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Kenny Pollock
12-15-2006, 01:03 AM
Alright, just gonna be blunt and ask for what I need:

I have a $300 MAX budget for everything.

I'd like to go active, my goal is LOUD without sounding like ****.

Let's say I can fit any size mid/tweeter in my car.

I have a Pioneer Premier DEH-P880PRS... so if I need an additional component for the 3-way setup, then include that in the $300 budget.

I have a Sundown Audio 100.4 to power this. Specs are as follows:

CH1+2 : 10 - 100 Hz Subsonic
CH1+2 : 50 - 5000 Hz HPF
CH1+2 : 35 - 2500 Hz LPF
CH3+4 : 10 - 100 Hz Subsonic
CH3+4 : 50 - 5000 Hz LPF
CH3+4 : 50 - 1000 Hz HPF
12dB per octave crossovers
CH1,2,3,4 : 35 - 120 Hz variable 0 - 18dB bass boost
100 x 4 @ 4 ohms
150 x 4 @ 2 ohms
300 x 2 @ 4 ohms


What do you recommend (links please)?

Thanks in advance :)

j3bus2k3
12-15-2006, 01:26 AM
For a true 3-way active setup, your going to need 6-channels of amplification. What you can do is use channels 3&4 for your midbass drivers only and then 1&2 could be run to a passive crossover whereby it'll be split to your midrange and tweet.

A simple 3-way crossover can be had from most companies; Kicker, Memphis, Coustic, to name the ones I've looked at.

The most talked about midbasses I read about are the Dayton reference 7" (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-374) and 8 (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-376)", ID CX64 (http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/products_page.php?id=cx&type=midrange), AA Poly (http://www.ascendantaudio.com/poly_6.5_page.html) and Adire Extremi 6.8 (http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194172). You cant go wrong with either of those choices really.

Midranges: Usually the dayton 2" (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=285-020), vifa D75 (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=264-550) or the Coustic Reference DR-304P (http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194172).

Tweets: Theres wayyy too many to list and link and my clickin finger is tired, lol. Dayton RS (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=275-130), Dayton DC25 (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=275-045), Seas, vifa, scan speak, Morel, Rainbow Cal25 (http://www.premier-audio.com/Rainbow-CAL-25-Fabric-Tweeter-p/rainbow%20cal%2025%20fabric.htm)...

We can all speculate as to which speaker is the best of the bunch but they're all going to sound different in everyone's different install. It just comes down to what you like and what fits the budget...

dalucifer
12-15-2006, 01:29 AM
i use AA poly mids..And vifa tweets..Set cost me around 120..Gets loud and sounds great..

Kenny Pollock
12-15-2006, 08:53 AM
So I'm gonna pickup a Sundown 100.2 and have 6 channels at hand...

Which crossover should I buy? http://www.partsexpress.com/webpage.cfm?&Webpage_ID=3&CAT_ID=48&ObjectGroup_ID=194&SO=2

I wanted to go with AA Poly mids, but I've hard nothing but bad tinsel leads... not sure if I want to mess with them.

dbornotdb
12-15-2006, 09:01 AM
So now you want to go with a 3-way set-up?

And those crossovers you linked are passive crossovers.

Kenny Pollock
12-15-2006, 09:03 AM
I'm just getting a lot of conflicting information....


Some say a 3-way setup will be just as loud as what we were planning, just sound better...

I just want to do things right, and not have any problems I have to go back and fix. And I'm a n00b, sorry about the wrong crossover link.

dbornotdb
12-15-2006, 09:15 AM
Thats cool, a good 3 way will sound better than the 2 way, but more amps needed to do so.

Like was mentioned earlier, you need an electric crossover.

azngotskills
12-15-2006, 02:23 PM
OK i will make it easy for you and give you what I would do. Here are the drivers:

Tweeter: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=275-130
Midrange: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=285-020
Midbass: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-376

Each driver will have its own channel of amplification using the 100.4 and 100.2. You dont need and external crossover, just use your prs880 for crossing your tweet, mirdrange, and midbass drivers and you amp to low pass your subs. TA on the prs880 can only be used for the frontstage, but since lower frequencies are really localized justing adjusting phase should be ok.

