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Kenny Pollock
12-10-2006, 12:54 AM
I'm looking for "suggestions" ...

I'm doing two mids per door and going with Dayton Reference series from Parts Express... was wondering if I should do 6", 7" or 8" mids? I can probably fit any size comfortable in my door panel with pods, does it really matter?

Also, it would be a four channel and two channel amp to run four mids and two tweeters? Or should I just run four sets of tweeters up front?

Which Dayton tweeter should I go with @ Parts Express? Also, should I go with the "shielded woofer" or just the "woofer"?

</noob questions> thanks.

azngotskills
12-10-2006, 01:00 AM
The size of your mid and its frequency range along with the tweeter detemines what size to use. If you went with the 8in, I would say to get the 2" midrange, and the rs dayton tweeter making it a 3-way fronstage. If you got the 6in or 7in, i think the rs dayton tweeter would be able to match well. The 7in is gonna give you more midbass. Keep in mind im refering to all the of Dayton Reference Line, but there are many more brands and drivers to look at. The shield woofer is really only used for home use.

Kenny Pollock
12-10-2006, 01:11 AM
Thank you, I appreciate it.

Now, using my P880PRS as the crossover, I can't do a three way without a processor, correct?

If so, what's my cheapest route?

azngotskills
12-10-2006, 01:21 AM
Well the cheapest route would be doing the Dayton 7in and the rs tweet. If you have experience tuning, the 8in, 2in, and tweet would be nice ran off your 880 and then have your sub ran off the crossovers of your amp. Note that 3-ways are definately more difficult to tune right compared to a 2-way unless your experienced. I have heard great things from both combos, if it was me personally I would do the 2-way for ease of use.

Kenny Pollock
12-10-2006, 01:23 AM
My whole reason for doing a three way setup is for something louder... I'm going to be into the 150s with my sub setup... and I would like to hear a little bit of music if at all possible from my front stage.

Bolognablake
12-10-2006, 01:30 AM
A Dayton RS 7" woofer and Dayton RS tweeter shouldn't have a problem keeping up with your substage.

That tweeter is no joke, it'll get loud.

Remember that it is a large format tweeter, so it may take a bit of fabrication to get it where you want.

azngotskills
12-10-2006, 01:31 AM
I understand, you might then want to do the 3-way frontstage then because the 8in would give you great midbass, 2in would give you a more defined midrange, and the tweeter would give you your highs. I believe its better for each diver to play certain frequencies that its designed for, especially at high volumes where you might start pushing the drivers.

alteraudiousa
12-10-2006, 11:29 AM
I would try a 8in with a 4in and then a 1in tweeter. I dont like a 8in speaker playing much above 300hz and ith a 2in tweet you'll have to have the 8in play higher than 300hz to blend correctly. I would say get 8in Dayton Ref, 4in CDT HD-4, and the Dayton 4ohm tweeter. Also you could run this completely active or do the 4in and the tweeter on a passive and the 8in active, thus requiring only 1 4ch amp. My .02$

Kenny Pollock
12-12-2006, 07:56 PM
My buddy said I could get two 2-channel Sundowns to run four mids and four tweeters... He said the four mids could be ran off of one 2-channel amp @ 2 ohms.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks,
Kenny

Kenny Pollock
12-12-2006, 09:39 PM
Anyone care to chime in re: ^?

azngotskills
12-12-2006, 09:56 PM
My buddy said I could get two 2-channel Sundowns to run four mids and four tweeters... He said the four mids could be ran off of one 2-channel amp @ 2 ohms.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks,
Kenny

Are you doing front and rear, or all front? Active, passive, or combination?

Kenny Pollock
12-12-2006, 10:17 PM
Are you doing front and rear, or all front? Active, passive, or combination?Front, 2 speakers per door, one tweeter on each door panel and one on each side of the dash/a-pillar... active

maldecido33
12-12-2006, 11:31 PM
you don't need 4 tweeters

i'd go with two 6.5" midwoofers and the one 1 1/8" dome tweeters per door

that would be sick

best a cheapest route for a two-way up front

Kenny Pollock
12-12-2006, 11:55 PM
you don't need 4 tweeters

i'd go with two 6.5" midwoofers and the one 1 1/8" dome tweeters per door

that would be sick

best a cheapest route for a two-way up front
My options with the Dayton Refs are 6, 7 or 8" mids. And wouldn't two speakers and a tweeter per side = 6 speakers total = 3 way?

ballstothewall
12-12-2006, 11:58 PM
If your going with the Dayton Reference, you HAVE to get a tweet that'll drop to a 1.8k~2kHz crossover point. I'm rather fond of my Morel MDT-29's for that job.

mattmcss
12-13-2006, 12:01 AM
6 speakers total does not equal 3 way, you still have two ranges of freq's to use

midbass freqs, and high end freq's

Kenny Pollock
12-13-2006, 12:14 AM
Ah, I get it... sorry for being such a n00bx... we all have to learn right? lol




Someone plan my front stage for me then! Looking to spend under $300 and get LOUD (I plan to have a sub stage producing 155 decibels ;)). Of course I don't expect much sound to be heard through the bass, but I still want it to get loud and sound great even without the subs on. I want to go active.

