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mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 07:22 PM
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mikey060
01-14-2007, 07:24 PM
11 cubes for two 12s?

mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 07:30 PM
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kicker06
01-14-2007, 07:31 PM
i know man, kinda choking em, but thats all the space i could afford, you'll see.

areyouserious?

LinxuS
01-14-2007, 07:33 PM
Wow thats a lot of space. Isn't that enough for 2x 15s? :X

kicker06
01-14-2007, 07:35 PM
Wow thats a lot of space. Isn't that enough for 2x 15s? :X

Try 2 18"s

mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 07:35 PM
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rpfuror
01-14-2007, 07:38 PM
That is going to be a HUGH *** bow for 2 12 inch drivers... get some pics up.

mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 07:54 PM
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mikey060
01-14-2007, 08:14 PM
interesting.

PV Audio
01-14-2007, 08:21 PM
That is way too large man.

mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 08:26 PM
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j3bus2k3
01-14-2007, 08:26 PM
That is way too large man.

ESPECIALLY for that model year....

mikey060
01-14-2007, 08:28 PM
i guess if he doesnt care if the subs die then why not...

PV Audio
01-14-2007, 08:45 PM
Why are you acting like you're drunk? Is the idea of completely destroying your speakers funny to you? Apparently so.

DBfan187
01-14-2007, 08:46 PM
Why are you acting like you're drunk? Is the idea of completely destroying your speakers funny to you? Apparently so.Why do you care what he does to his equipment?

PV Audio
01-14-2007, 08:49 PM
Why do you care what he does to his equipment?
Did I say that I cared? I only comment because he posted the thread to get comments, and that's what I'm doing.

DBfan187
01-14-2007, 08:51 PM
so am I.

PV Audio
01-14-2007, 08:53 PM
I don't know why, but your AV is hilarious :laugh:

Kenny Pollock
01-14-2007, 08:54 PM
I don't know why, but your AV is hilarious :laugh:x2

And that box is WAY too big, that's almost as big as my wall for two 18s is after port/sub displacement.

mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 09:20 PM
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PV Audio
01-14-2007, 10:05 PM
So it's going infinite baffle eh? Nice.

SHiZNiLTi
01-14-2007, 10:11 PM
so i went with 11.3 cubes, 2 type r 12's (ARRRRRRRRRRGH) and an old school orion hc800.2 1600w at 2 ohms, pretty impressed...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/mikescanlon11/HTR033.jpg

Thats a hella big box, I bet it sounds great to you!!!

So that lil 800 does 1600rms @ 2 ohms? The owners manual of my 1200 says that with 4ohm's it does 1200rms. What do you think mine will do at 2 ohms?

Click here to see my old school orion 1200 (http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189427)

Check out your amps internal fusing, it's (2x30) 60amps, mine has (6x30) 180amps :D

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4826/xtremeorionoi7.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9441/xleftjr1.jpg

mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 10:17 PM
..b.

bigwheel15
01-14-2007, 10:20 PM
so they wont hyper-extend...

Hyper-extend?:eyebrow:

9512ds
01-14-2007, 10:23 PM
Hyper-extend?:eyebrow:

you know... like a knee :)

ngsm13
01-14-2007, 10:27 PM
1. Might as well not even put the subs in a box. Might as well just go IB.
2. That amp WILL NOT give you 1600rms. It has 60amps of fusing.
3. Lol @ your speaker output wiring.
4. Lawl.

nG

SHiZNiLTi
01-14-2007, 10:36 PM
LOL nG

Eugenics
01-14-2007, 10:39 PM
you must just like wasting space.

baseballer1100
01-14-2007, 10:41 PM
Interesting.

squeak12
01-14-2007, 10:42 PM
Doesn't a HUGE box just act like IB? Besides he doesn't have anywhere to mount them IB unless he mounted them IN the floor. ****, thats a HELLA idea, subs IN the floor...

ultimate157
01-14-2007, 10:44 PM
it's a sealed box still, so i doubt it's even using all the airspace in there.

11.3cubes sealed for 2 12s ... wtf ? And last I checked subs can't pick how much airspace it uses ... the builder does that.

mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 10:44 PM
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Kagymp5
01-14-2007, 10:51 PM
i do alot of pro-audio.. it's a pro-audio only term i guess, it's when the voicecoil comes out from around the magnet.

like if you were to just pull the speaker out of the basket.

sure as hell doesn't seem like you do alot of pro-audio.... Hyper extend??? an 11 cube box for two **** type r's??? i just do not get it.....

