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Swoop41
11-02-2006, 01:32 PM
Alright...I'm looking to put some 6.5 comps in the doors of my 2006 Grand Prix. Budget is under $130. I've narrowed it down to these:

Orion P6.2 (http://www.cardomain.com/item/ORI37205)

CDT CL-61A (http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1090)

Kicker K6.2 (http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1193)

MB Quart DSD216 (http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1202)

Kenwood KFC-P605ie (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13644)

I'll be powering them with this amp unless someone can show me a better amp for around the same price:

Clarion APX2120 (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17292)


Thanks in advance.

linvillegorge
11-02-2006, 02:41 PM
I'd get a better amp - look used or bump your budget for the amp up a bit. If you have to, you can get a better amp now and then get some Pioneer Rev coaxials or another good set of coax's for the time being until you get some more $$$ for components.

Swoop41
11-02-2006, 02:58 PM
What would you suggest?

samson
11-02-2006, 04:09 PM
If you're on a budget, I ordered from this place, http://www.stereodirect.com/, and thought I got a good deal and decent service. I would rank Coustik or MTX above Clarion.

OneKrazyKeebler
11-02-2006, 04:17 PM
Honestly, with that budget I would check the classifieds on here and other car audio forum sites. Used equipment will be cheaper and you will get more for your buck. And yeah, I would get a more powerful amp.

haunther
11-02-2006, 04:21 PM
Infinity kappa comps (For The Budget WIN!!)

samson
11-02-2006, 08:20 PM
I think MB Quart is hard to beat. My ears like them and Polk. My wallet likes Kenwood.

Swoop41
11-03-2006, 12:15 AM
I'd get a better amp - look used or bump your budget for the amp up a bit. If you have to, you can get a better amp now and then get some Pioneer Rev coaxials or another good set of coax's for the time being until you get some more $$$ for components.

So why not just get a cheaper set of components to hold me over until I can afford better ones? It's been explained to me that cheap components are usually better than high-end coaxials. Or am I just confused?:crap:

samson
11-03-2006, 09:44 AM
It's been explained to me that cheap components are usually better than high-end coaxials.

I don't necessarily agree with that.

JimJ
11-03-2006, 09:54 AM
Considering several component sets have tweets that are able to be coaxially mounted, the line gets blurred...would you call a cheap component set better than a set of Boston Z6's with the tweet mounted in the center? :D

All depends on your setup, and how you're aiming the drivers...sometimes coaxial mounting works better, sometimes it doesn't. Only way to know is to try both ways.

Swoop41
11-03-2006, 07:21 PM
I guess my short term question is which would you guys prefer? Some nice coaxials such as Pioneer Revs or the component sets I listed above?

linvillegorge
11-03-2006, 11:00 PM
It looks like you have a $200 budget, right? If that's the case, you simply don't have the budget to do a decent amp AND decent components right now. However, you do have the budget to get a decent amp and then get a set of decent coaxials to use temporarily. Like the other poster suggested, with your budget, you may really want to look into used.

However, if you go new, here's what I'd suggest...
Amp:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HIFONICS-ZEUS-ZXi3406-2-3-4-CH-300-WATTS-AMP-NEW_W0QQitemZ290045522831QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4950QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Decent little amp that'll put out 150wrms x2 @ 4 ohms - that's enough to sufficiently push most sets of components Price here would be $145ish shipped.

Temporary speakers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ROCKFORD-FOSGATE-P162C-6-1-2-2-WAY-CAR-SPEAKERS-6-5_W0QQitemZ300043467471QQihZ020QQcategoryZ18799QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Decent little speakers. Go with these if you can bump your budget up by $15-20. I've been running them for a year and a half now. I'm getting ready to go with comps, but I've been very happy with their performance.

If you can bump your budget by $50 or so, you could go for the Revs. If you can swing $300, you can get it all over with right now and get a decent amp and some decent comps. It's up to you. If you want some decent sound now and you have a strict limited budget, my suggestion is a decent amp with some makeshift speakers. If you're going to have the $$$ soon, I'd suggest holding out until you do.

Swoop41
11-03-2006, 11:35 PM
It looks like you have a $200 budget, right? If that's the case, you simply don't have the budget to do a decent amp AND decent components right now. However, you do have the budget to get a decent amp and then get a set of decent coaxials to use temporarily. Like the other poster suggested, with your budget, you may really want to look into used.

