AM
A moron just **** on my thread, and i got extremely pissed once i arrived home and got on my computer. Thats what happened..

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 01:32 AM
might as well finish it now

or that haha.

To the thread starter. honestly ask for what ever money you paid to design the box and 20 for the waste of wood. Thats not even taking into consideration the time you spent making those cuts. I guess since its all ready u could still build it but i dont see a point that box is crazy!

Pyro_By_Nature
02-03-2007, 01:33 AM
PM me with kind of space you have to work with.I'll see if I can help you out.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:33 AM
Yeah, actually i spent 20 on the design, and like 50 on the wood because i had to get 2 4x8's. Not to mention all the time, the supplies, everything. what a joke.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:34 AM
PM me with kind of space you have to work with.I'll see if I can help you out.

The space i have to work with is that box right up there. You'd just have to change the port.

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 01:34 AM
HE CHARGED YOU 20 FOR A DESIGN???? holy crap i charge like 4.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:35 AM
THis one isn't a normal design. I can make a normal rectangular design easy.

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 01:38 AM
THis one isn't a normal design. I can make a normal rectangular design easy.

Obviously the maker cant design a complex box either. get ur money back asap or at least make him change it to an acceptable, functional design

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:40 AM
fu<k it, i'd have to spend like another 100 bucks plus all that bullshit yet again. I'm just goin to make the box, see how it sounds, and if's ****, then so be it. ill make a new box.

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 01:40 AM
100 bucks?

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 01:41 AM
im not tryin to **** on your thread just tryin to help you out. Ask for a refond on the design at least man

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:41 AM
Ok an anger exageration. maybe more like 50. lawl

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 01:42 AM
50s alot too...Only thing I see that your out is a sheet of MDF.

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 01:42 AM
sheet of mdf and a design

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:42 AM
No the only person that is/was shitting on my thread was bmxbikes. Critisism is wonderful. That way i know who not to have to design a box and what not to do in the future.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:44 AM
Well, if i get my money that evens out. I have all the supplies, screws, glue, clamp caulk etc. The only thing i'd have to get is the wood, 25 or 50 bucks depending if it would fit on 1 4x8, 1 2x4 or even 2 4x8's..ah well.

lilmaniac2
02-03-2007, 01:46 AM
www.subwoofertools.com :)

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 01:48 AM
I know how to make a box, just finding space and using the box i have available and making the air flow right is what i was stumped by. Thats why i had someone design it for me. In all other boxes i did it myself.

matt_martin87
02-03-2007, 02:12 AM
Wow. I can't believe we got our hopes up for getting a 15 Q in there. I hope someone can help you with a design that will fit.

Very unfortunate.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 02:27 AM
Matt, it sounds like your quote by lil_kb is very similar to the outlook on my box.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 10:34 AM
wow this is just too funny. even though the enclosure may look like is out of the ordinary because it has a port that goes down in to the well of the vehicle and fires up next to the sub. it is not that strange of enclosure and allot of thought was put into the design of this particular enclosure to ensure my self that this enclosure was not going to be a failure like some of you have stated.

the only thing i had 2nd thoughts about while designing this enclosure, was the fact that the port was very wider then i would want it to be and didnt follow the conventional rules of thumb. but after lots of thought and looking into other designs and design criteria and different aspects of enclosure designing, i came to the conclusion that for this enclosure to be port noise free and for it to not be a restrictive element on this enclosure and still tune the enclosure properly it had to be this way and that for it being used in this manner the port will work and that the space available for the system in combination with the port was used with out sacrificing the eficiency and performance of the sub woofer.
if you feel the enclosure is going to sound like *** please explain why, and how you came up with this conclusion, i would really like to know how you figured that it would be and if you could talk to me and describe your point of view in further detail would be greatly appreciated.

there where allot of hours placed behind the design process of this enclosure, this wasn't something that i just put together to get $20 out of bholtmeier pocket, sure $20 may be more then most people are trying to fork out for an enclosure design, but when you put as many hours into a design to make sure it worked like i do, then you would too, charge this much and not $4 like some one had stated previously.

for those who dont know me, im not just a designer, im a very active enclosure builder that does this as a part time thing and do it well. my enclosures are sold mostly local and a few online when ever the local scene gets slow. so if you're wondering this is nether my first enclosure, if you look on my signature you'll find that i have a good amount of enclosures on there and you'll notice that only two of them enclosures are for my own personal vehicle. those are the ones for the pontiac fiero and a honda prolude, i have done way more enclosures then what i have ilustrated on that car domain page and put file, but i only started taking picture of my builds when i bought my first digital camera to show an online customer the progress of his enclosure, and i still forget to take pictures of some of the local builds because i get to into the build and just forget.

either way, i consider my self to be a very professional person to deal with. im not the most knowledgeable person on this forum and i dont pretend to be. but i hold my own have lots of years of experience have worked back to back with lisenced professionals and my knowledge on the enclosure design and build is very extent and i will continue to increase that knowledge as i continue to educate my self on this aspect on a day to day basis.

if you have any questions feel free to ask im here to help any one that needs a hand. for free. lol.
im on aim after 3:30pm central time. so hit me up on aim if you would like to that way.

lilmaniac2
02-03-2007, 10:44 AM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/lilmaniac2/wtf-1.jpg

saywhat?
02-03-2007, 10:56 AM
thats reDONKalous.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 11:48 AM
thats reDONKalous.

What part? I'm not going to say anything other than i'm going to make this enclosure. It's going to be nice, and if it sounds good, then maybe you guys were wrong. If it sounds like ***, well.....

Pv audio didn't seem to know what the light blue piece was for. I wonder what it would do if we took that out. Lol

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 11:51 AM
This box makes baby jesus cry.

Please, for the love of god, burn that box and lets never speak of it again.

I am actually pissed that you paid somebody for that design.

And your just mad because i'm not putting a type R in it:)

Just goin to make it before i accuse it of being a ****** design.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 11:59 AM
light blue piece= the begining of the port.

the W T F part the lilmaniac2 is pointing at is just part of the main chamber part of the air volume that the subwoofer sees.

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 12:01 PM
What part? I'm not going to say anything other than i'm going to make this enclosure. It's going to be nice, and if it sounds good, then maybe you guys were wrong. If it sounds like ***, well.....

Pv audio didn't seem to know what the light blue piece was for. I wonder what it would do if we took that out. Lol

sounding bad, and being a poorly designed box are sometimes 2 different things.

smd4life
02-03-2007, 12:04 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b276/lilmaniac2/wtf-1.jpg

the blue piece is the where the port starts....

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 12:05 PM
light blue piece= the begining of the port.

the W T F part the chevy is pointing at is just part of the main chamber part of the air volume that the subwoofer sees.

You mean lilmaniac

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 12:05 PM
the blue piece is the where the port starts....

