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PV Audio
12-02-2006, 11:02 PM
What's that one tool you've got that everytime you use it you think, God, this makes life SOOO much easier. For me, it's definitely tied between my router and DA sander. Both I feel are necessary, but are technically unnecessary. So anyway, what about y'all?

60ndown
12-02-2006, 11:03 PM
jigsaw / screwgun?

amedeuce
12-02-2006, 11:05 PM
Table saw

Calikid
12-02-2006, 11:06 PM
Jasper Jig

amedeuce
12-02-2006, 11:06 PM
Second would be router, how anyone cuts sub/speaker holes without one is beyond me.

Rich B
12-02-2006, 11:07 PM
Band Aids.

Calikid
12-02-2006, 11:08 PM
Band Aids.


i LOL'ed

:laugh:

Rattlebrain
12-02-2006, 11:09 PM
Cold beer.

PepsiFiend69
12-02-2006, 11:12 PM
router, brad nailer, some good tunes while you're constructing. :cool:

PV Audio
12-02-2006, 11:33 PM
Music is a given. I'm going to wire up my garage with some ******** speakers I have in my closet that I made like 3 years ago. THEN we'll be bumpin.

thatkidbob
12-02-2006, 11:34 PM
i'm gonna go with clamps.

tommyk90
12-02-2006, 11:41 PM
Second would be router, how anyone cuts sub/speaker holes without one is beyond me.

Jigsaw? :confused:

I've used my jigsaw for every sub cutout I've ever done....

Abel
12-02-2006, 11:43 PM
rotozip :)

PV Audio
12-02-2006, 11:43 PM
Jigsaw? :confused:

I've used my jigsaw for every sub cutout I've ever done....
I have to agree with him though. My router is my 2nd newest tool behind my table saw, and it's a classic case of how the HELL did I do this before I owned this? I still use my jigsaw for square cutouts, but nothing is faster nor easier for circles than a good router.

PESteele
12-02-2006, 11:50 PM
i like the handsaw alot more than the table. Alot easier to use and perfect cuts every time

PV Audio
12-03-2006, 12:02 AM
i like the handsaw alot more than the table. Alot easier to use and perfect cuts every time
If anything, the table saw should be easier and give you more accurate cuts :)

helotaxi
12-03-2006, 01:01 PM
^^^^ditto that. Unless you messed up the setup on the tablesaw and the blade isn't square...

The router by far gets the most use. Cutting speaker holes, making trim panels, rounding panel edges. I could work without it, but the quality of the results simply wouldn't be the same.

The most convenient thing I have for speeding up tedious jobs is a combination drill with countersink that quickchanges with a phillips bit all in one unit. Drill the holes with the proper countersink and drive the screws all without touching the chuck or finding the right bit.

baseballer1100
12-03-2006, 03:29 PM
Narrow crown stapler. Gallon of titebond. I like all my tools though.

NightHawkFG
12-03-2006, 04:05 PM
rotozip :)

yes the infamous hole saw i love mine as well i can cut a near perfect circle with out a jig.

Immacomputer
12-03-2006, 04:31 PM
Table saw takes the cake for me. I used to use a circular saw and guide but the panels were always off by like a 1/16 and that pissed me off. It is also a pain in the *** not having any tables to work on. I want to buy a table saw but it will have to wait until I'm done with school.

pitbull12888
12-03-2006, 04:32 PM
wood :D ... ummm cordless circular saw i guess

SEVEN_ELEVEN
12-03-2006, 04:36 PM
tape measure??????

supa_c
12-03-2006, 04:36 PM
Jigsaw
You can make a whole enclosure out of one if you are good enough ;)

Rattlebrain
12-03-2006, 04:37 PM
yes the infamous hole saw i love mine as well i can cut a near perfect circle with out a jig.

