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mikey060
11-08-2006, 01:47 AM
well i was thinking at school today about a new box idea and i put together a design that looked something like a man holding his arms up bent at the elbow. Anyhow, when i got home i punched some numbers and thought up a design which will either work or will be crap. It is bassically a <1cf enclosure with 2 40" long aeros coming out either side, with an elbow on each and firing up though the rear speaker holes in the rear deck . I just had some scrap 3/4 mdf laying around so i made some cuts(with a jig saw:naughty: ) and glue/nailed the enclosure together. the dimensions are 13.5X13.5x10(exterior) and wehn completed should be tuned to about 32 Hz. Now onto the pics
Cuts made, also the sub being used(12" kenwood kfc-w3005)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3/img1309pn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

box almost built...
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3988/img1311jj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
box built
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2360/img1312ql4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
installed without ports and kenwood mono amp which will give it 250ish
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8049/img1314hs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

anyways, tommarow it will be finished and all the leaks will be filled:p: . who knows, maybe i will throw the A2400Db at it...

discuss...im curious what you all think of the disign? and im sure im not the first to do it, but i havent ever seen this particular design done before

btw, check out the ghetto wiring lol

ffkk
11-08-2006, 05:22 AM
Hi

What car is that, and where's the ports?

Immacomputer
11-08-2006, 08:45 AM
Hi

What car is that, and where's the ports?

You can't see it in the third picture? It's about .25" high and about .75" deep and extends across the box....

saywhat?
11-08-2006, 08:53 AM
im really fuggin confused...

bballrrt06
11-08-2006, 09:04 AM
You can't see it in the third picture? It's about .25" high and about .75" deep and extends across the box....

:laugh:

let us know how it goes....

mikey060
11-08-2006, 11:01 AM
LMAO:laugh:


no no, there are no ports yet..it will be ported today, then you will see what the **** i am talking about lol. here i will do a sketch on paint to give you an idea of what it will look like.

The car is a 95 Grand Prix SE

:laugh: thanks for the replies

mikey060
11-08-2006, 11:10 AM
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/9734/tehsubboxkq6.png (http://imageshack.us)

there ya go

mikey060
11-08-2006, 11:18 AM
You can't see it in the third picture? It's about .25" high and about .75" deep and extends across the box....

horray for using a jig saw:laugh:

skadude016
11-08-2006, 11:23 AM
so how wide are your ports?

gl0ck
11-08-2006, 11:28 AM
looks thought out.

mikey060
11-08-2006, 11:28 AM
4"

it seems like way to much port. but i guess i'll find out

skadude016
11-08-2006, 11:29 AM
4"

it seems like way to much port. but i guess i'll find out

yup way way to much port lol

mikey060
11-08-2006, 11:29 AM
looks thought out.

...sarcasm? haha

mikey060
11-08-2006, 11:30 AM
yup way way to much port lol

haha eh, i will lower the box volume if i have to

gl0ck
11-08-2006, 11:32 AM
VidS OR DIE!!!!

CBFryman2
11-08-2006, 11:36 AM
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/9734/tehsubboxkq6.png (http://imageshack.us)

there ya go

worst diagram ever.

It would be better if you mounted the box to the bottom of the deck.

ssj2xxgotenxx
11-08-2006, 01:57 PM
worst diagram ever.

It would be better if you mounted the box to the bottom of the deck.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/ssj2xxgotenxx/ga.jpg

What he said + Fiberglass / MDF baffles to make the ports mount flush in the 6x9 location / no janky wiring job.

mikey060
11-08-2006, 04:42 PM
well im finished the box. it unimpressed me with the kenwood in it, running off of the kenwood amp. but after school i will throw the Apocalypse in and do some damage:up2somet:
aeroport+elbows
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3139/img1315ac0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
port holes cut out
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7406/img1316jb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
ports in place and screwed in
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/343/img1318hc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7701/img1319xd8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
In trunk
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/8906/img1325uw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mikey060
11-08-2006, 04:43 PM
worst diagram ever.