I kinda realized that. But PV audio asked what it was so i figured it wasn't as obvious of a quesiton.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 12:09 PM
You mean lilmaniac

yeah my bad.


sounding bad, and being a poorly designed box are sometimes 2 different things.

so tell me jeeper07 wich one will it be a bad design that sounds good. a good design that sound bad. if it sounds good it was sure designed properly. if it sounds bad then ovously something whent wrong.

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 12:12 PM
yeah my bad.

so tell me jeeper07 wich one will it be a bad design that sounds good. a good design that sound bad. if it sounds good it was sure designed properly. if it sounds bad then ovously something whent wrong.

Well actually in my opinion a good design can sound horrid. A box tuned about 36 is ugly to me, but also port noise etc can make it sound like hell. On the contrary a poorly designed box can sound good, and just rob your sub of major output.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 12:18 PM
How about this. A well designed box and a well built box will sound good. A poorly designed box and a poorly built box will sound worse. Anyways, back to THIS box:p:

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 12:19 PM
Well actually in my opinion a good design can sound horrid. A box tuned about 36 is ugly to me, but also port noise etc can make it sound like hell. On the contrary a poorly designed box can sound good, and just rob your sub of major output.

an enclosure tuned at 36Hz will see a cabing gain and freq responce drop as well because of the cabing gain. lower freqs will increase and extends, port noise should not be visible on this enclosure thats the reason the port looks the way it does.
so what are you saying?

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 12:20 PM
I'll take pics and yall can judge if it sounds bad, where it went wrong. Design, or build. haha, this forum is awesome

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 12:21 PM
an enclosure tuned at 36Hz will see a cabing gain and freq responce drop as well because of the cabing gain. lower freqs will increase and extends, port noise should not be visible on this enclosure thats the reason the port looks the way it does.
so what are you saying?

The only reason i gave you money is cause you sounded like you knew what u were talkin about, so i trusted you. And now your able to back yourself and i still trust this box. Plus, your debating with a bunch of 16-19 year olds for the most part anyways.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 12:25 PM
im really not debating on this thread. just trying to help them understand the enclosure. nothing more nothing less.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 12:34 PM
Thanks DB.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 02:28 PM
The light blue piece is the problem. The speaker will NOT realize that it's part of the Vb. It's acting like a separate chamber since the driver will think that when it narrows after the main chamber, the port will begin. The air is going to flow into the chamber made by the light blue piece, and not go out the port as planned. Not a very efficient design at all, whether or not it sounds good. And I still don't see how you can predict its performance.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 02:30 PM
How in the hell can you predict the performance of that? The light blue panel there makes some sort of chamber where you're going to get the most beautiful turbulence imaginable. What the the point of that light blue panel?

Would you be able to design it better? I sent you a PM awhile back, and you never got me back! You coulda got the 20 bucks

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 02:31 PM
The light blue piece is the problem. The speaker will NOT realize that it's part of the Vb. It's acting like a separate chamber since the driver will think that when it narrows after the main chamber, the port will begin. The air is going to flow into the chamber made by the light blue piece, and not go out the port as planned. Not a very efficient design at all, whether or not it sounds good. And I still don't see how you can predict its performance.

Ok, if that is the problem? what would you do to fix it? i'm not saying your wrong cuz i know **** about it. Just tryin to figure if i can make any last minute modifications.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 02:45 PM
Ok, if that is the problem? what would you do to fix it? i'm not saying your wrong cuz i know **** about it. Just tryin to figure if i can make any last minute modifications.

What would I have done to fix it? To be honest, I know very little about camaros apart from they're easily the in the top 3 vehicles to get a decent system in. For that reason, I would have gone sealed. You cannot possibly know what the speaker is going to do with that many angles, let alone 2 chambers. The only last minute mod I would do would be to remove the light blue piece altogether. And I apologize that I never got back to you, I didn't have home internet access for about two weeks. Don't worry, you're not the only one. :)

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 02:48 PM
What would I have done to fix it? To be honest, I know very little about camaros apart from they're easily the in the top 3 vehicles to get a decent system in. For that reason, I would have gone sealed. You cannot possibly know what the speaker is going to do with that many angles, let alone 2 chambers. The only last minute mod I would do would be to remove the light blue piece altogether. And I apologize that I never got back to you, I didn't have home internet access for about two weeks. Don't worry, you're not the only one. :)

If i removed the blue piece wouldn't i throw the tuning and everything off completely?

Oh and there's no way i would be happy with a sealed box.

And i don't think they are in the top 3 vehicles, thats kind of a stretch. But they get loud pretty easily. If i had more space back there, where i could just make a huge *** square box it'd be freakin awesome.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 02:53 PM
Hector, would you say removing that blue piece would improve the effieciency/performance of this box? Or would that throw everything off.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 02:55 PM
If i removed the blue piece wouldn't i throw the tuning and everything off completely?

Oh and there's no way i would be happy with a sealed box.

And i don't think they are in the top 3 vehicles, thats kind of a stretch. But they get loud pretty easily. If i had more space back there, where i could just make a huge *** square box it'd be freakin awesome.
Yes, it'd throw off the tuning completely, but it's not like you can have any idea as to what it is now. That's why I said I'd go sealed, OR you could fiberglass.

Maybe, but my friend has like a 95 or 96 z28 and we seriously struggled to get a type r 10 into it ported. In the end, he just FG'd it.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 02:57 PM
The light blue piece is the problem. The speaker will NOT realize that it's part of the Vb. It's acting like a separate chamber since the driver will think that when it narrows after the main chamber, the port will begin. The air is going to flow into the chamber made by the light blue piece, and not go out the port as planned. Not a very efficient design at all, whether or not it sounds good. And I still don't see how you can predict its performance.

the speaker doesn't realize its even in an enclosure, the speaker mearly reacts to the new environment the best way it can, it reacts to the current being applied by the amplifier and it reacts in the enclosure its in, the sub will not even see the second chamber, the only reason i called it a second chamber was to help explain but its not a secondary chamber and the air wont flow in to the second chamber the subwoofer will pressurize the enclosure including the second chamber, and pressurized air will be forced out the port like it was planed. with out the light blue piece the port will just get shortened and not only increase the enclosure volume seen by the sub, but it will also increase the enclosure tuning.

tommyk90
02-03-2007, 03:05 PM
the speaker doesn't realize its even in an enclosure, the speaker mearly reacts to the new environment the best way it can, it reacts to the current being applied by the amplifier and it reacts in the enclosure its in, the sub will not even see the second chamber, the only reason i called it a second chamber was to help explain but its not a secondary chamber and the air wont flow in to the second chamber the subwoofer will pressurize the enclosure including the second chamber, and pressurized air will be forced out the port like it was planed. with out the light blue piece the port will just get shortened and not only increase the enclosure volume seen by the sub, but it will also increase the enclosure tuning.