I have a 4 channel Sundown amp coming (100 watts per channel) and could purchase another amp if needed. Only thing I'm not looking forward to buying is a separate processor or whatever if I'm going three way active....

ngsm13
12-13-2006, 12:21 AM
Get 7's.

I'd go with Ref7 woofers or AA Poly's... and the Vifa XT25... smaller format tweeter.

nG

alteraudiousa
12-13-2006, 12:42 AM
what processer are you going to use again? I would go with the 7in run actively and the 4in and tweeter run off a passive crossover with a HPF set at about 400hz. IIRC the 880 has high/mids/sub when using crossover mode right? If so, high pass the HIGH RCA to play only 400hz and above and use a passive crossover on it to run the 4in and tweeter correctly, and use the MID RCA to run the 7in from like 80-300hz. and the SUB RCA does the sub.

Curel
12-13-2006, 02:11 PM
Get 7's.

I'd go with Ref7 woofers or AA Poly's... and the Vifa XT25... smaller format tweeter.

nG

This is a great suggestion. Very cheap too.

ngsm13
12-13-2006, 02:13 PM
Of course. ;)

nG

ramos
12-13-2006, 02:19 PM
Personally , I'm not all that fond with the daytons for midbass . :)

ngsm13
12-13-2006, 02:21 PM
Personally , I'm not all that fond with the daytons for midbass . :)

Exactly what I told Kenny.

Hehe.

nG

Kenny Pollock
12-13-2006, 02:23 PM
Personally , I'm not all that fond with the daytons for midbass . :)Yeah, nG was telling me about his experiences with Refs and midbass..

OK, I'm gonna run two AA Poly 6.5s per door and one Vifa XT25 per a-pillar (probably)... I have a Sundown Audio 100.4 coming... how would I wire this up with my P880PRS & 100.4?

mattmcss
12-13-2006, 02:26 PM
your going active , think of your 4 ch as two 2 channels

Amp one is for highs , call it the "front" RCA's and set the high pass where you want it

Amp two is for mids, call it "rear" RCA's from the pioneer, and set the lowpass + high pass accordingly, (if 880 prs is capable of bandpass ) (2 ohm) I assume your going to wire the poly's parallel to the amp

ramos
12-13-2006, 02:56 PM
Exactly what I told Kenny.

Hehe.

nG


Yeah, nG was telling me about his experiences with Refs and midbass..

OK, I'm gonna run two AA Poly 6.5s per door and one Vifa XT25 per a-pillar (probably)... I have a Sundown Audio 100.4 coming... how would I wire this up with my P880PRS & 100.4?


In my situtation The Dayton 7's were in very well sealed and deadened doors with 1 1/2" baffles vs . rainbow slc 5 1/4s in 1.5 cuft kicks . The rainbows romp the Dayton's on the low end :)

thehardknoxlife
12-13-2006, 09:41 PM
If your going with the Dayton Reference, you HAVE to get a tweet that'll drop to a 1.8k~2kHz crossover point. I'm rather fond of my Morel MDT-29's for that job.

If it were me I'd source a tweet that would extend down to at least 1.4-1.6khz. I had the 180's crossed @ 2khz behind some BG Neo's and found them rather disturbing. Their sound was best @1.4 but left a huge gap between them and the Neo's I had. I actually still have both set's of drivers that I was going to fill in the gap with a dome mid and put in my beater but I got some Polks really cheap. I could be persuaded to sell them rather cheap. Heavy deadning is a must IMO.

sundownz
12-13-2006, 10:20 PM
3 of 4 of my AA Poly mids have lead slap. The one that doesn't sounds pretty good and has great midbass... although I found it lacking much above 500 Hz compared to my 6" DLS Iridium driver.

Kenny Pollock
12-14-2006, 05:19 PM
Yikes, I keep hearing that from a bunch of people... kind of scared now.

ngsm13
12-14-2006, 06:58 PM
Hmm...

nG

Kenny Pollock
12-14-2006, 09:22 PM
Not sure if I should just sacrifice the mid bass and go with Dayton's... would rather have speakers that don't **** up ;)