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kickerlivinloud
01-31-2007, 01:32 PM
Ok this will be a work log of 2 boxes. 1.09@29Hz and 1.00@43Hz. Both are getting the same treatment, gloss black finish which will hopfully have a mirror like finish when I'm done. I'll go through every process I do with pic's and descriptions so this will also be a tutorial in a way, so sit back enjoy!!

Got sanders???
http://123pichosting.com/images/5569Work log 1.jpg
Got sand paper???
http://123pichosting.com/images/5785Work log 2.jpg
Ok this is the 1.00@43 we'll call it "box B" This box is quit rough as you will see in following pics. It is the box you see in my sig, I did not like how my 1st paint job was so I scraped all the paint of with a plain. This casued some uglies which you will see shortly...
http://123pichosting.com/images/183Work log 3.jpg
This is just a shot of the box from a couple feet away, its ready to be sanded...
http://123pichosting.com/images/6955Work log 4.jpg
See how rough and ugly it looks, we'll be taking care of this with 60 grit paper
http://123pichosting.com/images/798work log 5.jpg
Hmmm look any better??? This is after an hour or so worth of sanding.
http://123pichosting.com/images/7967work log 6.jpg
Ok now to screw holes, the one on the left was from the original build, its good, the one on the right was just recently done, but not sanded yet...
http://123pichosting.com/images/784work log 7.jpg
The drill got away from me a little bit and the holes went deeper then planed, now worry, it is easly fixed...
http://123pichosting.com/images/9643work log 8.jpg
See all better, but it still needs finish sanding...
http://123pichosting.com/images/8982work log 9.jpg
Ok here is the box after 60-150-320 grit, you can't tell the differnce with pic's but you can deffently tell the difference by feel. Its as smooth as a babies bottom!
http://123pichosting.com/images/4238work log 10.jpg
Ok now here is "box A" (1.09@29Hz) This is the 4th layer of paint which was sanded last night with 320grit. Notice how the box is almost totaly dull, this is very improtant for getting the next coat...

kickerlivinloud
01-31-2007, 01:33 PM
Ok now here is "box A" (1.09@29Hz) This is the 4th layer of paint which was sanded last night with 320grit. Notice how the box is almost totaly dull, this is very improtant for getting the next coat...
http://123pichosting.com/images/3027work log 11.jpg
Another pic of how "dull" the color is, this is what you want to strive for when sanding between coats.
http://123pichosting.com/images/9528Work log 12.jpg
This is the amp rack for "Box B" I will not be striping this like I did the box, I will simply paint over and sand it down. Yes its very dusty, Always make sure your surface is clean and clear of dust. If possible paint in another room then were you sand. I did not do this b/c I didn't want to wait for the 2nd room to heat up to painting temp.
http://123pichosting.com/images/8011work log 13.jpg
Ok were now back to "box B" You see here the 1st layer of primer is on, the reason for the 2 colors is my one can of primer was acting up, so I switched over to another primer. This will not effect anything...
http://123pichosting.com/images/5051work log 14.jpg
Another shot with primer, the edges will get more coats, and sanded more. I've found that if sanded fine enough, one does not need to put filler on the end grain of the wood.
http://123pichosting.com/images/8188work log 15.jpg
This is what primer I am using....
http://123pichosting.com/images/6264work log 16.jpg
Here is "box A" I stoped half way through to show you what a difference the paint makes...
http://123pichosting.com/images/7487work log 17.jpg
You can somewhat see my hands reflection in this pic. I will probably do 2 more layers with some higher grip paper and then start the wet sanding...
http://123pichosting.com/images/2932work log 18.jpg


Hopfully this will show you how and what steps need to be taken to get a nice mirror like finish with just spray paint. I hope to have good results with the wet sanding. It will be my first attempt at it so we'll see how it goes. If you have any questions, comments, ideas, tips, whatever. Let me know, I'm always open to other peoples opinions..