The air isn't going to have a chance to flow EFFICIENTLY through that 2nd chamber because the port opening is ABOVE that 2nd chamber.

The air pressure is going to find the easiest and quickest way out of the box, in this case the port, and not even pressurize that other chamber. It's going to throw tuning WAY off because of the much smaller airspace the sub is going to THINK it's in.

If you wanted to make it a little better, I would have made the port NOT go across the whole width of the box. Cut down on port area, somewhere around 35-40 square inches would be more than good enough. This would allow the port to be shorter and maintain the same tuning, and wouldn't have that disgusting labyrinth of a port.


This reminds me of chevyaudio's box that he made. He had a real skinny truck box with internal aeros. Even though the box was ~ 2 cubes, the internal aeros were in a large section of the box, thus not letting air pressurize the air AROUND the ports. Instead, the air flowed OUT of the ports, and his peak frequency was sky high because of this.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:11 PM
Yeah, but you draw me up a design on how to make the port only say half way across the width of the box and i'll be surprised.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 03:12 PM
The air isn't going to have a chance to flow EFFICIENTLY through that 2nd chamber because the port opening is ABOVE that 2nd chamber.

The air pressure is going to find the easiest and quickest way out of the box, in this case the port, and not even pressurize that other chamber. It's going to throw tuning WAY off because of the much smaller airspace the sub is going to THINK it's in.

If you wanted to make it a little better, I would have made the port NOT go across the whole width of the box. Cut down on port area, somewhere around 35-40 square inches would be more than good enough. This would allow the port to be shorter and maintain the same tuning, and wouldn't have that disgusting labyrinth of a port.


thats wrong and it makes no sence, air finds its way out by going toward the lowest presure point, but only when its forced out. which means it will fill everything up before it goes out the leak. which on a ported enclosure will be the port.

baseballer1100
02-03-2007, 03:15 PM
So any pics of the build?

tommyk90
02-03-2007, 03:15 PM
thats wrong and it makes no sence, air finds its way out by going toward the lowest presure point, but only when its forced out. which means it will fill everything up before it goes out the leak. which on a ported enclosure will be the port.

Wrong, just wrong.

What do you think is going to have less pressure? An enclosed space OR A BIG HOLE IN THE BOX?!?!

Are you seriously that dense or do you just not want to admit that you f*cked up that design?

The air isn't even going to get a chance to pressurize that airspace. I ran into a similar problem with a truck box I made for myself. Because of the way the port was laid out, and since it was a big L-port, it cut off airflow to a large chamber of the box and jacked up my tuning big time.

It's the KISS principle. Keep It Simple Stupid. And that box is far from it.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 03:21 PM
Wrong, just wrong.

What do you think is going to have less pressure? An enclosed space OR A BIG HOLE IN THE BOX?!?!

Are you seriously that dense or do you just not want to admit that you f*cked up that design?

The air isn't even going to get a chance to pressurize that airspace. I ran into a similar problem with a truck box I made for myself. Because of the way the port was laid out, and since it was a big L-port, it cut off a large chamber of the box and jacked up my tuning big time.

It's the KISS principle. Keep It Simple Stupid.

if i had ****ed up the design i wouldnt had given it to him.
we went trough so many diffrent enclosures till we got to this one.
there is no reason this wont work.
and your resoning behind the why it wont work doesnt make sence.
so look over the design some more and find some thing else to critize.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 03:22 PM
the speaker doesn't realize its even in an enclosure, the speaker mearly reacts to the new environment the best way it can, it reacts to the current being applied by the amplifier and it reacts in the enclosure its in, the sub will not even see the second chamber, the only reason i called it a second chamber was to help explain but its not a secondary chamber and the air wont flow in to the second chamber the subwoofer will pressurize the enclosure including the second chamber, and pressurized air will be forced out the port like it was planed. with out the light blue piece the port will just get shortened and not only increase the enclosure volume seen by the sub, but it will also increase the enclosure tuning.Really. Okay, then in that case, consider this:
These are two completely theoretical drawings. Let's assume that they both have the exact same interior space, and exact same port length, and exact same driver.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6969/pwernaudio1qt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here is your standard ported enclosure. You have a full idea how the speaker will perform.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7181/pwernaudio2dc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is the equivalent to your design. Note the separate chambers, but the total interior space without the port length on the end is the same as the previous one. Now, are you honestly telling me that the speaker will utilize the airspace in those chambers even though that passage on the bottom is maybe 2" high, and that it'll behave the same since it "pressurizes" all of the airspace and all airflow will go out the port?

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:22 PM
So any pics of the build?

No, i'm leaving in abouty a half hour to start it. I'll have them up tonight. I'm just going to make it as designed and we'll see what happens.

nismos14
02-03-2007, 03:23 PM
Let the dude build it and tell us how it sounds, end of story.

baseballer1100
02-03-2007, 03:24 PM
No, i'm leaving in abouty a half hour to start it. I'll have them up tonight. I'm just going to make it as designed and we'll see what happens.

sweet.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:25 PM
Let the dude build it and tell us how it sounds, end of story.

Thats what's going to happen. But i like hearing this guys debate, that way after its built one of them will look stupid.

And i won't be able to tell you guys how it sounds for awhile. My friend is buying my Mag on Sunday, and at that time i will order my 15" Q. And even then i have to wait for my nine.1 to get back.

baseballer1100
02-03-2007, 03:29 PM
Thats what's going to happen. But i like hearing this guys debate, that way after its built one of them will look stupid.

And i won't be able to tell you guys how it sounds for awhile. My friend is buying my Mag on Sunday, and at that time i will order my 15" Q. And even then i have to wait for my nine.1 to get back.

Thats too long. lol

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:30 PM
Thats too long. lol

Yeah, your tellin me. And i won't be exactly happy if i wait that long, go through all this work. And have it sound like a$$. At that time i will probably retire from car audio.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 03:32 PM
Thats what's going to happen. But i like hearing this guys debate, that way after its built one of them will look stupid.

And i won't be able to tell you guys how it sounds for awhile. My friend is buying my Mag on Sunday, and at that time i will order my 15" Q. And even then i have to wait for my nine.1 to get back.
No one is going to look stupid, since you cannot possibly know what it's going to sound like. I never said it will sound bad, I said that you can't even know what it's tuned to since you have a random chamber just chillin in the bottom of the box.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:34 PM
No one is going to look stupid, since you cannot possibly know what it's going to sound like. I never said it will sound bad, I said that you can't even know what it's tuned to since you have a random chamber just chillin in the bottom of the box.

I think i'll be able to tell how it sounds when i have it hooked up.;)
And to be quite honest with you, i don't give a flying fu<k what its tuned to, as long as it impresses me. Haha.

tommyk90
02-03-2007, 03:36 PM
if i had ****ed up the design i wouldnt had given it to him.
we went trough so many diffrent enclosures till we got to this one.
there is no reason this wont work.
and your resoning behind the why it wont work doesnt make sence.
so look over the design some more and find some thing else to critize.