Front RCAs to tweeters, Rear RCAs to midrange, and Sub RCA to midbass and sub (you will need to split the RCAs using RCA y-splitters for this). HP tweets at ~4000hz, BP midrange ~4500k-600hz, BP or LP midbass ~500-63hz, and LP sub ~63hz using the amp crossovers . These are generic crossover points and you need to decide which crossovers frequencies and slopes are specifc for you and your car. The tuning process takes the longest and is the most tedious process in an active setup FYI. Hope this helps and clears any questions :)

ngsm13
12-15-2006, 02:25 PM
Just stick with the 2way.

A LOT less headaches.

nG

Kenny Pollock
12-15-2006, 02:27 PM
Thank you!

I was talking to jntar and j3bus who both recommended the same exact Daytons, so I'm set with those.

Thanks for the information bro!

mlstrass
12-15-2006, 02:35 PM
I'm running 2 pair of the AA poly mids and have never had any tinsel lead slapping problems and I play them plenty loud. Mine are only about 6 months old, so maybe it was the first few runs of them.

Aren't you going CRAZY with the subs? If so I'd personally recommend 2-4 pairs of REV coax's as I doubt KILLER SQ is your goal, so why hassle with comps and going active. REV's will get plenty loud and keep up with your subs and they do sound good...

alphakenny1
12-15-2006, 04:15 PM
to be honest stick with a 2 way front stage. much easier to tune and less on the wallet. i think honestly think with your goals, getting loud and still sound good, a good 2 way setup can do that well. the real advantages to a 3 way up front is staging and imaging also of course tonality. but a 3 way up front you would usually put the midranges in the kicks and hence decreasing the path length differences which is good for imaging. then with midranges in kicks, the speakers are physically farther away from you and hence a deeper stage. but if you just want to get loud and sound good without worrying too much the of staging and imaging, stick to a 2 way.

T3mpest
12-15-2006, 04:52 PM
to be honest stick with a 2 way front stage. much easier to tune and less on the wallet. i think honestly think with your goals, getting loud and still sound good, a good 2 way setup can do that well. the real advantages to a 3 way up front is staging and imaging also of course tonality. but a 3 way up front you would usually put the midranges in the kicks and hence decreasing the path length differences which is good for imaging. then with midranges in kicks, the speakers are physically farther away from you and hence a deeper stage. but if you just want to get loud and sound good without worrying too much the of staging and imaging, stick to a 2 way.

True, I can't imagine going for a 3 way for volume. You might as well just run a whole bunch of 2 way comps if that's your main goal.

theothermike
12-15-2006, 06:12 PM
kenny id say go three way passive, i dont think you really have any idea how much tuning and finding your best x over point, staging and everything it will take. I going 3 way passive with my 100.4 on my cdt hd-642 and that alone will still be much much much tuning and imaging and staging. i would if i were you go with some kicker ss6's or maybe a nice set of rainbow germs or maybe some cdt m6/drt-26 tweets.

Mike

BlackMaxima
12-15-2006, 09:37 PM
OK i will make it easy for you and give you what I would do. Here are the drivers:

Tweeter: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=275-130
Midrange: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=285-020
Midbass: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-376

Each driver will have its own channel of amplification using the 100.4 and 100.2. You dont need and external crossover, just use your prs880 for crossing your tweet, mirdrange, and midbass drivers and you amp to low pass your subs. TA on the prs880 can only be used for the frontstage, but since lower frequencies are really localized justing adjusting phase should be ok.