DBfan187
01-14-2007, 10:53 PM
over-excurt or whatever it's called?

mikescanlon
01-14-2007, 10:57 PM
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Eugenics
01-14-2007, 10:59 PM
i've gotta say, everytime i post on this forum, everyone is a *****, and badmouth everything.

thanks for the negitive comments, and like 2 good comments.

i'll stick to more mature forums.

i guess i could have got me two new type r's, and put them in a 3.5 box ported to 35hz and been like 70% of the people on here.

or i could have spent alot less, had some fun and built a huge box. yeah, i'll take the second option

thats odd, everyones pretty nice to me on here.

Eugenics
01-14-2007, 10:59 PM
oh, and

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1425/doglovepukeot5.gif

ultimate157
01-14-2007, 11:02 PM
oh, and

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1425/doglovepukeot5.gif

LMFAO

ngsm13
01-14-2007, 11:16 PM
Lawl.

nG

9512ds
01-14-2007, 11:17 PM
poor guy is butt hurt and deleted everything because he is embarassed

ngsm13
01-14-2007, 11:22 PM
It happens.

To r-tards.

nG

Kagymp5
01-14-2007, 11:56 PM
oh, and

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1425/doglovepukeot5.gif

hahahahahaha honestly how do you find such things???

Immacomputer
01-15-2007, 12:45 AM
oh, and

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1425/doglovepukeot5.gif

http://www.IMGBoxUpload.net/upload/files/imagebox_1168837152_r7.gif

ultimate157
01-15-2007, 01:14 AM
http://www.IMGBoxUpload.net/upload/files/imagebox_1168837152_r7.gif

Oh my god lmfao. Projectile puking. Kid almost puked as far as he is tall. omg im laughing so hard because the kids just walking like nothings happening.

j3bus2k3
01-15-2007, 01:19 AM
oh, and

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1425/doglovepukeot5.gif

:hilariou:

I think I just pee'd alittle bit...

Kagymp5
01-15-2007, 02:09 AM
http://www.IMGBoxUpload.net/upload/files/imagebox_1168837152_r7.gif

hahahaha thats some **** i bet his dad was proud of

bdawson72
01-15-2007, 02:22 AM
why dont i see pics

bigwheel15
01-15-2007, 04:04 AM
why dont i see pics

He edited his posts to remove them.

saywhat?
01-15-2007, 06:58 AM
lol this guy is a joke. phattonydenarco is prolly embarressed to say he was involved

Eugenics
01-15-2007, 03:37 PM
Phattony is the guy who went through all the trouble to get a inhuman 15, and then it 'wasn't loud enough'. of course he only found this out after he built the wrong sized and tuned box for it twice. The first time of course he messed it up completly and it wouldn't even fit in his trunk.

JohnBlayz142
01-15-2007, 03:50 PM
What is going on here? Any reason this guy hasn't been banned? This thread is a waste of space and should not contribute to his post count. Poster is obviously a ******* who can't take criticism and doesn't know what he's doing.

If he's trying to get a laugh out of this, it's really not even funny.....simply stupid. Why, at 21 years of age, do I feel I am more mature than many thread starters here?

PhatTonyDeMarco
01-15-2007, 04:47 PM
Phattony is the guy who went through all the trouble to get a inhuman 15, and then it 'wasn't loud enough'. of course he only found this out after he built the wrong sized and tuned box for it twice. The first time of course he messed it up completly and it wouldn't even fit in his trunk.

I don't quite understand this comment.. It was for sale, and I bought it. It was no trouble to get?

Yeah, I screwed up and built the box about an inch too tall; sue me. Second box was calculated incorrectly in WinISD, still sounded amazing. Your point? I have been through numerous subs since then; I just like to try different setups. I didn't get rid of it simply because it wasn't loud enough for me.

I am not embarassed to be affiliated with Mike, he is a great guy. He has much more experience than many of the members on here, having worked for several car audio businesses as well as doing a hell of a lot of pro audio on the side.

Mike is just crazy, and wanted a substage in his truck since it had been so long since had bass. So, spur of the moment he got a pair of Type R's. I planned on making a new enclosure for my 18" Destroyer and we live about 20 minutes apart, he has a workshop and **** so we decided to have a build day. Again, spur of the moment he decides on 11 cubes, it's his truck so you can't get mad at the guy. Making fun of him isn't needed, it was more or less a 'goof' build.