However, if you go new, here's what I'd suggest...
Amp:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HIFONICS-ZEUS-ZXi3406-2-3-4-CH-300-WATTS-AMP-NEW_W0QQitemZ290045522831QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4950QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Decent little amp that'll put out 150wrms x2 @ 4 ohms - that's enough to sufficiently push most sets of components Price here would be $145ish shipped.

Temporary speakers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ROCKFORD-FOSGATE-P162C-6-1-2-2-WAY-CAR-SPEAKERS-6-5_W0QQitemZ300043467471QQihZ020QQcategoryZ18799QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Decent little speakers. Go with these if you can bump your budget up by $15-20. I've been running them for a year and a half now. I'm getting ready to go with comps, but I've been very happy with their performance.

If you can bump your budget by $50 or so, you could go for the Revs. If you can swing $300, you can get it all over with right now and get a decent amp and some decent comps. It's up to you. If you want some decent sound now and you have a strict limited budget, my suggestion is a decent amp with some makeshift speakers. If you're going to have the $$$ soon, I'd suggest holding out until you do.



Thanks for the advice!:)

What would you reccommend as a good entry-level component?

linvillegorge
11-04-2006, 12:55 AM
check out this thread:
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192908

also, take a look at this one:
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192757

Swoop41
11-04-2006, 01:12 AM
check out this thread:
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192908

also, take a look at this one:
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192757

Thanks again.

spudracer326
11-04-2006, 01:17 AM
I know this might be a little more then you wanna spend but I have a diamond audio d3400.4 bnib that id sell for 120shipped....just a thought...and for components id go with something used form the clssifeds....you can usually find something descent for around $130....

spudracer326
11-04-2006, 01:20 AM
ohhh and these would be descent for the money....

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1090

Notwerk
11-05-2006, 01:21 AM
Clarion's amps aren't THAT bad, and for the price, that's a tough deal to beat. Sounddomain is selling it for around that price and that would be an authorized deal, with warranty.

The amp is CEA rated, so the 60 watt rating is probably at least close to honest and for a starter system, that's not bad at all.

The CDT CL's claim a sensitivity (I know people are going to say they're "hungrier" or whatever, but I don't know what that really means) of 91.6 db. Assuming CDT rates honestly, that's a pretty high sensitivity and should respond well to 60 watts of power. Remember that going by normal standards (CDT doesn't state how they rate), that would mean the speaker generates 91.6 db at 1 watt at 3 feet. 60 watts should be plenty for basic tunes, (and assuming gains are set safely). In fact, over a long enough time, it ought to be enough to cause mild hearing loss.

It would also fall in his budget and be completely authorized, with warranty. I wouldn't go e-Bay for this considering there is a solid, authorized deal in your his budget.

I say:

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1090
http://www.cardomain.com/item/CLAAPX2120

People forget that for a long time, Clarion's APX amps were being made by the same OEM manufacturer as Arc Audio (using the same circuit boards). Even then, people kept insisting Clarion's amps were of lower quality, which was a ridiculous claim given the evidence. People put too much into brand-ranking and fall for marketeering.

Swoop, given this setup, I don't think you can realistically expect a 120db ghettoblaster, but if what you're after is solid, daily-driving tunes, this should meet your expectations well.

Also, you can look over this setup:

http://www.millionbuy.com/phgr252.html
http://www.millionbuy.com/ozav650s3.html

I like Oz a bit more than CDT, but this comes out about $20 over your budget (I'm not factoring shipping, so you may want to look into that because I think Millionbuy will ship that order for free, which might negate the budget shortfall.)

Good luck.

PS: Why waste money on temporary gear? If it comes to that, just save a bit longer and get something even better. Don't waste money on throw-away gear. It puts you further from your goal.

Swoop41
11-05-2006, 03:02 AM
Clarion's amps aren't THAT bad, and for the price, that's a tough deal to beat. Sounddomain is selling it for around that price and that would be an authorized deal, with warranty.

The amp is CEA rated, so the 60 watt rating is probably at least close to honest and for a starter system, that's not bad at all.

The CDT CL's claim a sensitivity (I know people are going to say they're "hungrier" or whatever, but I don't know what that really means) of 91.6 db. Assuming CDT rates honestly, that's a pretty high sensitivity and should respond well to 60 watts of power. Remember that going by normal standards (CDT doesn't state how they rate), that would mean the speaker generates 91.6 db at 1 watt at 3 feet. 60 watts should be plenty for basic tunes, (and assuming gains are set safely). In fact, over a long enough time, it ought to be enough to cause mild hearing loss.

