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zmicier
10-09-2006, 02:15 PM
Hello,guys!

I'm sorry if my topic isn't new there - haven't found anything similar.
I'm new here and hope to get you help :rolleyes:

Well, not long ago I sold my Pioneer 5700 and now I'm choosing between 7800(780) and 880.
I wonder if there any difference between the sound of each?
Can I use my wheel remote with them (SR110 if not mistaken)?
As I'm from Europe, aren't there any problems with the installation of the device in the car?

I'll be glad to get any information that will help me to make up my mind!

Thanks! :)

faulkton
10-09-2006, 02:22 PM
the 880 will run an active front stage, and has 16 band EQ for both right and left. The 780 wont do active and has 16 band total EQ.

the 880 has auto time alignment and EQ, and the 780 you have to set the EQ and TA yourself.

from what i can tell those are the main differences.. along with the 780 having a color screen.

zmicier
10-09-2006, 02:27 PM
the 880 will run an active front stage, and has 16 band EQ for both right and left. The 780 wont do active and has 16 band total EQ.

the 880 has auto time alignment and EQ, and the 780 you have to set the EQ and TA yourself.

from what i can tell those are the main differences.. along with the 780 having a color screen.



Thanks for your reply a lot!
1. Could you please explain what "active fron stage" is and how useful it is?
2. I read about EQ.I'm not sure whether separate EQ is a very useful thing...
3. "Time alignment" means that systems sounds taking into account existing acoustics or something else?

What about sound? Is there any substantial difference?

BTW, what is the average price for these devices in the US now? My brother is a student in the US and I want him to buy a HU for me..

Towncar
10-09-2006, 02:31 PM
Thanks for your reply a lot!
1. Could you please explain what "active fron stage" is and how useful it is?
2. I read about EQ.I'm not sure whether separate EQ is a very useful thing...
3. "Time alignment" means that systems sounds taking into account existing acoustics or something else?

What about sound? Is there any substantial difference?

BTW, what is the average price for these devices in the US now? My brother is a student in the US and I want him to buy a HU for me..

If you dont know what going active is, then more than likely the 880 prs wont benefit you any greater than the 780, unless you enjoy a more classy looking cdplayer. The 780s nice, but i dnt care for the color screen, nor does it have some of the features of the 880. 880 is a better deck all the way across the board though.

faulkton
10-09-2006, 02:35 PM
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/printer/friendly/0,,2076_310069882,00.html?compName=PNA_V3_Comparis onResultsComponent&x=9&product_id=291159496&product_id=291159491&printComp=PNA_V3_ComparisonResultsComponent&y=9&

Pretty similar..compare the features yourself. i doubt you would be able to tell the difference.. buy the one you think looks better.

zmicier
10-09-2006, 03:17 PM
Don't you think there is any difference in the sound?

faulkton
10-09-2006, 03:19 PM
not if you arent advanced enough to use the extra features.. im not insulting you.. i bought a 780 because i know i wouldnt use the extra features and i like the one nob controls of the 780.

zmicier
10-09-2006, 03:30 PM
Concerning 7800
Is it possible to write e.g. 20 pics and then to see them one by one while playing CD?

I read both manuals. I gues auto time alignment and EQ are very convinient features. About about the same in 7800?

Also I see 7800 has RPM option (tachometer) and 880 doesn't.

faulkton
10-09-2006, 03:51 PM
the audo ta and eq sound like cool features.. but im not sure how they actually work in real life..

the 880 has them.. the 780 doesnt.. you just manually adjsut the eq and TA in the 780.

and yeah you can set the displlay to random.

zmicier
10-09-2006, 04:04 PM
What about 7800's display? Is it really worth? What about daylight?
As far as I understand it is bigger than 880's one.

Towncar
10-09-2006, 04:45 PM
What about 7800's display? Is it really worth? What about daylight?
As far as I understand it is bigger than 880's one.

huh?

zmicier
10-09-2006, 07:13 PM
what is 780's memory? (when downloading pics & screensavers)

Clean Sound
10-09-2006, 07:24 PM
I had similar questions regarding the two decks and I was able to compare them with a demo disk. I played the decks through a good amp and the same Pro 60's that I own. I set the eq. crossovers and BBE settings so that they were identical. I spent abot 30 minutes comparing the two and I could not tell a difference. I have no interest in the L/R equalizer nor do I require going active. So for me, they are both suberb decks with excellent sound quality. In the end I bought the 780.

faulkton
10-09-2006, 07:44 PM
there really isn't much difference between the two, and unless you are using the few features that the 880 offers and the 780 doesn't.. you wont notice a difference.

morten
10-10-2006, 01:58 AM
the 880 has advanced segment type burr brown dac's.

thatkidbob
10-10-2006, 02:10 AM
for some reason, i bet that if you didn't use the EQ features of the 880, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference in an A/B test...

zmicier
10-10-2006, 03:08 AM
the 880 has advanced segment type burr brown dac's.

What does this mean?

zmicier
10-10-2006, 03:10 AM
Thanks a lot guy! especially those who could compare both devices.
Does anybody can tell how effective auto AT and EQ are? How often do you use these options (or just once?)

Owners of 780, are you happy with its display? Isn't it blind in daylight?

Towncar
10-10-2006, 09:53 AM
Thanks a lot guy! especially those who could compare both devices.
Does anybody can tell how effective auto AT and EQ are? How often do you use these options (or just once?)

Owners of 780, are you happy with its display? Isn't it blind in daylight?

Go to your local best buy, or audio shop and check one out.

zmicier
10-10-2006, 11:01 AM
The problem is that I'm from Belarus and we here dont 780 at all.
Only 880 that is Pioneer 88 there.
I saw 88 - very nice but it's impossible for me to test 780.

