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bjfish11
12-13-2006, 09:08 PM
Heres what we got. 3.5 @ 32 Hz. Gave him one hell of a deal. (Need to buy some Christmas gifts, and Im broke ATM :uhoh: )
I know all you want to see, are pics, so here they are.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1999/tommynguyen001nd3.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen001nd3.jpg)

Couple sheets of Trupan.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/474/tommynguyen002cd2.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen002cd2.jpg)

Just to prove it.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6330/tommynguyen003pt2.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen003pt2.jpg)

The weapon :naughty:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3381/tommynguyen006ca8.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen006ca8.jpg)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3096/tommynguyen009pa8.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen009pa8.jpg)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/526/tommynguyen012hh3.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen012hh3.jpg)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6897/tommynguyen013rs8.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen013rs8.jpg)

Routered groove.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9436/tommynguyen016ow3.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen016ow3.jpg)

Rabbeted edges.

bjfish11
12-13-2006, 09:08 PM
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9228/tommynguyen017lq4.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen017lq4.jpg)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9436/tommynguyen018fu2.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen018fu2.jpg)

Rounded port edges.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1426/tommynguyen020bq0.th.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen020bq0.jpg)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7058/tommynguyen021ev7.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen021ev7.jpg)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7109/tommynguyen022we8.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen022we8.jpg)

And of course...the always popular gloss black paint. (And yes, its that glossy, thats my reflection in the paint. :D


Thats all for tonight. Must wait for the paint to dry. Tomorrow night will be assembly night. Get it all put together and everything else routered. Then more paint. Carpet to follow the next night. Then it will be loaded up in the little yellow truck and off to Tommy.

saywhat?
12-13-2006, 09:13 PM
you even look ugly as a shadow/reflection :) LOL jfwy man, wish I had that type of equipment and room.

bjfish11
12-13-2006, 09:53 PM
you even look ugly as a shadow/reflection :) LOL jfwy man, wish I had that type of equipment and room.

Hey, take it easy on me man. :crap:
Yea the room is nice, but my usable work area is about to get MUUUUCH smaller.

Rawr-DQ
12-13-2006, 10:05 PM
I'd love to have a shop over working on the porch, weather permitting.

Calikid
12-13-2006, 10:08 PM
****




gN

Fattony911
12-13-2006, 10:42 PM
cool looks good, waht are the subs?

bjfish11
12-13-2006, 10:43 PM
12w6v2's

BassAce
12-13-2006, 10:49 PM
How do like the Trupan vs. regular mdf, how much did you get it for and a rough percentage of how much lighter is it to you?

jacka
12-13-2006, 10:53 PM
just wondering, what will the final dimensions of that box be?

saywhat?
12-13-2006, 10:53 PM
hes talked about that before....search for it. he said it wasnt a crap load lighter, and cost about the same if i remember correctly.

build looks good man, just giving you some **** :)

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 08:28 AM
Actually Grant, that was my comparison of Trupan to Birch. The weight is nearly the same but birch is a little more expensive. When you compare Trupan to regular MDF, its nearly double the price (~$28-30 a sheet) and weighs in at 80% the total weight of MDF. Its quite a bit lighter. A sheet weights 76 lbs IIRC, and a sheet of MDF weighs near 100. Also, I think Trupan cuts and routes much easier, and I think it holds screws much better also.

IonSQL
12-14-2006, 11:18 AM
Looking great as always.... you're my hero :)

lilmaniac2
12-14-2006, 11:22 AM
for that much id buy birch.... but as always good work man

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 03:25 PM
for that much id buy birch.... but as always good work man

Birch is still more expensive. I believe $.25 more per sq foot. Its only like .1 lbs lighter per sq foot, so there isnt an advantage. Plus I have Trupan available whenever I need it (where I work) vs. special ordering in 3/4" birch. Not worth it, IMO.