Really?? Whats your secret??
I hated my RotoZip. Even with the "perfect circle" maker that didn't work worth a flying ****. I gave it to my dad. I can get it back if you can explain how you got it to work for you. I usually just use a jigsaw.

rollerdj
12-03-2006, 04:40 PM
http://www.stilesmachinery.com/equipment/manufacturer/altendorf/index.htm
Thats my fav. box building tool. 27 grand worth of veneer and panel cutting table saw. you just can't get more accurate than with this thing. in a close second, my rotozip. :D

supa_c
12-03-2006, 04:42 PM
i also like my brad nailer, screws are for suckers :p:

baseballer1100
12-03-2006, 11:17 PM
http://www.stilesmachinery.com/equipment/manufacturer/altendorf/index.htm
Thats my fav. box building tool. 27 grand worth of veneer and panel cutting table saw. you just can't get more accurate than with this thing. in a close second, my rotozip. :D

you have that?

coolahan
12-03-2006, 11:37 PM
http://www.stilesmachinery.com/equipment/manufacturer/altendorf/index.htm
Thats my fav. box building tool. 27 grand worth of veneer and panel cutting table saw. you just can't get more accurate than with this thing. in a close second, my rotozip. :D

pertty nice..



jigsaw is mine

Nikuk
12-03-2006, 11:41 PM
router &/or sander.


Jigsaw
You can make a whole enclosure out of one if you are good enough ;)

...i've seen some of Your enclosures.. :(

jmanpc
12-03-2006, 11:42 PM
edit:

my 6x9 hole saw and my wire stretchers

smd4life
12-03-2006, 11:44 PM
edit:

my 6x9 hole saw and my wire stretchers

awesome...

crazy4ozs
12-03-2006, 11:47 PM
supa_c, is that a probe in your sig?

do u own one?

crazy4ozs
12-03-2006, 11:48 PM
oh but fav tool...table saw...a good one...then a router...

supa_c
12-04-2006, 12:37 AM
supa_c, is that a probe in your sig?

do u own one?
LOL
Its a BMW 840ci
I wish i owned one, they are expensive though

supa_c
12-04-2006, 12:38 AM
router &/or sander.



...i've seen some of Your enclosures.. :(

Sander's are for people who cant make proper cuts :p:
You havent seen my latest work ;)

pwnt by pat
12-04-2006, 12:39 AM
I like my tee-square.

jmanpc
12-04-2006, 12:41 AM
anyone else got a 6x9 hole saw? :D

baseballer1100
12-04-2006, 12:42 AM
Sander's are for people who cant make proper cuts :p:
You havent seen my latest work ;)

Let's see some.:naughty:

smd4life
12-04-2006, 12:43 AM
supa_c, is that a probe in your sig?

do u own one?

yep..its a probe with a custom skyline wide body kit and pontiac headlights

thatkidbob
12-04-2006, 12:45 AM
why would a skyline kit have a BMW style grille?

supa_c
12-04-2006, 12:46 AM
Let's see some.:naughty:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3869/p5090001cy1.jpg
Some of my finest work
" DA GHETTONESS"
Loudest enclosure i ever made

baseballer1100
12-04-2006, 12:47 AM
why would a skyline kit have a BMW style grille?

Get out of here.

baseballer1100
12-04-2006, 12:47 AM
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3869/p5090001cy1.jpg
Some of my finest work
" DA GHETTONESS"

So how did it sound. Looks intricate.

supa_c
12-04-2006, 12:48 AM
edited

smd4life
12-04-2006, 12:49 AM
why would a skyline kit have a BMW style grille?

OMG

baseballer1100
12-04-2006, 12:50 AM
edited

What numbers did you put up?

supa_c
12-04-2006, 12:51 AM
None, it was illegal in every singleway

smd4life
12-04-2006, 12:53 AM
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3869/p5090001cy1.jpg


im surprised you even showed that...i thought it was top sectret? :sneaky:

supa_c
12-04-2006, 12:54 AM
:offtopic:
It was tuned to like 80hz

dalucifer
12-04-2006, 12:55 AM
everyone might say WTF, but it was actually fairly loud..sounded decent aswell..surprisingly

baseballer1100
12-04-2006, 12:55 AM
Thats nuts your nuts dalucifer is nuts.

smd4life
12-04-2006, 12:57 AM
everyone might say WTF, but it was actually fairly loud..sounded decent aswell..surprisingly

WTF?

dalucifer
12-04-2006, 12:59 AM
WTF?
:rotflol:

iamamp3pimp
12-04-2006, 12:59 AM
my guide that i made from hardboard and birch

supa_c
12-04-2006, 12:59 AM
The sub didnt fit so we inverted it then used a piece of tape under the motor to hold it up because it was top heavy.

baseballer1100
12-04-2006, 01:00 AM
I like my corner clamps too.

thatkidbob
12-04-2006, 01:01 AM
OMG

Get out of here.
i'm thinking i probably just misinterpreted something...

the way it read to me sounded as though smd was saying that the picture in supa_c's sig was of a probe.