Clean Sound
10-10-2006, 01:37 PM
Regarding the screen, I use the standard background of gradually cascading colors with the song title and artist displayed. The screen is clear in virtually all circumstances but if it is really bright you may have some problems. But I would suspect the 880 is no different. Overall the screen is really bright and clear although some may not like all the blue around the rotary knob. BTW I did a review of this deck which is posted on the product review forum.

AJē06
10-10-2006, 01:39 PM
Im just gonna say the 780 is sexii as hell!

zmicier
10-13-2006, 08:59 AM
Well, my choice is 880!
Anyway 780 is a great model. But I've chosen the design of 880.

Thanks everybody for help!

faulkton
10-13-2006, 06:20 PM
enjoy the deck..

Ahaz
10-17-2006, 12:09 AM
I'm new here, so excuse my ignorance with this question...

Pioneer's site lists the crossovers of the 880 and the 780 as exactly the same: 3 way, same HPF and LPF frequencies and slopes. I was under the impression that running your crossovers from the deck was 'going active'. Am I wrong in that?

From Pioneer's website, the only differences I can tell are that the 880 has Auto EQ and Auto Time Alignment. Both of which, by the way, the p980BT is listed as having. So if you want a color screen, but the control of the p880prs, it kinda seems like the p980bt would do that.

Oh, and the p880prs has the dual L/R 16 band EQ, while the 780 and 980 just have a 16 band EQ.

FOSGATE JOE
10-17-2006, 12:40 AM
does any one know why the 860 has the color stuff and the new 880 one is not??i would think the 880 would be sexer if is did??

99StangGt
10-17-2006, 12:57 AM
Pioneers website is wrong. Only the 880 does active 3way. The 780 and 980 has crossovers for front, rear and sub, might be what pioneer was meaning. They dont do bandpass for mids like the 880. I think pioneer was going for a clean looking SQ deck when they came out with the 880. I have had both the 860 and 880. I prefer the 880 for the clean look. But my decks are all like that, Alpine 9835, eclipse 8053, 8454, clarion DRZ9255, Nakamichi decks.

Ahaz
10-17-2006, 01:06 AM
So basically on the 780/980 you can only set an HPF for the mids, but on the 880 you can set an HPF and an LPF?

If you can set a crossover on the fly for high, mid and sub, why isn't that an active 3 way?

99StangGt
10-17-2006, 10:48 AM
The 880 will set LPF for the sub , LPF and HPF for the mids. and HPF for the tweeters. The 780 and 980 will set LPF for the sub and HPF individually for front and rear speakers. Also the HPF settings are alot lower then the 880. The 880 has about 1.2k setting for the highs where the 780, 980 only go to 200hz. cant run tweeters with 780, 980 decks

Ahaz
10-17-2006, 11:11 AM
Ah, I think I get it now. I am still running my passive crossover in the door to send the appropriate signals to the mid and the tweeter, but I am using the HPF on my deck (Kenwood dpx-701) to cut out the sub-bass frequencies for the front speakers. This seems like what you could do with the 780/980.

The 880, on the other hand, will distinguish between the tweeter and the mid for crossover control, and offer you HPF AND LPF for the mid. If you were going to take advantage of this, I assume you would need 4 channels, one for each speaker up front?

99StangGt
10-17-2006, 11:22 AM
Yes you need 4 channel or 2 amps. But it will make a difference. And you can run the mids off an amp and the tweeters off deck power because the deck power also has the same crossovers, I have done that while I was waiting for an amp. But its better with an amp. I sold my hu and now back to passive and its a big difference. waiting for new hu to get back to active.

Ahaz
10-17-2006, 11:27 AM
I guess this is getting kinda offtopic, but you're really helping me understand all this stuff 99stangGT. Could you elaborate a little on your experience with active versus passive, and why you liked active more? Is it an audiophile 'I want to control every aspect of my listening experience' thing?

If a set of comps is rated at 120 W RMS, for example, should you give that same amount of power to both the tweeter and the mid? Or less to the tweeter? Is it easier to blow, being a smaller speaker?

99StangGt
10-17-2006, 11:39 AM
I give mine alot more then rated. 150w to the tweets and 200 to the mids. tweeters dont need that much but thats what i have but the gains are set all the way down. Also just because an amp is rated at that doesnt mean the speakers will see that much. When you go active you control the crossover points and the slopes. the passives eat up power where the active doesnt. My midbass is alot better running active. Also with time alignment its more accurate being the tweeters arent hooked to the mids. It takes some work to get it setup but its worth it.

99StangGt
10-17-2006, 11:41 AM
Here is a good read about active and passive

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146726&highlight=passive+active

Ahaz
10-17-2006, 11:54 AM
Awesome, awesome read. Took care of a lot of my questions! I'm going to have to read up more on slope to understand what it really means in terms of sound output.

One more for you. On an active deck, like the 880, can you still run your passive crossover? If so, how do you set a 'general' HPF for the front speakers? Just set the HPF the same for the tweeters and the mids?

99StangGt
10-17-2006, 12:00 PM
There is a switch on the side of the deck that you set it for either active or passive. In the passive mode it has the same crossover points as a standard deck. you would leave it in the mode untill going active. also running active will kill rear speakers if you run them, i dont.

Speedyd718
10-17-2006, 01:08 PM
get the 880. i just installed mine that i bought from pik on the forum and it is def worth it. display is clean and the face is clean. i actually prefer the look over the old 960 that i had. the lack of color and two knobs makes it cleaner. haven't used it active yet since i haven't gotten my amp but with the stuff you see in my sig in std mode it is def nice. can't wait to get my amp now.