All in all, it was a great day. Nothing went wrong construction wise, and we had a great time hanging out. My box is actually 7.5 cubes, not 4.5 like he had stated; tuned to 30Hz with 111^2 inches of port area. Pictures will be posted once I decide how to cover it, not sure if I want to do plain carpet or have some fun with the paint gun...

Conclusion: Mike's a good guy, and knows his ****; no reason to flame him.

I'm assuming there will be some negative replies regarding this post, so just be gentle. :blackeye:

WhoSayWho?
01-15-2007, 05:03 PM
Hey Tony, did you ever make good on this deal:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198262&highlight=phattonydemarco+scammer

PhatTonyDeMarco
01-15-2007, 05:11 PM
Hey Tony, did you ever make good on this deal:

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198262&highlight=phattonydemarco+scammer
..The guy was refunded the day after. Maybe he'll read up on the description before he bids next time.

WhoSayWho?
01-15-2007, 05:13 PM
..The guy was refunded the day after. Maybe he'll read up on the description before he bids next time.

Cool.

Eugenics
01-15-2007, 05:24 PM
i remember when francis used to get online at night.

mikescanlon
01-16-2007, 08:40 PM
thanks tony, and sorry, that was a random *** guess on the 4.5, my box looked twice as big as yours, so i only assumed.

i've gotta say yours sounds better, might have something to do with your equipment.

just maybe

WhoSayWho?
01-16-2007, 08:43 PM
thanks tony, and sorry, that was a random *** guess on the 4.5, my box looked twice as big as yours, so i only assumed.

i've gotta say yours sounds better, might have something to do with your equipment.

just maybe

Glad I got to read this post before you deleted it like you did all the others.

PV Audio
01-16-2007, 08:47 PM
Pro audio, eh? So that's why he made an infinite baffle enclosure without calculating anything...:idea:

Relax
01-16-2007, 08:58 PM
I don't know whats more retarded- you guys saying the box is too big or the guy for deleting his posts.

You can never build a sealed box too big- the larger it is the more it aproximates the installation on a sub in an infinite baffle- an alignment which is considered by many to be the best for bass in homes (why not cars?).

If you want to impress this forum- call it a wall and port it to 50 hz. then post some spl numbers.

PV Audio
01-16-2007, 09:10 PM
I don't know whats more retarded- you guys saying the box is too big or the guy for deleting his posts.

You can never build a sealed box too big- the larger it is the more it aproximates the installation on a sub in an infinite baffle- an alignment which is considered by many to be the best for bass in homes (why not cars?).

If you want to impress this forum- call it a wall and port it to 50 hz. then post some spl numbers.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: After saying that, you really can't comment.

IB speakers have certain parameters PARTICULAR TO THOSE TYPES OF SPEAKERS, not all speakers in general. Most won't even make much bass at all, but those that ARE designed for infinite baffle use, then they work. LOL @ never being too large a box.

Relax
01-16-2007, 10:10 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: After saying that, you really can't comment.

IB speakers have certain parameters PARTICULAR TO THOSE TYPES OF SPEAKERS, not all speakers in general. Most won't even make much bass at all, but those that ARE designed for infinite baffle use, then they work. LOL @ never being too large a box.

You are ****ing retarded. You probably have no idea what the size of a box does to a speaker do you? If so- tell me what the difference is in placing a 12" sub in a 1 cu ft box when compared to a 3 cu ft box?

You will prolly say the 3 cu ft box will allow the sub to dig deeper yet suffer a loss in power handling due to a larger air spring behind the cone.

Relize though that a (perfect )12" speaker ( a perfect circle with radius of 6 inches.) with a xmax of 1 inch only changes the volume of a box less then .1 cu ft. You honestly believe the effect of .1 cu ft of volume change on a 1 cu ft box is that different then a 3 cu ft box? Or even a 5 cu ft or 11 cu ft?

If you doubt me throw the numbers into your favorite speaker enclosure design software. Most subs show very little change until you are placing them in hundreds of cubic foot compared to a 2 or 3 cu ft box.

The benefit of a sealed enclosure is removing the rear wave of a subwoofer's output from merging with the front. A secondary and much less impactful benefit is an increase in cone control and lower group delay compared to other enclosures.