It would also fall in his budget and be completely authorized, with warranty. I wouldn't go e-Bay for this considering there is a solid, authorized deal in your his budget.

I say:

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1090
http://www.cardomain.com/item/CLAAPX2120

People forget that for a long time, Clarion's APX amps were being made by the same OEM manufacturer as Arc Audio (using the same circuit boards). Even then, people kept insisting Clarion's amps were of lower quality, which was a ridiculous claim given the evidence. People put too much into brand-ranking and fall for marketeering.

Swoop, given this setup, I don't think you can realistically expect a 120db ghettoblaster, but if what you're after is solid, daily-driving tunes, this should meet your expectations well.

Also, you can look over this setup:

http://www.millionbuy.com/phgr252.html
http://www.millionbuy.com/ozav650s3.html

I like Oz a bit more than CDT, but this comes out about $20 over your budget (I'm not factoring shipping, so you may want to look into that because I think Millionbuy will ship that order for free, which might negate the budget shortfall.)

Good luck.

PS: Why waste money on temporary gear? If it comes to that, just save a bit longer and get something even better. Don't waste money on throw-away gear. It puts you further from your goal.



Wow. Nice reply. Thanks for taking the time to type all that out. I think either of the setups you posted would do me nicely. I'm not looking for a ghettoblaster by any means, just a good, clean, clear system that won't break my bank. I'll eventually be adding a 12'' sub, but that should finish things up for what I want.

Jman has helped me out a good deal, but I'd like your opinion on this as well. What do you think of this setup:

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3983

http://www.cardomain.com/item/MTXTX6001?vq_id=none

I can get the amp locally and with free installation from an installer I actually know and trust for $99...it was a display model for like two days. I can get the speakers for $129.99 from the same place.

Notwerk
11-05-2006, 05:40 AM
I suppose I'm not a big MTX fan. Personally, I'd prefer the Oz/PG setup. I'm sure the amp will do fine, but I think I'd go a different direction with the speakers. But, since a local dealer has it, listen to the MTX stuff and whatever else they have in the shop. Whatever sounds good to you and is in your price range, get that.

I can't tell you want will sound good to you. That's really a matter of personal preference, so you'll have to trust your ear.

Swoop41
11-05-2006, 02:21 PM
The MTX gear sounds great to me, and the free installation on the amp is a pretty big deal, as I've never installed one, and I prefer to avoid any hassle I can. If I ordered an amp and had it installed it would cost me close to $100 extra. I also don't know how comfortable I am ordering something that I haven't had the chance to hear.

Notwerk
11-06-2006, 12:38 AM
Well, the best advice I can give you is to listen around and not make any rush decisions. See if there are any other shops in town and check out different brands, then make an informed decision. I mean, all of it is going to sound better than stock. After that, it's kinda like finding your identity, audio-wise. You have to try different things and get a feel for what it is that sounds good to you, and what sounds better than that and so on.

Until you buy buying something ridiculously our of your price range because you HAD to have it :)

Swoop41
11-06-2006, 01:49 AM
Well, the best advice I can give you is to listen around and not make any rush decisions. See if there are any other shops in town and check out different brands, then make an informed decision. I mean, all of it is going to sound better than stock. After that, it's kinda like finding your identity, audio-wise. You have to try different things and get a feel for what it is that sounds good to you, and what sounds better than that and so on.

Until you buy buying something ridiculously our of your price range because you HAD to have it :)

I've been to every shop within a 50 mile radius. It's all Alpine, Sony, Pioneer, Kenwood, and Jensen.

Notwerk
11-06-2006, 02:55 AM
That can be a problem, but I thought the same thing about my area until I dug a bit deeper and found some decent dealers. Have you tried getting in touch with manufacturers to see what's available in your area? Do you have a Tweeter or Sound Advice store around?

I had to call DLS, Morel, Oz and a bunch of other brands to find shops. I know it's not always possible, though.

Swoop41
11-06-2006, 05:14 PM
That can be a problem, but I thought the same thing about my area until I dug a bit deeper and found some decent dealers. Have you tried getting in touch with manufacturers to see what's available in your area? Do you have a Tweeter or Sound Advice store around?

I had to call DLS, Morel, Oz and a bunch of other brands to find shops. I know it's not always possible, though.


None of those around that I'm aware of...there is this one really high end shop on the other side of town, but I can't come close to afording anything they offer, so I just don't bother with them.

I'll check and see what I can find out.

Gary S
11-15-2006, 04:44 AM
Out of that list, I'd go for the Orions.