i'm guessing that i was incorrect in that assumption...

ramos
12-04-2006, 09:26 AM
Gonna have to go with a tape measure :)

pwnt by pat
12-04-2006, 09:33 AM
t-square is better. Got a nice ~45 inch tape measure built in ;)

ramos
12-04-2006, 11:34 AM
t-square is better. Got a nice ~45 inch tape measure built in ;)



But I seldom build "square" enclosures. It's a lot easier to bend a tape measure, than a t square :)

I want SExxx
12-04-2006, 11:39 AM
Cigarettes and beer FTW

traksta15
12-04-2006, 11:48 AM
ummm........gonna have to go with my hands on this one. couldn't do ANYTHING without them.

ffkk
12-05-2006, 06:31 AM
^^^^ditto that. Unless you messed up the setup on the tablesaw and the blade isn't square...

The router by far gets the most use. Cutting speaker holes, making trim panels, rounding panel edges. I could work without it, but the quality of the results simply wouldn't be the same.

The most convenient thing I have for speeding up tedious jobs is a combination drill with countersink that quickchanges with a phillips bit all in one unit. Drill the holes with the proper countersink and drive the screws all without touching the chuck or finding the right bit.

I went shopping for a tool like that but was not sure of the diameter and length of the pilot bit and the countersink. Whats the specs of yours and what size screws do you use i.e. length and diameter?

rollerdj
12-05-2006, 06:52 AM
I went shopping for a tool like that but was not sure of the diameter and length of the pilot bit and the countersink. Whats the specs of yours and what size screws do you use i.e. length and diameter?


your best bet would be to take the screws that use use the most and take it to a hardware store and tell em that u need a countersink bit for this screw. that way you know your going to get the right one the first time....



PS, yes, i have 4 of those table saws here at the plant. you just can't get a better cut than with one of those.

ffkk
12-05-2006, 07:20 AM
your best bet would be to take the screws that use use the most and take it to a hardware store and tell em that u need a countersink bit for this screw. that way you know your going to get the right one the first time....



PS, yes, i have 4 of those table saws here at the plant. you just can't get a better cut than with one of those.

Thx.

ramos
12-05-2006, 07:57 AM
I went shopping for a tool like that but was not sure of the diameter and length of the pilot bit and the countersink. Whats the specs of yours and what size screws do you use i.e. length and diameter?

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Power+Tool+Accessories&pid=00925824000&vertical=TOOL&subcat=Drill+Bits&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes

That's similar to the set I use . Mine is just a little older . Very easy to use , and saves you the trouble of having to constantly change bits :)

saywhat?
12-05-2006, 08:04 AM
the drywall screws we use msot times, needs a number 6 predrill.

saywhat?
12-05-2006, 08:06 AM
my guide that i made from hardboard and birch

making one shortly ;)

954runner
12-05-2006, 08:13 AM
id have to say my right angle straight edge, or screw gun.

nVRuckus
12-05-2006, 08:21 AM
router FTW.

bballrrt06
12-05-2006, 08:47 AM
your best bet would be to take the screws that use use the most and take it to a hardware store and tell em that u need a countersink bit for this screw. that way you know your going to get the right one the first time....



PS, yes, i have 4 of those table saws here at the plant. you just can't get a better cut than with one of those.

"the plant" would you own said plant?

helotaxi
12-05-2006, 12:09 PM
I went shopping for a tool like that but was not sure of the diameter and length of the pilot bit and the countersink. Whats the specs of yours and what size screws do you use i.e. length and diameter?

I got mine at HD. Made by DeWalt. Cost like $15. Came with 3 different size bits and countersink cutters for each. Here's a link:

http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/accessory_category_detail.asp?categoryID=581

Flipx99
12-05-2006, 12:13 PM
I am actually looking for that wire looking thing they had a booth at dbDrag finals. It looks like a long roll that can be bent around stuff and then placed on a sheet of mdf for tracing. I looked for it at local shops.

I think the booth was mobile dynamics or something like that. The roll is maybe 2 or 3 feet long and made out of some kind of rubbe.r

Big Dee
12-05-2006, 12:14 PM
I love my table saw. Routers are fun too.

colgatekillaa
12-05-2006, 01:57 PM
i really want a table saw, make things so much easier...
by the way you can cut a good enough circle with just a jigsaw, i practice on as many pieces of spare wood that i have before i cut the real holes, just gotta go real slow.

helotaxi
12-05-2006, 02:43 PM
I am actually looking for that wire looking thing they had a booth at dbDrag finals. It looks like a long roll that can be bent around stuff and then placed on a sheet of mdf for tracing. I looked for it at local shops.