Somehow, I doubt all of that. That design is half-assed at best.

A good enclosure designer knows how to utilize airspace properly, and that box doesn't do that in the least. You can't just have random airspace chambers and expect the box to perform like a "normal" ported box that has one solid chamber would.

PV audio posted a very good example of what I'm trying to tell you.

I think you need to come down off your pedestal and realize that the design you sold him is a piece of crap.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 03:37 PM
if the distance between the pink panel and the orange panel on that corner was equal to or less then the port opening, it would be seen as your second drawing and a resistive point before the port and thus dividing the firt chamber and the second chamber but since the distance between those two point is grater then the port opening and with enough area to flow air without causing restrictions wich doesnt make it a chamber of its own but part of a biger one.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:38 PM
Somehow, I doubt all of that. That design is half-assed at best.

A good enclosure designer knows how to utilize airspace properly, and that box doesn't do that in the least. You can't just have random airspace chambers and expect the box to perform like a "normal" ported box that has one solid chamber would.

PV audio posted a very good example of what I'm trying to tell you.

I think you need to come down off your pedestal and realize that the design you sold him is a piece of crap.

I love how honest, open, and direct you are. Not even kidding.

tommyk90
02-03-2007, 03:38 PM
if the distance between the pink panel and the orange panel on that corner was equal to or less then the port opening, it would be seen as your second drawing and a resistive point before the port and thus dividing the firt chamber and the second chamber but since the distance between those two point is grater then the port opening and with enough area to flow air without causing restrictions wich doesnt make it a chamber of its own but part of a biger one.

Just give up trying to explain yourself. Nobody here cares.

I'm just hoping the box performs at least OK so the OP is happy with it. By I would be disgusted at myself if I sold a design like that to someone.

nismos14
02-03-2007, 03:39 PM
May want to get a better amp while your at it .......... :)

tommyk90
02-03-2007, 03:39 PM
I love how honest, open, and direct you are. Not even kidding.

Well thank you.

I'm just hoping that this crazy box does work out for you after all so you don't have to go through the hassle of another box design and build. :(

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:39 PM
May want to get a better amp while your at it .......... :)

The amp does what i need it to do. If i was made of money i'd agree with you.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:41 PM
Well thank you.

I'm just hoping that this crazy box does work out for you after all so you don't have to go through the hassle of another box design and build. :(

I think in any case i'll be more pleased with this than my previous box with my 12" Mag. If not, screw it, i'll make another box. And start another thread and let the excitement begin again.

nismos14
02-03-2007, 03:41 PM
Leave the **** guy alone, he made a design, and has made many previous designs. Lets see what the RESULTS are before you b!tch and moan because you think you're better, or his box is crap, or yadda yadda, alot of hot air being blown here for no reason.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 03:42 PM
if the distance between the pink panel and the orange panel on that corner was equal to or less then the port opening, it would be seen as your second drawing and a resistive point before the port and thus dividing the firt chamber and the second chamber but since the distance between those two point is grater then the port opening and with enough area to flow air without causing restrictions wich doesnt make it a chamber of its own but part of a biger one.
You don't seem to understand what I'm telling you. The thing I just drew up would be more efficient that what you have there. The fact that the main chamber is ABOVE the second one makes it that much worse. Regardless of the width, it's going to act like two chambers, not one. The airflow is going to go from the first chamber, and either potentially not even utilize the second chamber and go straight through the port, OR, it's going to go into the second chamber, but won't be used as a continuation of the first, and then it will go through the port. Either way, the light blue panel is what's destroying the design (and even without that, it's questionable since you still don't know how it'll behave being choked off at that point in the middle).

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:43 PM
Leave the **** guy alone, he made a design, and has made many previous designs. Lets see what the RESULTS are before you b!tch and moan because you think you're better, or his box is crap, or yadda yadda, alot of hot air being blown here for no reason.


I don't really agree with you, if someone on here thinks that this design isn't as effiecient or designed as well as it could be, I think these guys have a right to say so. especially when money was involved.

And not to mention the fact i won't be able to say how "Good" it is even when i do get everything running, until i had a box that everyone was confident would utilize all the airspace and let it flow like it should. It may impress me, but its not to say that the box was designed "right".

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 03:44 PM
Leave the **** guy alone, he made a design, and has made many previous designs. Lets see what the RESULTS are before you b!tch and moan because you think you're better, or his box is crap, or yadda yadda, alot of hot air being blown here for no reason.
Since you obviously don't even know what we're talking about, you might as well not even comment.

nismos14
02-03-2007, 03:46 PM
Guess you're right, but you also decided to go with him as a designer, that being said if you wanted him to design it, and he did, and he stands behind his product and believes in it, you and no one else will ever know if it sounds good or not.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:48 PM
Guess you're right, but you also decided to go with him as a designer, that being said if you wanted him to design it, and he did, and he stands behind his product and believes in it, you and no one else will ever know if it sounds good or not.

I don't think that really made since.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 03:49 PM
Just give up trying to explain yourself. Nobody here cares.

I'm just hoping the box performs at least OK so the OP is happy with it. By I would be disgusted at myself if I sold a design like that to someone.


you know what tommyk90 **** you. thats how much i care about what you have to say.
the enclosure was designed and redesigned more times then i wanted, to to fit his vehicle and accoustics need. we sure went trough the sealed enclosure subject as well but he wouldn't take that. so i put all my efforts and found answers too all that seems like a fault and came up with this enclosure. there are no aspects that wherent overlooked on this enclosure before i handed this enclosure plan to him and even after that, we reworked the plan even more.

the enclosure will sound good. Perform because it was design properly, not because of pure coincidence.

nismos14
02-03-2007, 03:49 PM
Had the blue panel been attached to the brown panel and the first pink panel right after the blue panel was attached to the bottom piece I can see the chambers acting as one... That is the whole arguement is it not?

tommyk90
02-03-2007, 03:53 PM
you know what tommyk90 **** you. thats how much i care about what you have to say.
the enclosure was designed and redesigned more times then i wanted, to to fit his vehicle and accoustics need. we sure went trough the sealed enclosure subject as well but he wouldn't take that. so i put all my efforts and found answers too all that seems like a fault and came up with this enclosure. there are no aspects that wherent overlooked on this enclosure before i handed this enclosure plan to him and even after that, we reworked the plan even more.

the enclosure will sound good. Perform because it was design properly, not because of pure coincidence.

Take a chill pill buddy, it's not the end of the world because you designed a less-than-stellar enclosure.