It would be better if you mounted the box to the bottom of the deck.

haha werd, took like 2 seconds

anyways, ya i was considering that but there wasnt as much room as i imagined

mikey060
11-08-2006, 04:45 PM
look at those cute aeros
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/858/img1321ab6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
uh oh, where did they go?http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/8841/img1323sk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)'

mikey060
11-08-2006, 04:48 PM
VidS OR DIE!!!!

when AP is installed ina few hours, then the mayhem will be filmed:eek:

mikey060
11-08-2006, 04:49 PM
last pic
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5223/img1326dg5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thanks for all the feedback.please discuss further, i would like to know what everyone think of the design. i think given more design time and not just kinda thrown together, this design could have a lot of potential

LeofromtheH
11-08-2006, 04:50 PM
lolwow, looks like some type of plumbing mishap

Flipx99
11-08-2006, 04:54 PM
I wonder what it's tuned to?

grillman6000
11-08-2006, 05:03 PM
lolwow, looks like some type of plumbing mishap

lol X2....thats wut im sayin...

BayAreaBass
11-08-2006, 05:22 PM
lolwow, looks like some type of plumbing mishap

rofl

kicker06
11-08-2006, 05:29 PM
How does it sound? A lot louder than before?

Those Cover's will restrict airflow, a lot.

Cam
11-08-2006, 05:54 PM
So if it works out are you gonna take it apart and make it like... good?

Immacomputer
11-08-2006, 06:17 PM
I think the design looks pretty terrible and the construction even worse. The ports completely firing into the cabin and the sub completely in the trunk would seem to cause a peak around tuning and very limited output above tuning. The port is not the only contributing part of the system. If this was a bandpass enclosure, it would be a different story. Here, you're going to deal with a ton of reflections coming from the trunk and you could get some serious cancelation problems due to the difference of distance.

It also appears to be tuned pretty high.

mikey060
11-08-2006, 06:33 PM
lolwow, looks like some type of plumbing mishap

lol no ****.

mikey060
11-08-2006, 06:37 PM
I think the design looks pretty terrible and the construction even worse. The ports completely firing into the cabin and the sub completely in the trunk would seem to cause a peak around tuning and very limited output above tuning. The port is not the only contributing part of the system. If this was a bandpass enclosure, it would be a different story. Here, you're going to deal with a ton of reflections coming from the trunk and you could get some serious cancelation problems due to the difference of distance.

It also appears to be tuned pretty high.

yes, the construction obviously isnt very good. if you noticed in the first few sentences i said i used a jig saw to make the cuts.however there are no leaks, so i could care less what it looks like. i had no intention of this working well. i just thought it up and figured it would be cool to try it. i think designed properly and constructed with care...it could do well in a spl application possibly. its probably obvious i have little experience with box design and all the physics involved...but hey, i had fun building it so what the ****:)

Cam
11-08-2006, 06:37 PM
I think the design looks pretty terrible and the construction even worse. The ports completely firing into the cabin and the sub completely in the trunk would seem to cause a peak around tuning and very limited output above tuning. The port is not the only contributing part of the system. If this was a bandpass enclosure, it would be a different story. Here, you're going to deal with a ton of reflections coming from the trunk and you could get some serious cancelation problems due to the difference of distance.

It also appears to be tuned pretty high.

Yeah, and the ports are held together with duct tape. I think peakiness is the least of his worries.

mikey060
11-08-2006, 06:38 PM
I wonder what it's tuned to?

same here...it sounds like its tuned low..but you would think it would be tuned high if anything.

mikey060
11-08-2006, 06:39 PM
Yeah, and the ports are held together with duct tape. I think peakiness is the least of his worries.

ummm yes there is ducktape securing them. there is a peice of pvc connecting the elbow and the aeros....... you dont think i just taped the ****ers together do you?

mikey060
11-08-2006, 06:42 PM
So if it works out are you gonna take it apart and make it like... good?

well if it works decently...i will try it on a mic sometime, and work with the tuning. and if it works well i will rebuild one built specifically for the AP. but i doubt that will happen

Cam
11-08-2006, 06:46 PM
Sorry, I'm just being a dink. :p

bumpnwit415s
11-08-2006, 06:49 PM
mang datz da ghey white boy shiat mang

mazdakid
11-08-2006, 06:51 PM
haha

reneeb7363
11-08-2006, 06:57 PM
mang datz da ghey white boy shiat mang

what??? got crackers in your mouth? LOL... speak english....


At least he is trying new things... never know when something might actually work. R & D is the funnest part!

mikey060
11-08-2006, 06:57 PM
mang datz da ghey white boy shiat mang

:laugh:




AP is going in as we speak. stay tuned:) :blackeye:

mikey060
11-08-2006, 06:59 PM
what??? got crackers in your mouth? LOL... speak english....


At least he is trying new things... never know when something might actually work. R & D is the funnest part!