Jon

jmanpc
01-31-2007, 01:33 PM
i have a dewalt sander just like yours :D

smd4life
01-31-2007, 01:41 PM
whats in your avatar?

jmanpc
01-31-2007, 01:41 PM
whats in your avatar?

ia 187?

smd4life
01-31-2007, 01:43 PM
ia 187?

i meant sig.....it looks alot like what he just built

jmanpc
01-31-2007, 01:45 PM
thats an 8w7

kickerlivinloud
01-31-2007, 01:48 PM
Avator is a IA LI 12.
The sig is an 8W7.

My parents just got home and my dad bought me a little something, 400 and 600 Grit paper!!!!!!!!!!! Im gonna be going back down and working in half an hour or so. The paint should be dry and ready for some more coats...

baseballer1100
01-31-2007, 04:11 PM
nice.

PV Audio
01-31-2007, 04:11 PM
Bare wood needs about 20x more sanding, needs a sealer for the edges, then primer. Besides that, I'm loving the gloss :drool:

bdawson72
01-31-2007, 04:16 PM
nice

SHiZNiLTi
01-31-2007, 05:36 PM
Lookin good...
http://123pichosting.com/images/2932work%20log%2018.jpg

Enamel paint is good for that glossy look too.

tEh koRnDog
01-31-2007, 05:38 PM
looks nice

BassAddictJ
01-31-2007, 06:02 PM
very nice work man.

Calikid
01-31-2007, 06:09 PM
awesome

kickerlivinloud
02-01-2007, 12:55 PM
Ok here is "box A" This was the 4-5 ( i forget now lol) layer of paint which dryed last night. This pic is taked AFTER sanding with 600 grit paper. This impressed me a lot!
http://123pichosting.com/images/7296Work log 19.jpg
Another shot showing "box A" after 600 grit sanding, smooth as silk...
http://123pichosting.com/images/1682work log 20.jpg
This pics is taken half way through my 6th layer of paint. As you can see it has a very fine finish to it!
http://123pichosting.com/images/9298Work log 21.jpg
Just another shop of the paint...
http://123pichosting.com/images/2865work log 22.jpg
Ok here is "box A" fully painted. The plywood you see in the reflections is the wall, 7 feet away!!
http://123pichosting.com/images/5758work log 23.jpg
You know I'm dead **** in my hunters orange hat!!
http://123pichosting.com/images/4298work log 24.jpg
Here's a shot of my ghetto drying station. That is "box B" in front, them my amp rack and them "box A" in the back
http://123pichosting.com/images/9421work log 25.jpg
This is "box B" with its 1st coat of black paint.
http://123pichosting.com/images/2895work log 26.jpg
Yet another shot of "box A" drying...
http://123pichosting.com/images/4629work log 27.jpg
All 3 projects, in same order as mentioned above...
http://123pichosting.com/images/6750work log 28.jpg



The 600 grit really suprised me!! It makes an very visible difference when adding the next coat. I will do 1 more layer on the rest of the box, hit that with 600 and then put my last layer on. After that I will make my first try at wet sanding...




Jon

evan
02-01-2007, 02:13 PM
Looks good. Are you using the power sanders for every grit, or are you doing some by hand?

kickerlivinloud
02-01-2007, 02:20 PM
The course I used a power sander up to 320. Anything above that I will be doing by hand. I personally would do it all by hand if it wouldn't take so long. Doing it by hand leaves a better finish, least I found that out. The ultra high grits are just to fine for power sanders.


Jon

SHiZNiLTi
02-01-2007, 02:37 PM
Uh Oh, Looks like I've got some competition for the shiniest box on caraudio.com :D

Looking great, I can allready tell that when you wetsand the final product its gonna look like black glass!

Did you find some 2000grit yet for when it comes time to wetsand?

This is what I used for wetsanding, pics were takin before I wetsnaded the box...

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2622/sandingstuffdg2.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2931/paperzo1.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7996/compoundtg1.jpg

kickerlivinloud
02-01-2007, 03:08 PM
Curious, did you use a power sander when you did it, or did you sand by hand?? Also if you wouldn't mind, could you explain exactly how to wet sand??


Thanks...