And as far as your comment on IB woofers. Yes woofers designed to work in IB installs perform better then other woofers. But that is not to say any subwoofer can be installed IB.

tommyk90
01-16-2007, 10:17 PM
You are ****ing retarded. You probably have no idea what the size of a box does to a speaker do you? If so- tell me what the difference is in placing a 12" sub in a 1 cu ft box when compared to a 3 cu ft box?

You will prolly say the 3 cu ft box will allow the sub to dig deeper yet suffer a loss in power handling due to a larger air spring behind the cone.

Relize though that a (perfect )12" speaker ( a perfect circle with radius of 6 inches.) with a xmax of 1 inch only changes the volume of a box less then .1 cu ft. You honestly believe the effect of .1 cu ft of volume change on a 1 cu ft box is that different then a 3 cu ft box? Or even a 5 cu ft or 11 cu ft?

If you doubt me throw the numbers into your favorite speaker enclosure design software. Most subs show very little change until you are placing them in hundreds of cubic foot compared to a 2 or 3 cu ft box.

The benefit of a sealed enclosure is removing the rear wave of a subwoofer's output from merging with the front. A secondary and much less impactful benefit is an increase in cone control and lower group delay compared to other enclosures.

And as far as your comment on IB woofers. Yes woofers designed to work in IB installs perform better then other woofers. But that is not to say any subwoofer can be installed IB.

You need to follow your screenname.

And BTW, not every 12 is going to displace as little at .1 cubic feet. Look at the RE XXX 12". That thing displaces .24 cubes.

davesexplorer
01-16-2007, 10:21 PM
:eyebrow:
You are ****ing retarded. You probably have no idea what the size of a box does to a speaker do you? If so- tell me what the difference is in placing a 12" sub in a 1 cu ft box when compared to a 3 cu ft box?

You will prolly say the 3 cu ft box will allow the sub to dig deeper yet suffer a loss in power handling due to a larger air spring behind the cone.

Relize though that a (perfect )12" speaker ( a perfect circle with radius of 6 inches.) with a xmax of 1 inch only changes the volume of a box less then .1 cu ft. You honestly believe the effect of .1 cu ft of volume change on a 1 cu ft box is that different then a 3 cu ft box? Or even a 5 cu ft or 11 cu ft?

If you doubt me throw the numbers into your favorite speaker enclosure design software. Most subs show very little change until you are placing them in hundreds of cubic foot compared to a 2 or 3 cu ft box.

The benefit of a sealed enclosure is removing the rear wave of a subwoofer's output from merging with the front. A secondary and much less impactful benefit is an increase in cone control and lower group delay compared to other enclosures.

And as far as your comment on IB woofers. Yes woofers designed to work in IB installs perform better then other woofers. But that is not to say any subwoofer can be installed IB.

:eyebrow: :uhoh:

So by your logic I could throw a 12" sub in a 1 cubic foot box, then a 18 cubic foot box and not notice a difference.. or it being a very small difference? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Relax
01-16-2007, 10:22 PM
You need to follow your screenname.

And BTW, not every 12 is going to displace as little at .1 cubic feet. Look at the RE XXX 12". That thing displaces .24 cubes.

I am plenty relaxed- don't worry.

I relize many 12s will displace more then .1 cu ft- thats why I said 1 inch xmax.

PV Audio
01-16-2007, 10:51 PM
You are ****ing retarded. You probably have no idea what the size of a box does to a speaker do you? If so- tell me what the difference is in placing a 12" sub in a 1 cu ft box when compared to a 3 cu ft box?

You will prolly say the 3 cu ft box will allow the sub to dig deeper yet suffer a loss in power handling due to a larger air spring behind the cone.

Relize though that a (perfect )12" speaker ( a perfect circle with radius of 6 inches.) with a xmax of 1 inch only changes the volume of a box less then .1 cu ft. You honestly believe the effect of .1 cu ft of volume change on a 1 cu ft box is that different then a 3 cu ft box? Or even a 5 cu ft or 11 cu ft?

If you doubt me throw the numbers into your favorite speaker enclosure design software. Most subs show very little change until you are placing them in hundreds of cubic foot compared to a 2 or 3 cu ft box.

The benefit of a sealed enclosure is removing the rear wave of a subwoofer's output from merging with the front. A secondary and much less impactful benefit is an increase in cone control and lower group delay compared to other enclosures.