EXACTLY, thank you renee. thats all i really care about. it doesnt bother me if this doesnt work. i have never seen it done before, so who knows, maybe it a really good idea...or it just crap. worst that can happen is that it doesnt make any improvement. or makes it sound worse, who cares:)

Flipx99
11-08-2006, 07:03 PM
I guess yall are too new to remember bumpin, and his lack of grammar

j3bus2k3
11-08-2006, 07:06 PM
mang datz da ghey white boy shiat mang

HAHA OMG, its back! :laugh:

mikey060
11-08-2006, 07:28 PM
haha oh man


anyhow, i did a listening test and it does not sound any better. posibbly some fidling with the tuning will make a big difference, but as of now its no good. oh well, it was worth a try. btw the AP looks much better in the enclosure:yumyum:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2534/img1328lm0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

PhatTonyDeMarco
11-08-2006, 07:34 PM
Face the PVC to the rear, with the magnet of the woofer aiming towards the trunk; you should see immense gain...

mikey060
11-08-2006, 07:45 PM
Face the PVC to the rear, with the magnet of the woofer aiming towards the trunk; you should see immense gain...

yea thats for sure. the box i took out has the two aeros pointing back and sub forwards. i will try pointing the backwards later on. and then will put the other box back in

the whole point of building this was to see if it makes a differnce porting through the rear deck. i cant see it helping for daily driving. but for spl drag possibly....but i doubt it:crying: lol

ssj2xxgotenxx
11-08-2006, 08:27 PM
Wow... A very unique and clever design. Paint/carpet and call it a day.

Big Dee
11-08-2006, 09:00 PM
Wow... A very unique and clever design. Paint/carpet and call it a day.

lawl....

that thing is probably tuned to 55 hz :ohsnap:

mikey060
11-08-2006, 09:40 PM
lawl....

that thing is probably tuned to 55 hz :ohsnap:

yea it probably is. hence my saing it may work okay in an spl application

anyhow.......thanks ssj2xxgotenxx for the compliment. i would carpet it, but it doesnt sound any better then the other box, so im just going to take it out, and use it next spring, will probably get it metered. or i may fidle around with it this weekend, who knows:)

Immacomputer
11-08-2006, 10:25 PM
To find the tuning, play various tones through it and pay attention to the cone. Look for the tones that make the cone movement almost stop completly. This should be very close to what it is tuned to.

If you wanted something like this to work, make sure the trunk area is completely sealed off from the cabin. Then, make it a bandpass enclosure so that there is no output except from the ports. Like I said before, the cone still contributes a good amount of output and you have it separated from the rest of the vehicle while the ports fire in.

Corey69
11-08-2006, 10:36 PM
nice mikey haha

mikey060
11-08-2006, 10:36 PM
hmm, i will give a shot at finding the tuning tomamrow

as for the bandpass enclosure, that sounds like avery good idea. i didnt even consider the output coming from the cone of the speaker:blush: . thanks for the input:)

coolahan
11-09-2006, 06:41 AM
man i give you an A+ on ghettonesssssssssss

Pyro_By_Nature
11-09-2006, 06:54 AM
Box is probably tuned entirely too high.

mikey060
11-09-2006, 11:19 AM
Box is probably tuned entirely too high.

bingo:crap: :laugh:

mikey060
11-09-2006, 11:24 AM
man i give you an A+ on ghettonesssssssssss

lol i don see whats so ghetto about it. but okay..


i bet it would make a good bong. light up some weed in the sub hole, throw the kenwood in, and hot box the car:laugh: :laugh: :naughty: :up2somet: and watch my car burn down:cool:

mikey060
11-09-2006, 11:25 AM
nice mikey haha

haha thanks doood, it pwngerize your MT any day:rolleyes:

baseballer1100
11-09-2006, 11:29 AM
interesting.

mikey060
11-09-2006, 04:50 PM
i put the other box back in...heres a video if you're interested http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1325550240140014976

Corey69
11-09-2006, 11:13 PM
haha thanks doood, it pwngerize your MT any day:rolleyes:

Probaly, I dont have the high tech pvc porting technique like you do.

mikey060
11-10-2006, 02:27 AM
lmao, no ****...it adds like 15 deebeezz:naughty:

80INCHES
11-10-2006, 02:28 AM
hmm, i will give a shot at finding the tuning tomamrow

as for the bandpass enclosure, that sounds like avery good idea. i didnt even consider the output coming from the cone of the speaker:blush: . thanks for the input:)

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