Jon

PowerNaudio
02-01-2007, 03:13 PM
the paint is looking really good.
one thing i would suggest is that on your sanding stages, you go deeper on the paint and take some of the waviness off, the paint is looking shinny, but the surface of the paint is taking away from the look because of all the bumpiness and waviness on the pain.
here is some pods i made and painted a while back.
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/36222342174.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4369064)
i the most difficult task i found was prepping for the paint to make sure the surface was as smooth as i wanted the paint to be look.
there was no sanding of paint, they could of looked way better. but it was my first time painting.

SHiZNiLTi
02-01-2007, 03:59 PM
Yes, I used the powersander for wetsanding, keep in mine I'm using Lacquer spray paint not Enamel spray paint so they may sand differently.

LOL, it ***** trying to explain something on the forums, it would be soo easy if I made a quick video of wetsanding, you'd watch like 30 secs and figure out how to do it exactly.

I tried wetsanding by hand, but that didn't work out too well and I could see I was scratching the paint leaving hairlines on it because I wasn't able to distribute equal pressure across the sandpaper and was unable to keep consistancy across the box.

I then purchased a $9.00 14,000rpm sander and WOW what a difference all I would do is just let the weight of the sander do it's work on the box while keeping the box very wet with a small spray bottle. The water turned black after wetsanding for about 3 minutes. After about 3 minutes of going across half of the box's top using a left to right motion working my way down the box I would whipe it down and dry it then exam the surface and look for imperfections then swap out the old sand paper for a new piece. Keep in mind while doing this the paint was dulled alot and almost looked chalky grey, but don't worry because thats what the buffing compund is for.

Anyways I used 6 of those small 1500 grit sheets and 6 of the small 2000 grit pieces to do the entire 5 cubes box. If you want to really see how the progress is coming between wetsanding sections you can bust out the buffing compound and rub it in hella hard using a terry cloth towell then buff it out with another clean towell and examine the finish that way, I did this about 3 times in between wetsanding.

For the final touch I used Mcquires Gold Series polish wax and wow was it smooth! If I had my car parked on an incline and dropped a towell on the box it would slide right off :D

kickerlivinloud
02-01-2007, 04:20 PM
Thanks Shiz, that helps a lot. Just want to get an idea of what exactly I need to do.





Jon

SHiZNiLTi
02-01-2007, 04:34 PM
Thanks Shiz, that helps a lot. Just want to get an idea of what exactly I need to do.





Jon
NP, I forgot to add, when your done wetsanding the entire box work the buffing compound in hard on the entire box then buff out. Then after that use the polish wax.

evan
02-02-2007, 12:39 PM
Did you finish yesterday? Where are the pics?

kickerlivinloud
02-02-2007, 02:26 PM
No not done yet. I will probably finish it up sometime next week. This weekend is rather busy so I probably won't get a lot of work done this weekend. I just got some 1500 grit paper for wet sanding. Its the highest any place in town had. I'll probably check out lowes this weekend for some higher stuff. Hopfully I can find some 2000+ stuff.

Also Shiz, what is that rubbing compound you have a pic of??



Jon

SHiZNiLTi
02-02-2007, 03:48 PM
Also Shiz, what is that rubbing compound you have a pic of??



Jon

Rubbing compound is a buffing compound that is used after you wetsand, think of it as a gritty wax. I used it on the box after I was done wetsanding and really helped clean up any marks that were left behind from wetsanding.

baseballer1100
02-02-2007, 11:21 PM
Looks great.

theCybe
02-02-2007, 11:37 PM
i see orange peel :)

SHiZNiLTi
02-03-2007, 01:21 AM
i see orange peel :)
Yep, I had lots of it too, but as soon as he wetsands it, it's gonna be sweet looking....

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2430687&postcount=25

kickerlivinloud
02-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Looks like these builds are getting put on hold. I'm hoping to have my sub shipped in monday so I'll be starting a new build once it gets here. I'm not really sure if my design will work so I need to wait untill i get the sub. I have a quick mockup made that I can check with. I will be starting another build/work log for that build sometime this week. Once I have that finished I'll come back to these....