And as far as your comment on IB woofers. Yes woofers designed to work in IB installs perform better then other woofers. But that is not to say any subwoofer can be installed IB.
:laugh: You're worse than I thought. Not only does what you wrote have NOTHING to do with what I said (minus your last and shortest paragraph), if you honestly think that a speaker performs the same in 1 cube as it does 11 cubes, you're worse than I used to be...and that's bad.

ngsm13
01-16-2007, 11:39 PM
What a dummy.

Relax feg.

nG

PV Audio
01-16-2007, 11:51 PM
WTF @ your sloganizer lol.

You better get inside nJizm13

....right.

mikescanlon
01-17-2007, 08:23 AM
i'm guessing relax does pro audio or home audio, becuase i agree with what he's saying.

there is more out there than cars guys.

and speakers are speakers, watts are watts, and volts are volts.


there is more than 1 way to skin a cat?

PV Audio
01-17-2007, 08:28 AM
....I'm a home audio guy who does car audio because it's more profitable around high schoolers. I can guarantee you that if you put a woofer in .5 cubes versus 2 cubes, youll notice a difference. That's simply ridiculous logic.

mikescanlon
01-17-2007, 08:45 AM
....I'm a home audio guy who does car audio because it's more profitable around high schoolers. I can guarantee you that if you put a woofer in .5 cubes versus 2 cubes, youll notice a difference. That's simply ridiculous logic.

you're a noob that can use autocad from what i noticed.

ultimate157
01-17-2007, 11:50 AM
I have played around with placing one 12" subwoofer in different sized enclosures.

I currently run my SW8200 in a 1cube sealed box, and it doesn't reproduce 20hz very well at all. I then put it in a 4.5 cube box and was able to flex the roof of my jeep 1" at 20hz.

Still no difference ?

Immacomputer
01-17-2007, 12:13 PM
I have installed a single polk ex 10" in .44 cubes and in 1 cube and the difference is VERY noticeable. The smaller enclosure peaks much higher and does not dig down into the lows (40hz material). The 1 cube enclosure had a smoother FR that extended near 30hz and was much more laid back in the 60-80hz region. Theoretical graphs are not going to give you these differences that are VERY audible. They're also not going to be able to tell you about transient response.

CBFryman2
01-17-2007, 02:38 PM
You are ****ing retarded. You probably have no idea what the size of a box does to a speaker do you? If so- tell me what the difference is in placing a 12" sub in a 1 cu ft box when compared to a 3 cu ft box?

You will prolly say the 3 cu ft box will allow the sub to dig deeper yet suffer a loss in power handling due to a larger air spring behind the cone.

Relize though that a (perfect )12" speaker ( a perfect circle with radius of 6 inches.) with a xmax of 1 inch only changes the volume of a box less then .1 cu ft. You honestly believe the effect of .1 cu ft of volume change on a 1 cu ft box is that different then a 3 cu ft box? Or even a 5 cu ft or 11 cu ft?

If you doubt me throw the numbers into your favorite speaker enclosure design software. Most subs show very little change until you are placing them in hundreds of cubic foot compared to a 2 or 3 cu ft box.

The benefit of a sealed enclosure is removing the rear wave of a subwoofer's output from merging with the front. A secondary and much less impactful benefit is an increase in cone control and lower group delay compared to other enclosures.

And as far as your comment on IB woofers. Yes woofers designed to work in IB installs perform better then other woofers. But that is not to say any subwoofer can be installed IB.

Yeah...this is a big difference. 10% change vs less than 1% change.

You, and the OP, need to learn a little bit about acoustics and air springs.

JohnBlayz142
01-17-2007, 03:14 PM
Mike Scanlon, you related to the car dealership family?



If you want to impress this forum- call it a wall and port it to 50 hz. then post some spl numbers.

this quote is going in my sig..sad and hilarious

ultimate157
01-17-2007, 06:57 PM
Yeah...this is a big difference. 10% change vs less than 1% change.

You, and the OP, need to learn a little bit about acoustics and air springs.

Yea I was gonna comment on that.

A .1 cube change in a 1 cube box is 10%
A .1 cube change in an 11 cube box is 0.9%

How is there going to be ZERO adverse effects from such a dramatic change in internal pressure?

Oh wait, there will be !

PV Audio
01-17-2007, 08:37 PM
Don't worry about him, he's not ready yet. :)