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 03:25 PM
Looking great as always.... you're my hero :)

Thanks man.

saywhat?
12-14-2006, 03:37 PM
ah, i knew you did some sort of comparison, and couldn't make sure on which it was. you know you do good work, so theres no reason to state that. What all type of clamps do you use? What 90* ones?

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 03:46 PM
Only clamps I use are 90* ones. Only place I really use them is on the port. Because everywhere else has the nice little groove to guarantee its straight. Thats what I love about the rabbeted edge/ groove system.

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 08:37 PM
Update in about an hour or so ;)

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 09:45 PM
Here are the screws I use. More on them later.
http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/5685/tommynguyen028kq2.th.jpg (http://img437.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen028kq2.jpg)

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6058/tommynguyen029dz8.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen029dz8.jpg)

Onto the build.....

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/9237/tommynguyen033mp7.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen033mp7.jpg)
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8360/tommynguyen035rh0.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen035rh0.jpg)
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/4194/tommynguyen037yo8.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen037yo8.jpg)
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/4041/tommynguyen038ie2.th.jpg (http://img333.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen038ie2.jpg)
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/9456/tommynguyen039gb8.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen039gb8.jpg)
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/6394/tommynguyen040xd8.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen040xd8.jpg)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/885/tommynguyen041lw5.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen041lw5.jpg)
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8593/tommynguyen042eq0.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen042eq0.jpg)

PV Audio
12-14-2006, 09:48 PM
Are those torx?

saywhat?
12-14-2006, 09:48 PM
can you take some pics of how you line things up? I know how you do the sides, but do you do it on all edges or what?

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 09:50 PM
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/244/tommynguyen043ns8.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen043ns8.jpg)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6974/tommynguyen047eg7.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen047eg7.jpg)
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1565/tommynguyen050bd4.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen050bd4.jpg)

saywhat?
12-14-2006, 09:50 PM
looks like the star bits, if thats torx bits....

Pyro_By_Nature
12-14-2006, 09:53 PM
Actually Grant, that was my comparison of Trupan to Birch. The weight is nearly the same but birch is a little more expensive. When you compare Trupan to regular MDF, its nearly double the price (~$28-30 a sheet) and weighs in at 80% the total weight of MDF. Its quite a bit lighter. A sheet weights 76 lbs IIRC, and a sheet of MDF weighs near 100. Also, I think Trupan cuts and routes much easier, and I think it holds screws much better also.

Actually I've heard sheets of 3/4" MDF (and I've seen it on a few papers) weigh 109-120 ish.Either way, pretty heavy.

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 09:55 PM
Are those torx?

You know it. They are some special yellow zinc deck screws we special ordered for a customer, who never ended up paying for them. So one of the guys where I work, gave them to me. We sell a similar deck screw that comes in a 2.5 lb package, and they run 39.99!!! Around $16 per lb! These screws are AWESOME. They self-countersink nicely. They have little "ribs" on the inside that cut away at the wood as they are being driven in. To show you how powerful and nice they work, look at this. This is what would happen if I dont let off the trigger on my drill.
**This is not the box Im working on, this was a scrap piece to show what these screws can do**

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6959/tommynguyen051tt1.th.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen051tt1.jpg)
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3682/tommynguyen052ke0.th.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen052ke0.jpg)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7807/tommynguyen053en4.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen053en4.jpg)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5606/tommynguyen056kl4.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen056kl4.jpg)

All the way through the panel. ;)
These things pull everything together nicely.

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 09:57 PM
can you take some pics of how you line things up? I know how you do the sides, but do you do it on all edges or what?

Its pretty simple. Just flush everything up with my fingers. Hold it, predrill, screw. Nothing real special about it, really. Just dont rush, or it wont get flush.

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 09:59 PM
Actually I've heard sheets of 3/4" MDF (and I've seen it on a few papers) weigh 109-120 ish.Either way, pretty heavy.

Yea, it will vary, depending on brand, and where the lumber originally comes from. Those numbers are from the material we stock.