Jon

evan
02-03-2007, 06:09 PM
You should try a Varathane product called "Colours in Plastic". I can get it at my HD, but I don't know if it's sold in the States.

This is one coat without priming or sanding.
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/4513/painting7vu0.jpg

SHiZNiLTi
02-20-2007, 03:08 PM
Any update on the shinny box's, been almost 20 days since last update :D I think the paint has cured enough to wetsand it :D

SPL140.2
02-20-2007, 03:16 PM
looks sweet :D looks like the screw holes where you mount the sub is a tad too close :( other than that looks great

kickerlivinloud
02-20-2007, 03:25 PM
Any update on the shinny box's, been almost 20 days since last update :D I think the paint has cured enough to wetsand it :D


Nope paint is still curing ;). I guess I should get back to work on them. I guess I could do some more work and take some pics tomorrow.


I'll get these projects back up and running soon. Lots of pics as usual will follow..





Jon

Immacomputer
02-21-2007, 11:17 AM
Pfft... you call that shiny?

http://i18.tinypic.com/4d5d5ki.jpg

Actually, that picture is decieving. While mine looks pretty nice, there are little dirt specs in it. I never wetsanded and only went up to 600 grit with a powersander.

bdawson72
02-21-2007, 11:23 AM
thats a wild pic

kickerlivinloud
02-21-2007, 12:12 PM
Pics in 10 mins!





Jon

kickerlivinloud
02-21-2007, 12:21 PM
Ok I started wet sanding. Here are so pic's of my progress....



Pre-sanding this was last hit with 600 grit and then had 2 layers of paint put on..
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand1.jpg
Another shot of pre-sanding.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand2.jpg
Plenty of water and 1500 grit paper.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand3.jpg
Its hard to see but the top has been finished. About 8-10 mins worth of sanding...
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand4.jpg
Another after-sanding shot...
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand5.jpg
This is how I start off the wet sanding. Water is just spread over the box and then I use the sprayer to get a good coat of water on the box. Next setup is to start sanding...
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand6.jpg


I kept a constant spray of water when sanding so that the sander was never on just dry paint. I'm letting them dry off a little right now. That and I don't have any rubbing compound yet (it'll be here this afternoon). More pics will follow as I continue with the process so stay tuned!! I'm hoping for some good results....




Jon

SPL140.2
02-21-2007, 12:24 PM
pretty sweet n shiny lol, i hope you dont knick it when putting it in :(

kickerlivinloud
02-21-2007, 12:26 PM
Pfft... you call that shiny?

http://i18.tinypic.com/4d5d5ki.jpg

Actually, that picture is decieving. While mine looks pretty nice, there are little dirt specs in it. I never wetsanded and only went up to 600 grit with a powersander.



Did you use a rattle can or a paint sprayer?? Either way nice looking results...






Jon

mackin13
02-21-2007, 12:27 PM
I recently did this.

heres a trick.

Instead of doing a **** ton sanding, get the box sanded reasonably smooth then paint it with that thick indoor primer paint (dries real fast) and lay it on thick. This is the type of primer that comes in a gallon can, spray primer isnt thick enough. Then keep sanding and re painting a few times with the primer and you should end up with somthing that is very smooth and ready to take a good can of gloss enamel.

Ive tried using just spray cans and I find that 1. I get too high and 2. It takes up too much time.

kickerlivinloud
02-21-2007, 12:30 PM
I recently did this.

heres a trick.

Instead of doing a **** ton sanding, get the box sanded reasonably smooth then paint it with that thick indoor primer paint (dries real fast) and lay it on thick. Then keep sanding and re painting a few times and you should end up with somthing that is very smooth and ready to take a good can of paint.

Thanks for the tip!



This box was decently sanded before starting. I think I hit it with 300 or so before any paint or primer was added. I'm debating trying to paint my current box right now. If I did I would hit the box with at least 600 before I did any painting or priming. Doing these 2 boxes has given me some experience so next time I try it I know a couple tricks to make it go faster and easyer!

Thanks again for the tip man, I'm always open to ideas!