I think the booth was mobile dynamics or something like that. The roll is maybe 2 or 3 feet long and made out of some kind of rubbe.r

You can get one in the drafting section of Office depot. Less than $10 IIRC

ngsm13
12-05-2006, 03:03 PM
Brad Nailer.

nG

ffkk
12-06-2006, 04:01 AM
thx to helotaxi and ramos!

Who knows the specs of screws and pilot holes one would recommend for different sizes of MDF. If you do, perhaps the table below could be completed.


MDF SIZE Screw length & Thickness Pilot hole length & thickness
0.75"
1"

I assume the countersink size would depend on the diameter of the screw head and the perhaps the pilot hole length should be the length of the screw being used.

To "Saywhat?": What's a number 6 predrill?

helotaxi
12-06-2006, 12:20 PM
It's a number 6 bit. Basically the thickness of a #8 screw minus the threads. That is the amount of material you need to remove to keep the wood from splitting when you put the screw in. The screw only needs to cut for the thread, no additional material is being displaced by the shaft of the screw.

I use a 1 1/4" #8 screw for just about everything but I don't normally work with 1" stock. I'd probably step up to 1 1/2 or 1 3/4 if I was going to use that. I also make sure the pilot hole is at least the depth that the screw is going into the material and usually about 1/4" more just to make sure I don't split it. The countersink I make sure is deep enough to at least flush the srcrewhead with the surface. If I'm planning to fill and finish the surface with the screw in it, I'll recess it about 1/16" below the surface to give me a pocket to hold whatever filler I'm oin to use.

HotCarl
12-06-2006, 12:20 PM
my hands.

ramos
12-06-2006, 01:57 PM
Brad Nailer.

nG

$10 brad nailer that has lasted through a gajillion enclosures ftw :)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/moyerme/wickedone024.jpg

helotaxi
12-06-2006, 02:09 PM
If you're going to start listing air tools, wouldn't the compressor be the tool you can't live without? ;)

ngsm13
12-06-2006, 02:20 PM
$10 brad nailer that has lasted through a gajillion enclosures ftw :)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/moyerme/wickedone024.jpg

I have a Hitachi one that shoots 1.75" brads I do believe... love it.


If you're going to start listing air tools, wouldn't the compressor be the tool you can't live without? ;)

Sure.

:p:
;)

nG

ramos
12-06-2006, 02:59 PM
If you're going to start listing air tools, wouldn't the compressor be the tool you can't live without? ;)



Nah , I can get by without the air tools . I would be lost without a tape measure though :)

helotaxi
12-06-2006, 03:03 PM
I would be lost without a tape measure though :)

Big fan of the pencil myself actually...

lilmaniac2
12-06-2006, 03:03 PM
jasper jig > all

iamamp3pimp
12-06-2006, 03:16 PM
contracter's penciils @ the flush trim bit.

PV Audio
12-06-2006, 06:58 PM
Yeah now that I realize it, the jasper jig is probably the greatest tool that I own. So ******* easy to use, and perfect to the T every time.

supa_c
12-06-2006, 08:24 PM
I can make a jasper jig...

PV Audio
12-06-2006, 08:27 PM
I can make one too, I've got some made out of cardboard. The thing is, for the money, you can make like 1000 or something different circles just by moving a little stick. No measuring required.

supa_c
12-06-2006, 08:42 PM
out of plexi :p:

photocrazy8
12-06-2006, 08:46 PM
I can make a jasper jig...

x2 i did yesterday out of card board, worked perfect

photocrazy8
12-06-2006, 08:47 PM
favorite tool would be the router or air drill for pre drilling, or DA sander for nocking down rough edges

supa_c
12-06-2006, 08:48 PM
I made out out of hardboard, worked well except the screws on the bottom kept cutting into the wood because they werent recessed. I just broke it and threw it away
Cordless> air

PV Audio
12-06-2006, 08:58 PM
Supa, did you draw that 840? That's an excellent rendering if you did.

supa_c
12-06-2006, 09:02 PM
I wish.
I swooped it from someone :up2somet:

iamamp3pimp
12-06-2006, 09:33 PM
my circle jig is made from hardboard (1/4 inch)

i coundersunk the screws too, so its just flippin pimp.