I'm hoping the box performs well too, because i'd hate to see what you come up with next. :rolleyes:

You want to act like a ******, that's fine with me. But be able to take some criticism on your designs because a good majority of us would know better to design a ridiculously complicated box like that.

bholtmeier
02-03-2007, 03:53 PM
you know what tommyk90 **** you. thats how much i care about what you have to say.
the enclosure was designed and redesigned more times then i wanted, to to fit his vehicle and accoustics need. we sure went trough the sealed enclosure subject as well but he wouldn't take that. so i put all my efforts and found answers too all that seems like a fault and came up with this enclosure. there are no aspects that wherent overlooked on this enclosure before i handed this enclosure plan to him and even after that, we reworked the plan even more.

the enclosure will sound good. Perform because it was design properly, not because of pure coincidence.

We did make several enclosures, however we never discussed a sealed enclosure, but we were trying to utilize all the space needed for a ported enclosure. And i respect the fact that he went to the hassle of trying to make it perfect for me and being able to back hisself up after criticism. But right now i'm leaving to go make, i'll let yall see the pics tonight.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 03:56 PM
you know what tommyk90 **** you. thats how much i care about what you have to say.
the enclosure was designed and redesigned more times then i wanted, to to fit his vehicle and accoustics need. we sure went trough the sealed enclosure subject as well but he wouldn't take that. so i put all my efforts and found answers too all that seems like a fault and came up with this enclosure. there are no aspects that wherent overlooked on this enclosure before i handed this enclosure plan to him and even after that, we reworked the plan even more.

the enclosure will sound good. Perform because it was design properly, not because of pure coincidence.
Okay, not once have I been negative towards you as a person, but you really need to relax. I will say with utmost arrogance and elitism that I have taken the most criticism of anyone on this entire forum. You need to be able to learn how to deal with it just like I have. The design IS flawed, you cannot have any idea as to how it'll perform, and while I admire your persistence, the fact that you don't even see what we're pointing out is quite concerning.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 04:07 PM
Okay, not once have I been negative towards you as a person, but you really need to relax. I will say with utmost arrogance and elitism that I have taken the most criticism of anyone on this entire forum. You need to be able to learn how to deal with it just like I have. The design IS flawed, you cannot have any idea as to how it'll perform, and while I admire your persistence, the fact that you don't even see what we're pointing out is quite concerning.

as a mater of fact i see what your saying perfectly about this design and i made a desition before i handed him the design before i called it done. i went trough great distance to make sure those kincks where not an issue, the design will work as designed.

it may sound like im pissed but im not. im actualy pretty laxed, just saying how i feel the same like everyone else is. i have been trough allot in life for me to get pissed at some online bullshit. so no im not pissed and i can take criticism.
but if you think the enclosure wont work, build it and prove it wrong.

tommyk90
02-03-2007, 04:10 PM
as a mater of fact i see what your saying perfectly about this design and i made a desition before i handed him the design before i called it done. i went trough great distance to make sure those kincks where not an issue, the design will work as designed.

it may sound like im pissed but im not. im actualy pretty laxed, just saying how i feel the same like everyone else is. i have been trough allot in life for me to get pissed at some online bullshit. so no im not pissed and i can take criticism.
but if you think the enclosure wont work, build it and prove it wrong.

We're not saying it WON'T work, because it just may, but what we ARE saying is that the box is overly complicated.

galacticmonkey
02-03-2007, 04:12 PM
i just read this entire thread and as soon as i saw that enclosure pic i was waiting for a pic of the real box. thats the most over-complicated thing ive ever seen.

my suggestion would be (i know noone heres likes it, but it would be a well designed box) to get a quote from TTB. ive heard his boxes personally and they sound great and get loud as hell. efficiency is the game with TTB designs.

if you dont want to go that route, just fiberglass a sealed enclosure into the space you have.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 04:14 PM
We're not saying it WON'T work, because it just may, but what we ARE saying is that the box is overly complicated.Yes. We hope that it works, but the way that it's designed doesn't seem to be efficient, nor can it be predicted accurately.

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 04:15 PM
That enclosure *****, The Blue piece is one problem, the other problem is...That smooth air flow is key to a nice sounding and loud enclosure.

1-its a Labarynth port...Labaryth ports are horrid, because it makes a few too many 180 degree turns,

2-The blue piece

3- Where the two back pieces meet (Pink and salmon colored) and it creates that bottle neck causing things to get choked off.

PV Audio
02-03-2007, 04:20 PM
Y'all have fun, I'ma head out real quick to get some etch-resist and ferric chloride. Good luck with the build bholt.

PowerNaudio
02-03-2007, 04:27 PM
the enclosure is complicated. the enclosure is not the most effitient because of the port shape Labarynth ftl, space was a most defent issue as well as tuning. the enclosure was design to house the sub and get the most out of the space available. this had to be the most unatural enclosure i have designed and trust me i dont like the enclosure shape as much as you guys hate it. i was just working with what i had at hand and in my eyes i made the best of it and designed an enclosure that not only fitted in the space available for a big *** sub. but had to look over all those things you guys are mentioning. way before i saw the enclosure for last time and we called it done.
the fact is that i already looked up all those things that youre mentining while designing the enclosure and making sure that they wouldnt interfere with the subwoofer performance,

bizzy07
02-03-2007, 04:53 PM
Just a suggestion: if this box does not work how you want it; redesign the box and maybe use round ports.. if you could fit them.

Chevyaudio
02-03-2007, 04:56 PM
yep...aero ports would of been for the best.

galacticmonkey
02-03-2007, 04:59 PM
or if you cant fit a proper ported... sealed isnt a sin.

saywhat?
02-03-2007, 04:59 PM
camaro's have lots of room LOL whats with all the squuezing **** into small spaces.

jeeper07
02-03-2007, 09:11 PM
any updates?

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 02:34 AM
Uploading the pics of the box progress so far. Was a toughy, still have to round edges as some of the cuts weren't as accurate as they could be. Really an ugly looking box for the most part.

UMGixxer
02-04-2007, 02:42 AM
hey i noticed that in your first pics you did not cut the angles on the wood yet, did you cut those yet

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 02:44 AM
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2296.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2297.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2302.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2303.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2304.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2305.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2306.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2310.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2311.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2312.jpg

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 02:44 AM
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2318.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2319.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2320.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2322.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2323.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2324.jpg

jeeper07
02-04-2007, 02:49 AM
no offense, but that box build was way to difficult for you. Those angles are sub par, they dont line up, edges are not flush etc. I know i couldnt do it either, thats one of the hardest looking plans ive ever seen. There has to be something easier.

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 02:50 AM
no offense, but that box build was way to difficult for you. Those angles are sub par, they dont line up, edges are not flush etc. I know i couldnt do it either, thats one of the hardest looking plans ive ever seen. There has to be something easier.