Jon

SHiZNiLTi
02-21-2007, 12:52 PM
Looks good Jon! It turned out great. Take a pic with the camera closer to paint with it angled so it goes all the way across the box.

mackin13 - thats a good point, thats how I did mine, but I used a quart of brush on polyurethane sanding primer that was very thick then sanded that down to get a very smooth finish then did about 6 coats of spray on black lacquer and wetsanded it once it cured. mackin13, I've got pics in my sig link if you want to see my process.

My next box I'm gonna try using a gallon of the brush on primer insted of the polyurathane stuff becuase it took forever to cure last time.

SHiZNiLTi
02-21-2007, 01:00 PM
Pfft... you call that shiny?

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9011/shinnyboxdj2.jpg

Actually, that picture is decieving. While mine looks pretty nice, there are little dirt specs in it. I never wetsanded and only went up to 600 grit with a powersander.

pfft, thats weaksauce Immacomputer :p:

Here's mine...
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2489/wetsandgoodtq7.jpg

Everyones shinny box looks good :D

Any more pics of the above box imacomputer?

kickerlivinloud
02-21-2007, 01:50 PM
Here are a couple more pics I took after a second round of sanding....

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand7.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand8.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand9.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand10.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand11.jpg



I'm still waiting on rubbing compound. More pic's will come when I get that..





Jon

SHiZNiLTi
02-21-2007, 03:27 PM
The wetsanding is working some of the orange peel down, mine looked like that when I started wetsanding, but I didn't have that much orange peel. I sanded till the entire box was white with no black showing, this indicated that the paint was level to the touch and eye, but I had hella layers of paint and my paint was lacquer too so it sands differently. Anyways I'm sure once you buff the hell out of it with some rubbing compound and then poish it with some wax it should look very shinny. Just be carefull not to sand it down too much :D

kickerlivinloud
02-21-2007, 05:07 PM
More better pics coming in 10 min's!!!!!!!!!






Jon

kickerlivinloud
02-21-2007, 05:22 PM
Ok guys, here are some more pics. I am making some progress as you will see. The first 5 pic's are all second coat. You can see that they still need a lot of work but are slowly getting better... After the first 5 pics you will see the result of close to an hour's worth of sanding with 2500 grit paper. I went into town and picked up some 2500 and some rubbing compound and all I have to say is WOW!!! I'll stop talking and let the pictures explain for them selves.


http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand12.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand13.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/Wetsand14.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand15.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand16.jpg

kickerlivinloud
02-21-2007, 05:22 PM
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand17.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand18.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand19.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand20.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand21.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand22.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand23.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand24.jpg

I'm not done, not by a long shot! I still need to work on the top some more plus I have all the sides yet to do. I still even have some painting but, that will all happen later. This project will probably take another 2 weeks or so to finish depending on how much I work on it.


Let me know what you guys think of my progess so far...



Jon

PowerNaudio
02-21-2007, 05:41 PM
impressive!, great work, it sure payed off.

springy101
02-21-2007, 05:46 PM
lawl at shinny

Immacomputer
02-21-2007, 07:46 PM
pfft, thats weaksauce Immacomputer :p:

Here's mine...
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2489/wetsandgoodtq7.jpg

Everyones shinny box looks good :D

Any more pics of the above box imacomputer?

Yea, yea, yea... I know that your enclosure looks better but I also understand that the camera is focused on the house which makes the imperfections harder to notice. ;) It's the same thing with mine as well. I have a bunch of pictures of the enclosure but most of them **** or look worse than it does in real life. This is one that turned out decent and is a better representation of what it actually looks like:
http://i19.tinypic.com/2dah99c.jpg


Did you use a rattle can or a paint sprayer?? Either way nice looking results...
Jon

I used a latex based gloss black enamel, which was terrible, and then I painted polyurethane on it. I'm pretty sure the brush put a lot of dirt and **** onto it but the final result is pretty nice. I don't have the orange peel effect that you get with spray cans but I had my own problems. Next time, I'm going to brush the polyurethane on with a foam brush and for the final layer, I will mix it with some paint thinner and put it on real thin with a cloth.