PV Audio
12-06-2006, 09:35 PM
Aren't we special!

:D

CBFryman2
12-06-2006, 09:35 PM
Clamps... You can never have too many clamps of too many different types even if you are building with screws. Routers are nice too and I'm getting one for Xmas.

sws10
12-06-2006, 09:37 PM
el tapo measuro

smd4life
12-06-2006, 09:39 PM
i'm thinking i probably just misinterpreted something...

the way it read to me sounded as though smd was saying that the picture in supa_c's sig was of a probe.

i'm guessing that i was incorrect in that assumption...

dude...thats an 8 series BMW, far from a probe

CBFryman2
12-06-2006, 09:41 PM
el tapo measuro

That is only minutely essential. :rolleyes:

supa_c
12-06-2006, 09:47 PM
I dont find tape measures all that fun

NightHawkFG
12-06-2006, 09:48 PM
Really?? Whats your secret??
I hated my RotoZip. Even with the "perfect circle" maker that didn't work worth a flying ****. I gave it to my dad. I can get it back if you can explain how you got it to work for you. I usually just use a jigsaw.
with the right bit i just follow a pre scoured line cutslike butter. Of course i dont have a rotosip i have an black & Decker hole saw.

PV Audio
12-06-2006, 09:56 PM
I don't think that tape measures really even count for this because that's a necessary thing, not something that makes everything easier that you could get by without.

thatkidbob
12-06-2006, 10:02 PM
dude...thats an 8 series BMW, far from a probe
right, which is why i said that it sounded to me like you were saying it WAS a probe lol...

thats why i said something along the lines of "why would a skyline kit have a bmw grille?" because you mentioned something about a custom widebody skyline kit...

supa_c
12-06-2006, 10:08 PM
whatever, lets just drop it and just gaze at my car in awe :cool:

PV Audio
12-06-2006, 10:14 PM
Or in disgust :D

supa_c
12-06-2006, 10:15 PM
someone asking for a :ban:

PV Audio
12-06-2006, 10:19 PM
I don't have to ask for a ban to get one :laugh:

ramos
12-07-2006, 09:02 AM
I don't think that tape measures really even count for this because that's a necessary thing, not something that makes everything easier that you could get by without.


You could get by without a tape measure . Judging by some of the work I have seen posted here it looks like some people do :)

jmanpc
12-07-2006, 09:08 AM
lawl

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6347/flakko8ik.jpg

CBFryman2
12-07-2006, 09:13 AM
You could get by without a tape measure . Judging by some of the work I have seen posted here it looks like some people do :)

I could pull it off. :laugh:

ramos
12-07-2006, 10:26 AM
Fook that , I would rather spend a little extra time measuring to avoid having to break out the sander and or flush trim :)

ramos
12-07-2006, 10:28 AM
lawl

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6347/flakko8ik.jpg


No offense man ( saw your post in the feedback section ) but I was thinking more along the lines of some of the masterpieces I have seen being sold from " Box builders " on here . Think you know who I'm talking bout :)

TheOtherSide
12-07-2006, 11:58 PM
my circle jig is made from hardboard (1/4 inch)

i coundersunk the screws too, so its just flippin pimp.

Routers with jigs are the best tools for anything. You could make an entire box with a router. Get a straight edge, a spiral upcut bit in a router and some wood and have at it.

My next two closest fav's would be the table saw and bessey clamps.

djman37
12-08-2006, 01:06 AM
No offense man ( saw your post in the feedback section ) but I was thinking more along the lines of some of the masterpieces I have seen being sold from " Box builders " on here . Think you know who I'm talking bout :)

i've been waiting on the pics of those famous speakers to show up!:D

wood glue was number 1 for me. Jasper's not crap w/o a router though. Every box-building tool i buy becomes 'necessary' very quickly.

PV Audio
12-08-2006, 07:12 AM
You could get by without a tape measure . Judging by some of the work I have seen posted here it looks like some people do :)
I've always used a tape measurer...just not a straight edge :D

96GTIVR6
12-08-2006, 07:14 AM
I've always used a tape measurer...just not a straight edge :D

Awww... Good old Lemans23's first few box builds for the win. Seen some caulk lately?

PV Audio
12-08-2006, 07:37 AM
Nah, not recently. I sold all of my Lowes shares once I wasn't buying their entire shipments of window and door silicone :D