PV Audio
12-14-2006, 10:02 PM
All the way through the panel. ;)
These things pull everything together nicely.
Yeap, I snagged a box of them from my neighbor's house (he has some remodeling done and the people left lots of nails and such behind), tried it on a butt joint using the same technique as my regular Fasners screws, and it went down to the joint :D

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 10:04 PM
Yeap, I snagged a box of them from my neighbor's house (he has some remodeling done and the people left lots of nails and such behind), tried it on a butt joint using the same technique as my regular Fasners screws, and it went down to the joint :D

Yea, I couldnt believe it. But for the price people pay for those, ****. I about **** the first time I saw the price of those things on our shelves.

saywhat?
12-14-2006, 10:09 PM
so you just rabbit the side pieces? and the back/bottom for the sides to sit in? thats what I dont get. Do you make it like a tongue/groove joint, or is it just clean cuts

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 10:13 PM
so you just rabbit the side pieces? and the back/bottom for the sides to sit in? thats what I dont get. Do you make it like a tongue/groove joint, or is it just clean cuts

I rabbet the edges of the side. Then the groove gets cut in the back,bottom,front,top to accept the rabbeted edges of the sides. For the other joints, where say, the back/bottom join, its just a regular but joint.
This make more sense?

M@nJo
12-14-2006, 10:41 PM
sweet, cant wait to hear this box.


big vouch to bjfish11, excellent customer service and best prices i could find for a custom made box. thanks again Fisher for the worklog and box build.:thumbupw:

bjfish11
12-14-2006, 11:06 PM
sweet, cant wait to hear this box.


big vouch to bjfish11, excellent customer service and best prices i could find for a custom made box. thanks again Fisher for the worklog and box build.:thumbupw:

Not a problem man. You have been a good guy to deal with. It will be on its way to you Monday morning. Ill have finished pics of it up on Saturday sometime. Wont get to it tomorrow night, but wont matter, because DHL doesnt pick up on Sats anyways.

PV Audio
12-15-2006, 08:15 AM
Yeah, Fishface is a good guy to do business with

bjfish11
12-15-2006, 01:42 PM
Yeah, Fishface is a good guy to do business with

:D Thanks buddy.

CBFryman2
12-15-2006, 01:54 PM
Turpan Makes me laugh.

Not because it isnt good...just because of what it 'is'. Lightweight Medium Density Fiberbord as if you can alter weight and not alter volume while it still being the same density.

Anyway...I'm a nerd.


Good work.

bjfish11
12-16-2006, 08:28 AM
So since birch is a little bit lighter yet, it isnt as good to use? I think you will find a lot of people that disagree with you here.

xluben
12-16-2006, 09:43 AM
Turpan Makes me laugh.

Not because it isnt good...just because of what it 'is'. Lightweight Medium Density Fiberbord as if you can alter weight and not alter volume while it still being the same density.

Anyway...I'm a nerd.


Good work.

it will be lighter, obviously.

but that doesn't mean it's not stiffer (which would be ideal, stiff/light)

baseballer1100
12-16-2006, 11:31 AM
So since birch is a little bit lighter yet, it isnt as good to use? I think you will find a lot of people that disagree with you here.

its like that for everything he says. :laugh:

coolahan
12-16-2006, 04:05 PM
nice box build bro props.. i really like your work!

bjfish11
12-16-2006, 05:48 PM
nice box build bro props.. i really like your work!

Thanks man. ;)
Finished pics in a few mins. They are uploading.

bjfish11
12-16-2006, 05:51 PM
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/7167/tommynguyen058is7.th.jpg (http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen058is7.jpg)
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5595/tommynguyen061cn8.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen061cn8.jpg)
http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/4894/tommynguyen064ud3.th.jpg (http://img276.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen064ud3.jpg)
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/8853/tommynguyen067ma0.th.jpg (http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen067ma0.jpg)
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6706/tommynguyen068ug6.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tommynguyen068ug6.jpg)

bjfish11
12-16-2006, 05:51 PM
Box will ship monday morning. Tracking info pm'ed to M@nJo.
Thanks again buddy.