I'm defintely going to buy some rubbing compound and see how that does on the top of my enclosure. Your results look pretty nice!

bdawson72
02-21-2007, 07:51 PM
I may want to do the whole shiny thing to my next box

rooneypower
02-21-2007, 11:24 PM
im gonna have to say im doin the same thing to my box..

I saw your box first "kickerlivinloud" and thought it was pritty amazing.

Then i heard about SHiZNiLTi's box and i was like wtf.. That is sick. so i decited to do it on a test piece of wood to see if i could do it myself. Im in the process of my test and im using birch wood on my box. If it goes all well im gonna do it to my real box... Will birch wood have a better result??
I have to say good work on both of your boxes..
Thanks for the ideas too.

Im hoping to put up a work log of my box construction as well as the painting of my box..

uhoh45
02-22-2007, 01:25 AM
so much work for a nice shine ah

ssj2xxgotenxx
02-22-2007, 01:42 AM
That's alot more work than just carpeting, but the hard work definetly shows.

SHiZNiLTi
02-22-2007, 11:13 AM
Immacomputer - that box looks great!

Jon - looking really nice, sweet pics - I like the angles of them!

I'm gonna try to paint and wetsand my 7 cuft box for my 18" BTL in 2 days and 3 nights. It's gonna be a beyatch, but I think I can do it.

(1) gallon of sandable brush on white primer for wood
(1) gallon of sandable brush on glossy black lacquer for wood
(1) 14,000 rpm powersander
(1) 12oz. 3M buffing compound
(1) 12oz. Meguires Gold Class wax
(8) 300grit for primer
(8) 1500grit for lacquer

All I gotta do is spend an hour on rounding the edges over and get all the cut edges and imperfections covered with lots of sandable wood filler paste before I start my process.

I will start Friday night and try to use as much as I can of 1 gallon's worth of brush on fast drying white primer for wood and apply (1) coat per hour from 6pm till 2am for a total of (8) coats!

I will then let it dry under heat lamps with a low rpm fan on it overnight and till 11am the next morning. I will then powersand the hell outta the primered box for about 1-2 hours getting it to a silky smooth finish with no visable imperfections.

At 1pm Saturday I will begin brushing on the Black Lacquer doing (1) coat every hour from 1pm till 9pm for a total of 8 coats! I will then let it dry under heat lamps on it overnight and till 9pm on Sunday night for a total of 24 hours cure time. At this point the wetsanding will take place from 9pm till 12pm, by this time the 3 hours of powerwetsanding should be enough, i will then use an orbital buffer with 3m buffing compund to bring out the shine, then use the orbital with mxguires gold class to get this big 7cuft box looking hella **** :D

This will all take place next weekend hopefully.

kickerlivinloud
02-22-2007, 01:34 PM
Sounds like a plan shiz!! Looking forward to seeing results!


Well I spend another 2+ hours wet sanding with little to no result. There are lots of small pits in the paint which are taking for freaken ever to sand out. I switched back to 1500 and that sped this up a little but but barely any. Its quite depressing with all this work and little to no result to show for it. I've also come to the conclusion that putting the rubbing compound on was a mistake!!! I had gotten excited and put it on yesterday and now see that, that was a mistake. I haven't taken any pictures b/c there just isn't really anything worth taking. I'll put some more hours of wet sanding in later today. Hopefully I will start to get some results...



Jon

kickerlivinloud
02-22-2007, 04:36 PM
Well deffenetly screwed up the box :furious: I'm pretty sure putting the rubbing compound on is what screwed me. I think I should be able to put more layers of paint back on it and just sand it again. If I do that, I will have a good smooth base to work from. Words can't describe how smooth it feels right now but it just looks like total crap. I'll let you all see for yourself...

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand25.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand26.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand27.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand28.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand29.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/wetsand30.jpg



I think repainting the box is my best bet, even though I really don't want to. The whole box does need more paint plus I burned through the paint in a couple places. I will be repainting tomorrow I guess. I'm thinking this will be the best bet...


Pic's will follow as I start back over again...