Did the best with what we had. It really doesn't look THAT bad, we haven't done any sanding or anything. We can still make it look alot better. U just wait.

jeeper07
02-04-2007, 02:54 AM
Did the best with what we had.

im not rippin on u at all dude. i couldnt do it any better i dont have a wood working shop at my disposal as im sure you dont either. That plan is imposible and would take a pro to make. it actually looks good overall, but a few places arent flush and such. nice job!

ruger
02-04-2007, 02:55 AM
looks ok

use some gorilla glue for anything way out of wack,
that **** is like expanding foam.

UMGixxer
02-04-2007, 02:55 AM
how exactly did you go about cutting those angles, b/c im trying to figure out how to cut some for my box

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 02:57 AM
im not rippin on u at all dude. i couldnt do it any better i dont have a wood working shop at my disposal as im sure you dont either. That plan is imposible and would take a pro to make. it actually looks good overall, but a few places arent flush and such. nice job!

The spots that aren't completely flush we will sand down quite a bit to at least help the apperance. Tomorrow morning we're going to slap that other side down and cut out the terminal and sub hole and you guys will get a good final idea of what she's gonna look like. I'm not really dissapointed in what we did so far. I think it still can be improved from what it is. Lack of tools, time and patience kept this box from being as good as it could be.

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 02:58 AM
how exactly did you go about cutting those angles, b/c im trying to figure out how to cut some for my box

Table saw, if you have a question on it visit this thread. I asked the same question myself.

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212070

UMGixxer
02-04-2007, 03:00 AM
ok thanks

UMGixxer
02-04-2007, 03:05 AM
do you think a circular saw will work

Volenti
02-04-2007, 10:52 AM
do you think a circular saw will work

Any angle you can do with a table saw you can do with a handheld, it's just harder to be as exact.

This box;
http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/Demo_box.jpg

All done with a circular saw on a set of horses.

woodplock7
02-04-2007, 12:46 PM
lol wtf is that box :D

audiobahnuser18
02-04-2007, 12:49 PM
WTF , man what do you plan on doing here im trying to figure this out????

PV Audio
02-04-2007, 01:07 PM
Bholt, I'm sorry but those edges just don't line up well enough. You can't really sand down the inside of the box, so I'm hoping you don't get a lot of turbulence. Personally, if someone handed me that plan to build, I would have told them yeah right.

nismos14
02-04-2007, 01:10 PM
Any angle you can do with a table saw you can do with a handheld, it's just harder to be as exact.

This box;
http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/Demo_box.jpg

All done with a circular saw on a set of horses.


:up2somet: WTF is that thing?

PV Audio
02-04-2007, 01:13 PM
Any angle you can do with a table saw you can do with a handheld, it's just harder to be as exact.

This box;
http://users.bigpond.net.au/volenti/Demo_box.jpg

All done with a circular saw on a set of horses.
What was this build, get as much turbulence as possible? :uhoh:

nismos14
02-04-2007, 01:21 PM
Looks like it was "build a toy for children.... insert the rectangle/square/circle/trapezoid/triangle" ...

JohnBlayz142
02-04-2007, 05:36 PM
Don't listen to these guys, what do you think filler/glue is for? ;)

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 07:38 PM
Here's the final product. (Before carpeting, if it sounds good) Turned out Not too shabby i think. it was quite difficult.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2330.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2329.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2328.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2327.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2326.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2325-1.jpg

jeeper07
02-04-2007, 07:40 PM
missing a sub. and i must say came out very nice.

jeeper07
02-04-2007, 07:41 PM
couple things. sub cutout looks pretty bad. That is going to be hard to seal off. Secondly what gauge wire are you using for power and ground and what kicker amp is that? and get some tinting or all ur hard work is gonna be stolen haha

overall you did very nicely on a very complicated build

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 07:42 PM
except the sub cutout looks a lil messed up?

Yeah, we're going to put another baffle on top of that one before we carpet it.

mjf
02-04-2007, 07:42 PM
im more concerned about how this sounds.

nismos14
02-04-2007, 07:45 PM
And the 8 gauge power and ground looks sad. :( Make'em bigger make'em bigger :)

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 07:53 PM
Its only my front amp it doesn't really need any bigger.

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 09:07 PM
So what yall think?

nismos14
02-04-2007, 09:20 PM
Looks ok get that baffle on asap, throw in the sub and lets find out how it sound :)

Btw I think it turned out very good for being so complex.

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 09:55 PM
Looks ok get that baffle on asap, throw in the sub and lets find out how it sound :)

Btw I think it turned out very good for being so complex.

Thanks, I just orderd the 15" Q minutes ago, hopefully i get it within a week or so, not sure how long they take to process and ship. Hopefully i'll be getting my amp back around that time as well. I still haven't got an email from ED about it and its been over a week since it arrived at their warehouse.

nismos14
02-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Amp blew out?

What kind of power wire do you run to your sub amp?

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 10:04 PM
Yeah, it fried..for some reason i don't know. And i'm running 1/0 power and grounds along with big 3.

baseballer1100
02-04-2007, 10:43 PM
WEll it looks good. hopefully it sounds good.

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 10:46 PM
WEll it looks good. hopefully it sounds good.

Yeah i hope so huh.

mobeious
02-04-2007, 10:47 PM
Build quality looks alright but design is lacking... i see alot of turbulance and standing waves in that box

bholtmeier
02-04-2007, 10:48 PM
No way?:yumyum:

baseballer1100
02-04-2007, 11:32 PM
No way?:yumyum:

interesting i cant believe you didnt know?

PV Audio
02-04-2007, 11:46 PM
Build quality looks alright but design is lacking... i see alot of turbulance and standing waves in that boxReally!

bholtmeier
02-05-2007, 12:05 AM
LoL @ the last 3 posts.

matt_martin87
02-05-2007, 11:10 AM
Anyone think a design simalar to this would've worked better?

Fiberglassed around for more of an opening, and the port winding around the bottom so the air exits where it is supposed to.

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/MATTHE%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/mathyouakandn/post.jpg

nismos14
02-05-2007, 11:14 AM
Nice pic lol :)

Possibly...........

matt_martin87
02-05-2007, 11:17 AM
Nice pic lol :)

Possibly...........

MS Paint FTL

bholtmeier
02-05-2007, 09:09 PM
Anyone think a design simalar to this would've worked better?

Fiberglassed around for more of an opening, and the port winding around the bottom so the air exits where it is supposed to.

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/MATTHE%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/mathyouakandn/post.jpg

That design looks alot more promising, no extra "chambers" or anything.

nismos14
02-05-2007, 09:13 PM
Wonder why it didn't look like that from the beginning.

matt_martin87
02-05-2007, 11:55 PM
Wonder why it didn't look like that from the beginning.