saywhat?
12-16-2006, 05:54 PM
I rabbet the edges of the side. Then the groove gets cut in the back,bottom,front,top to accept the rabbeted edges of the sides. For the other joints, where say, the back/bottom join, its just a regular but joint.
This make more sense?

yah, makes sense, but how do you keep the groove in the pieces at the right distance from each edge? If that makes sense. Really your doing a tounge and groove setup, with a rabbit bit, no?

bjfish11
12-16-2006, 05:59 PM
yah, makes sense, but how do you keep the groove in the pieces at the right distance from each edge? If that makes sense. Really your doing a tounge and groove setup, with a rabbit bit, no?

Well.....it works like this.....
I start with the front panel. I go ahead and glue/screw the front and bottom panel together first. Then, you slide the side pieces in, and slide it as far forward (into the two panels you have already joined) as you can. Then glue/screw them in. Then follow with the back panel, and last the top. It will basically assemble itself. I should do a "How-to Video" because this stuff is hard to explain in words without actually showing how its done.

M@nJo
12-16-2006, 07:15 PM
very nice, thanks for everything.

baseballer1100
12-16-2006, 07:33 PM
I envy your work.

NeverEnuffBass
12-16-2006, 07:38 PM
Actually Grant, that was my comparison of Trupan to Birch. The weight is nearly the same but birch is a little more expensive. When you compare Trupan to regular MDF, its nearly double the price (~$28-30 a sheet) and weighs in at 80% the total weight of MDF. Its quite a bit lighter. A sheet weights 76 lbs IIRC, and a sheet of MDF weighs near 100. Also, I think Trupan cuts and routes much easier, and I think it holds screws much better also.

Trupan cuts and routes like a hot knife in butter. I love using that stuff.

baseballer1100
12-16-2006, 07:39 PM
I wanna try that **** but i cant find it anywhere near me?

bjfish11
12-16-2006, 07:48 PM
I wanna try that **** but i cant find it anywhere near me?

Cover shipping and Ill send you a sheet ;)

baseballer1100
12-16-2006, 07:49 PM
That would be ridiculous no?

bjfish11
12-16-2006, 09:03 PM
That would be ridiculous no?

As a full sheet.....probably.
But I could cut it up and ship it to you, them in wouldnt cost more than 15-20 bucks shipping plus however much I send you.

baseballer1100
12-17-2006, 12:15 AM
That would actually be amazing. Ill have to let you know on that.

bjfish11
12-17-2006, 12:35 AM
That would actually be amazing. Ill have to let you know on that.

That will work man. :D

GrnEydDvl
12-17-2006, 02:51 AM
Well.....it works like this.....
I start with the front panel. I go ahead and glue/screw the front and bottom panel together first. Then, you slide the side pieces in, and slide it as far forward (into the two panels you have already joined) as you can. Then glue/screw them in. Then follow with the back panel, and last the top. It will basically assemble itself. I should do a "How-to Video" because this stuff is hard to explain in words without actually showing how its done.

I'm definitely interested. Do it, mang.

bigwheel15
12-17-2006, 03:07 AM
Great looking work as always. :)

bjfish11
12-17-2006, 03:12 AM
I'm definitely interested. Do it, mang.

How much? :naughty:

baseballer1100
12-17-2006, 12:06 PM
You should put it on your website and charge people 5 dollars to watch it....But they get unlimited views.

bjfish11
12-17-2006, 12:24 PM
You should put it on your website and charge people 5 dollars to watch it....But they get unlimited views.

Thats an idea. Maybe have to talk to Mario about that.....

baseballer1100
12-17-2006, 12:31 PM
You should do a bunch of tutorials. Like how to cut a full piece of MDf so i can stop getting it cut in half.

bjfish11
12-19-2006, 09:34 PM
Looks like you will get it in time for Christmas. Estimated delievery date of the 22nd. Let me know when you get it and how you like it man. Thanks again.