Jon

SHiZNiLTi
02-22-2007, 08:49 PM
Are you sure it's fubared? How did you apply the 3M product?

Is it the same as this 3M that I used...

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7762/3mof8.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1853/3m2vs8.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4828/3m1kr6.jpg

After I wetsanded my box I used all 8 ounces of it on my box. I applied it using a terry cloth towel by hand at first then went to using an Orbital Buffer with a foam pad.

I had that whitish look on my box too after using the 3M, but then I used some meguires gold class wax and it came right out and I was left with high gloss black shinny finish...

http://imageserver.isnweb.com/MEGG7016.jpg

Do you think that you went to deep and that's the primer that you see in the paint?

Try waxing the box with some good wax just for the heck of it to see if it helps in any way.

Now that I look at he picks more it seems like the paint is worn down to the primer almost. That 3M compund takes the paint down too. I saw alot of black on the towels that I used when I was buffing it, this is very interesting with what happened.

It sure does look smooth though. It will be a good surface to add more paint.

mackin13
02-22-2007, 09:19 PM
Sanding Primer, interesting, never knew such stuff existed, sounds great though.

One bad thing about doing shiny boxes is that there are no 'real' shortcuts, it still takes allot of time and elblow grease (and some luck) to get a perfect job.

Immacomputer
02-22-2007, 11:34 PM
I'm going to buy some rubbing compound and try it with my enclosure. My top has got a little scratched from putting my bike in and out. I don't know why I went for a shiny box when I have a mountain bike that gets all muddy and nasty and slams right into it. I guess I'm just crazy... or maybe I really just hate carpet?

kickerlivinloud
02-22-2007, 11:41 PM
I'm going to buy some rubbing compound and try it with my enclosure. My top has got a little scratched from putting my bike in and out. I don't know why I went for a shiny box when I have a mountain bike that gets all muddy and nasty and slams right into it. I guess I'm just crazy... or maybe I really just hate carpet?


You do it b/c carpeting is old. Everyone and there mom carpets their boxes. A couple ppl just paint their boxes, but the very few take the time to "spiffy" them up to the point were we are.

I don't know about you but I like doing things that are out of the norm. Not to many ppl have a wood box in of which they can see their reflection.



Jon

Immacomputer
02-22-2007, 11:47 PM
Well, I really hate carpet. Not that it's because it's so popular but because of the texture and look. I have always loved shinny things and so this fits me well.

My favorite look so far for me has been the stain but the end grain really pissed me off and upset me. My next enclosure will be birch and it looks like the end grain isn't as retarded as MDF.

rooneypower
02-23-2007, 01:10 AM
which wood is better to use for these boxes... MDF or birch plywood?

kickerlivinloud
02-23-2007, 08:31 PM
I put another coat of paint on it today. Did not like how it went on. It was not smooth in the least bit. It was very very "bumpy". Not at all what I was expecting. It was very cold to day and I ran out of gas for the heaters so only 1 coat. I might get the rest of the coats on this weekend depends on if I go get more gas for the heaters. I will then let it setup for at least 2 days before I begin sanding again. So don't expect a lot of pics and updates to mid week.



Jon

Immacomputer
02-23-2007, 08:51 PM
I went out and got some turtlewax rubbing compound and it really helped the finish of my box. Something happened over time and the finish isn't as nice as it was. I think it is due to using the latex based paint. The enclosure that I stained actually began to look better over time and the finish set much much better. Oh well. It's a nice as it's going to be and I'm not worried about it. The hood of my car got some compound loving and it looks much better than it did; it was oxidized all to hell and back.

kickerlivinloud
02-28-2007, 07:53 PM
Ok I did a little bit more work yesterday on the boxes. The results you see are with 600 grit paper. I think I might of used it a little to long but its not a major issues. The finish is slowly coming together. I plan on working on it again tomorrow so I should have more pics then. So on with the pictures...


http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/1Wetsand.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/1Wetsand1.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/1wetSand2.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/1Wetsand4.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/Kickerlivenloud/1Wetsand3.jpg





Jon