Front RCAs to tweeters, Rear RCAs to midrange, and Sub RCA to midbass and sub (you will need to split the RCAs using RCA y-splitters for this). HP tweets at ~4000hz, BP midrange ~4500k-600hz, BP or LP midbass ~500-63hz, and LP sub ~63hz using the amp crossovers . These are generic crossover points and you need to decide which crossovers frequencies and slopes are specifc for you and your car. The tuning process takes the longest and is the most tedious process in an active setup FYI. Hope this helps and clears any questions :)


he can also use a ARC Audio MX-3, 3-way active crossover


as a 3-way setup, and you dont realy need 3 amps for a 3way setup. you can use the MX3 and 3 amps or you can use a MX1 for a 2-way or 3-way setup.


PS: i would say go 2-way setup, the 4chn amp you have plus the MX1 is perfect for a 2way
PSS: go passive, its cheaper.


HERE:
http://www.arcaudio.com/arc-05/pdf/MX1.pdf

Kenny Pollock
12-16-2006, 03:18 AM
OK, then answer this:

What speakers should I get for a 2-way active setup?
I have a 100x4 amplifier at hand, and a Pioneer Premier DEH-P880PRS for the crossover.

Goals: LOUD, nice sounding and able to keep up with my sub stage.

B_Campbell
12-16-2006, 03:22 AM
Get some horns, or some really nice tweeters and some dayton 8's or something along the lines of that.

I am going to be running ID CD3 Ultra horns and DD 6.5LT mids 2 way active.

azngotskills
12-16-2006, 03:38 AM
I honestly would have to agree forgot about horns....prolly some ID horns and 7/8 midbass (XXX mid, adire extremis, IDQs) get LOUD :) Lots easier than a 3-way, but can you fit horns?

BlackMaxima
12-16-2006, 05:05 AM
OK, then answer this:

What speakers should I get for a 2-way active setup?
I have a 100x4 amplifier at hand, and a Pioneer Premier DEH-P880PRS for the crossover.

Goals: LOUD, nice sounding and able to keep up with my sub stage.


you already have the amp, the H/U.
you need a active crossover and speakers
crossover get the arcaudio MX1 its around $150 i think
for the speakers, any speaker youve seen in this thread will work.
for example:
DAYTON RS180-4 7" http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=295-374
and
MOREL MDT-30 http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=277-015

forget horns

alphakenny1
12-16-2006, 05:07 AM
you already have the amp, the H/U.
you need a active crossover and speakers
crossover get the arcaudio MX1 its around $150 i think
for the speakers, any speaker youve seen in this thread will work.

forget horns

lol, dude he has the 880prs that already has a built in 3 way xover.

BlackMaxima
12-16-2006, 05:28 AM
lol, dude he has the 880prs that already has a built in 3 way xover.


yea it does have a 3-Way Crossover
i forgot about the built in Crossover
in that case forget the MX1
i still say do a 2way

helotaxi
12-16-2006, 12:30 PM
The amps have crossovers in them that should do everything as well.

Fred85
12-20-2006, 05:17 PM
i like this simple rule: an active 2-way setup will sound better than a passive 3-way setup with proper tuning on each

the great thing about active is you get individual control over each speaker, which gives you more flexibility in placement........with passives, for the most part, you have to focus on the axis of each speaker, which is a pain to do with a 3-way setup

an active 3-way setup can be great, if you feel like doing the x-over freq. and octave and gain tuning as well as have a place for the amplification you'll need

an active 2-way is a little easier and the more appropriate route to take for most people with daily drivers imo

j3bus2k3
12-20-2006, 05:19 PM
i like this simple rule: an active 2-way setup will sound better than a passive 3-way setup with proper tuning on each

the great thing about active is you get individual control over each speaker, which gives you more flexibility in placement........with passives, for the most part, you have to focus on the axis of each speaker, which is a pain to do with a 3-way setup

an active 3-way setup can be great, if you feel like doing the x-over freq. and octave and gain tuning as well as have a place for the amplification you'll need

an active 2-way is a little easier and the more appropriate route to take for most people with daily drivers imo

Thats probably the best post made by a recent member with <50 posts... :thumbsup:

SQChevy
12-20-2006, 05:56 PM
Thats probably the best post made by a recent member with <50 posts... :thumbsup:

X2 couldn't have said it much better myself