No clue. What is so hard about a plan like that powernaudio? Besides the fact that we've never used fiberglass, it would work a hell of a lot better I would think. More of one chamber than two and the port would be at the bottom of the box.

jeeper07
02-05-2007, 11:58 PM
fiber glass is a breeze

PowerNaudio
02-06-2007, 01:58 AM
No clue. What is so hard about a plan like that powernaudio? Besides the fact that we've never used fiberglass, it would work a hell of a lot better I would think. More of one chamber than two and the port would be at the bottom of the box.

humm, you know what you're right it could of been made out of fiberglass. i dont see why he still cant. all he has to do is cut the bottom corner of the enclosure and glass it. for me it would be a breeze, why dont you ask him if hes willing to do it.
and while youre at it since your cutting a hole in it take down the first part of the port down and build it like in the picture.
yeah that will make the enclosure X10000000 times better.

bholtmeier
02-06-2007, 02:15 AM
****, hopefully this shiz sounds good

bholtmeier
02-06-2007, 02:24 AM
humm, you know what you're right it could of been made out of fiberglass. i dont see why he still cant. all he has to do is cut the bottom corner of the enclosure and glass it. for me it would be a breeze, why dont you ask him if hes willing to do it.
and while youre at it since your cutting a hole in it take down the first part of the port down and build it like in the picture.
yeah that will make the enclosure X10000000 times better.

haha, i see that you agree with PV and company now. i kinda figured they were right. ill just make a new box. bah. oh well

PowerNaudio
02-06-2007, 09:02 AM
humm, you know what you're right it could of been made out of fiberglass. i dont see why he still cant. all he has to do is cut the bottom corner of the enclosure and glass it. for me it would be a breeze, why dont you ask him if hes willing to do it.
and while youre at it since your cutting a hole in it take down the first part of the port down and build it like in the picture.
yeah that will make the enclosure X10000000 times better.


haha, i see that you agree with PV and company now. i kinda figured they were right. ill just make a new box. bah. oh well

i guess you dont see the sarcasm on my post.

bholtmeier
02-06-2007, 09:17 AM
nope.

PV Audio
02-06-2007, 11:16 AM
Just keep building it and see how it sounds. You have nothing to lose. :)

matt_martin87
02-06-2007, 11:46 AM
bholt, when are you supposed to be getting the q?

bholtmeier
02-06-2007, 03:58 PM
Just keep building it and see how it sounds. You have nothing to lose. :)

Yeah, but i guess it's going to be another 2 weeks for my amp because they had to order parts. AHH!!!!:mad:

ssj2xxgotenxx
02-06-2007, 08:46 PM
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/ssj2xxgotenxx/Box.jpg

The box looks pretty good, BUT the amp is upside down :(, the sub might have an airleak in the area indicated above, and those wires don't look that great. Great job though.

matt_martin87
02-07-2007, 12:30 AM
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/ssj2xxgotenxx/Box.jpg

The box looks pretty good, BUT the amp is upside down :(, the sub might have an airleak in the area indicated above, and those wires don't look that great. Great job though.

We will be putting another baffle on top of that so hopefully that seals that area enough. We started sanding that edge to make it look better and realized that the cutout would go there.

baseballer1100
02-07-2007, 12:32 AM
i think the box looks great.

squeak12
02-07-2007, 12:49 AM
IMO non rectangular boxes should not be ported with the exception of mild fiberglass work.

bholtmeier
02-07-2007, 09:07 AM
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/ssj2xxgotenxx/Box.jpg

The box looks pretty good, BUT the amp is upside down :(, the sub might have an airleak in the area indicated above, and those wires don't look that great. Great job though.

A) whatt matt martin said

B) what he said again

C) temporary spot for the amp, will be going under the box, you wont see it at all!

D) thanks

UMGixxer
02-07-2007, 11:37 AM
can you carry that box by yourself?

bholtmeier
02-07-2007, 05:08 PM
can you carry that box by yourself?

Yeah, getting it out of the trunk is the fun part. But i did it yesterday some how.

ultimate157
02-07-2007, 05:40 PM
Considering the complexity of the build it didn't turn out too bad at all. A second baffle will fix the cutout, and all will be left to the design as far as how it sounds.

matt_martin87
02-08-2007, 01:12 AM
Sub comes Friday for those interested. Too bad Brandon's nine.1 won't be back for another week or two. Curtis (ctminime) better let us use his nine.1 to at least see how it sounds.

jeeper07
02-08-2007, 01:15 AM
ill be waiting to see what u guys say

NhustlaR
02-08-2007, 02:48 AM
get the ****ed sub already

dvrmstrng
02-08-2007, 03:07 AM
just took the time to read the entire thread....good stuff...suscribed...and i cant wait to hear how the dam thing sounds but like other people said im worried about that sanding...throwing another baffle on there hopefully will seal that off completely but from what i see in the picture i dunno.....

Radioflyer97
02-08-2007, 10:50 AM
to fix the air leak (or compensate for it rather) you could use a hand router to go down a 1/4" where the sub would normally mount. it would give you a cleaner look and negate the sanding error but you'd sacrifice structural integrity of the mounting screws. As long as you countersink the mounting holes, you should be fine.

bholtmeier
02-09-2007, 12:09 AM
Heres a few pics of the 2nd baffle installed. I also put one on the front of the box so it look nice. You may notice the "leaks" on the sides. they aren't leaks however, it's just from where we sanded it down. No air is gettin through that badboy.

Gonna hear it tomorrow!!!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2338.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2341.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2337.jpg

ultimate157
02-09-2007, 12:14 AM
Looks good. Going to carpet it ?

bholtmeier
02-09-2007, 12:15 AM
I have 8 yards sittin next to me :) it'll lok nice as **** with a good carpet job.

bholtmeier
02-09-2007, 12:16 AM
Not gonna carpet it unless it's amazingly loud. Cuz i know the design is flawed, meaning i can get better. It's just if its that **** nice, i wont even bother hehe. at least not right now. i'm kinda "box'ed out" for awhile

I'm not even sure i posted the specs on this box

3.3cubes, tuned to 31hz...with 53 sq inch of port area. Should bump hard yo.

I'm actually going to make 2 little things on sides where the sub mounts to make it fill my whole back deck. Just mainly for looks. I'll carpet those seperately and screw them in from the inside.

matt_martin87
02-09-2007, 12:22 AM
Nice use of the jack stand.

baseballer1100
02-09-2007, 12:40 AM
Turned out great. That sub better hurry the **** up.

bholtmeier
02-09-2007, 12:40 AM
It'll be here tomorrow morning pry 9 or 10 am.

baseballer1100
02-09-2007, 12:52 AM
It'll be here tomorrow morning pry 9 or 10 am.

Woot. Im excited to hear how the box is...

nismos14
02-09-2007, 09:14 AM
Hell yah, time for some results, hopefully that 9.1 gets back to you soon.

MikeyB
02-09-2007, 03:59 PM
Great job building the box but you should have just gave up on that design and just made a sealed box out of it. It may sound good to you in that box but im sure that it will sound all sorts of fucked up with that fat *** chamber right where the port starts.

jeeper07
02-09-2007, 04:09 PM
get that sub yet?

dvrmstrng
02-09-2007, 05:21 PM
wheres the updates!@OI$(*$#*

lifted95
02-10-2007, 03:34 AM
I wanna see the results too!

Yea, DEFINATLY get tint!

BassAddictJ
02-10-2007, 06:19 AM
cant wait to hear about it's performance... :) yall are ****ing crazy....

bholtmeier
02-10-2007, 01:19 PM
Well i didn't really get to hear it, i didn't have enough speaker wire or really anything so i had to ghetto everything out. It was really cold and i was gettin sick of deallin with everything. Oh and yeah, the sub hole is a shade too small, so the sub wouldn't go all the way in. So there was a massive air leak out the top. And a leak on the side of the box where i put my wires through because i was too lazy to caulk it. It was pretty **** impressive for a sub that wasn't even sealed in the box. Ill just say that. The only really comparison i have is it was prolly as loud as my buddies 2 rlp's which he metered at 142.8 db. With the sub not sealed. :)

nismos14
02-10-2007, 01:37 PM
Pics?!

bholtmeier
02-10-2007, 02:12 PM
Heres a few pics of it sitting next to my mag :)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2344.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c77/slikrider20/IMG_2345.jpg

ultimate157
02-10-2007, 02:24 PM
What the hell is it doing outside the box?!



(you going to give the mag to the ultimate157 charity?:naughty: ) Keep us posted

bholtmeier
02-10-2007, 02:27 PM
Already sold it to ctminime :)

I gotta sand down the hole so it fits all the way down. Plus its pointless to be in there w/o an amp and wiring right now. i'd say 2 weeks itll all be done.

pwuthedon
02-10-2007, 03:03 PM
i did not approve of this thread

lostdaytomorrow
02-10-2007, 03:26 PM
Thread did not deliver. I wanted results of the box, not some half-*** hole wasn't big enough BS. At least bridge that Kicker just to test out the box, my goodness. That Q looks sick. I hope the box works out for you. Good luck getting your Nine.1 back soon. Let us know how it turns out.

bholtmeier
02-10-2007, 07:47 PM
Actually, i just sanded down the hole and it fits fine. I didnt even think of bridging the kicker, that will give it a good 500 watts.

baseballer1100
02-10-2007, 08:43 PM
interesting.

bholtmeier
02-11-2007, 03:23 AM
Yeah, just bridged my kicker giving the Q about 450 watts. Was louder than my mag off 1200. :)

Didn't hear port noise at all..

lifted95
02-11-2007, 05:51 AM
Yeah, just bridged my kicker giving the Q about 450 watts. Was louder than my mag off 1200. :)

Didn't hear port noise at all..

Cool!

nismos14
02-11-2007, 11:12 AM
wtf pics please lol:up2somet:

azbass
02-11-2007, 11:18 AM
IMO non rectangular boxes should not be ported with the exception of mild fiberglass work.

false,. :eyebrow:

matt_martin87
02-11-2007, 03:44 PM
I hope when I come down tomorrow you hook up that kicker for me. I have to hear how that Q off the kicker be as loud as your 12" mag off a nine.1

CBFryman2
02-11-2007, 04:41 PM
That box is going to act all kinds of funky.

werd.

lostdaytomorrow
02-12-2007, 12:25 AM
false,. :eyebrow:
He started with IMO...

matt_martin87
02-12-2007, 12:27 PM
Here is what I came up with as a rough idea for another design, if we decide to rebuild. Someone let me know why this would or wouldn't work better.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/mathyouakandn/15Qwithfiberglasssection.jpg

nismos14
02-12-2007, 12:36 PM
Don't think that lil nugget right after the FB will be necessary..... looks kind like it was just thrown in....

What is this box you designed tuned to?

matt_martin87
02-12-2007, 09:59 PM
3d view I drew up.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/mathyouakandn/3dview2qbox.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/mathyouakandn/3dview1qbox.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/mathyouakandn/3dview3qbox.jpg

3.5 cubes, 31hz, 53sqin of port

bholtmeier
02-13-2007, 12:26 AM
hell yeah for that box.!

tommyk90
02-13-2007, 02:12 AM
Any particular reason to not extend the port length all the way up to the sub baffle so you don't have to make all those little strips?

It seems as though that the bottom panel of the port would nearly line up with the edge of the baffle...

That would eliminate any need to have any weird little port pieces inside the box to increase the length.

matt_martin87
02-13-2007, 10:20 AM
Any particular reason to not extend the port length all the way up to the sub baffle so you don't have to make all those little strips?

It seems as though that the bottom panel of the port would nearly line up with the edge of the baffle...

That would eliminate any need to have any weird little port pieces inside the box to increase the length.

We simply cannot make it any longer. The way the hatch sits makes it perfect the way it is now. I'm not 100 percent sure what you are talking about though. Could you edit one of my pics to highlight the area(s) you are talking about?

tommyk90
02-13-2007, 02:44 PM
We simply cannot make it any longer. The way the hatch sits makes it perfect the way it is now. I'm not 100 percent sure what you are talking about though. Could you edit one of my pics to highlight the area(s) you are talking about?

Well, then that cancels out my idea. What I meant was something like this (sorry for the crappy paint pic :laugh:)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/tommyk90/bholt.jpg

The red lines represent the extension of the port walls I was talking about.

bholtmeier
02-13-2007, 03:41 PM
Well, then that cancels out my idea. What I meant was something like this (sorry for the crappy paint pic :laugh:)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b78/tommyk90/bholt.jpg

The red lines represent the extension of the port walls I was talking about.

That section won't get any bigger. It would be awesome if it could, but that isn't happening.

Anyone have any ideas as to how we could fiberglass that section? I don't know how we would do it, but I assume that you make a mold of the rounded part of the car, then somehow attach it to the box. Someone point us in the right direction if we are way off.

tommyk90
02-13-2007, 04:07 PM
That section won't get any bigger. It would be awesome if it could, but that isn't happening.

Anyone have any ideas as to how we could fiberglass that section? I don't know how we would do it, but I assume that you make a mold of the rounded part of the car, then somehow attach it to the box. Someone point us in the right direction if we are way off.

D*mn those low camaro hatches. :)

UMGixxer
02-14-2007, 11:02 AM
you could either mold that curve section and then just glass if onto the wood or you could put that side piece next to the curve and the top piece and then just glass them together, either way is pretty much the same, but the fiberglass bonds really well with wood so dont worry about that part, or i just thought of another way since ported boxes have to be made **** near perfect you can rabbet the inside edges of the pieces that align with the curve and then attach like a t shirt between them to form the arc and resin that then apply the mat until its flush with the wood

MemphisCherokee
02-16-2007, 09:04 PM
all i know is i wanna see this ***** in the box carpeted
sooooonnnnnnnnnn