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baseballer1100
10-03-2006, 11:50 AM
Im getting ready to start on my ht and im wondering what wood do most of you guys use? I want to stain it to go with the rest of my furniture....Would MDF be ok?

iceteebone
10-03-2006, 11:53 AM
if you use mdf you'll probably have to do some good amount of sanding, few coats of primer, and the the stain.

iamamp3pimp
10-03-2006, 11:57 AM
as far a quality = yes, but looks imo = no.

ballstothewall
10-03-2006, 12:01 PM
You DON'T stain MDF, you can stain veneer though.

What is your furniture that you want to match? If its oak, I'd suggest going with Oak Ply, etc, etc.

thylantyr
10-03-2006, 12:05 PM
Common recipes;

MDF + veneer, then stain the veneer and top coat {poly, lacquer, etc}
MDF + primer + paint

Oak, birch, maple 7 ply plywood found at the home center. Expensive as the
quality is higher than construction grade plywood, but it has the thin veneer
of either oak, birch, maple on both sides. This veneer is course, unlike the thin
veneer you buy. Course can be good. I prefer the course grain of oak plywood
over oak veneer. You can fix the plywood edges by applying iron on veneer strips
and use a razor blade for a clean look. Stain the wood, then top coat.

You can substitute MDF for particle board if you have great woodworking stills
as you have to understand how to deal with the weaker material.

Exotic:
You can use furniture making techniques on speaker boxes using solid wood, but
it's expensive and it's a more advanced topic with issues.

You can cut a tree and carve it, make a cylinder shaped enclosure and carve
the innards to make air space. lol

You can do fiberglass boxes.

ballstothewall
10-03-2006, 12:10 PM
I'm really a fan of using hardwood, ie solid oak or walunut. Takes a hella lot more time but looks gooood.

baseballer1100
10-03-2006, 12:49 PM
no idea what my furniture is...im thinking maybe just doing bare mdf at first...see how that goes. unless the birch isnt that expesive..What are the cost of some of these things?

ramos
10-03-2006, 01:41 PM
Why not build mdf enclosures , then use the 1/4" veneer over top the mdf ? There is a variety of different veneer available . :)

thylantyr
10-03-2006, 02:14 PM
no idea what my furniture is...im thinking maybe just doing bare mdf at first...see how that goes. unless the birch isnt that expesive..What are the cost of some of these things?

3/4" x 4' x 8' sheets;

13 ply baltic, marine plywoods = I've seen up to $300, lol

7 ply oak, birch, maple plywood = ~ $45 - $50 per sheet, lumber yard = may have better quality over home center.

mdf = ~$25 - $35

particle board = ~$20

prices vary from geography, home center vs. lumber yard, etc.

If you choose any plywood, always cherry pick the sheets for low warpage,
and good finish on both sides. Home centers tend to store the wood poorly
and it's warped. Lumber yards may have better storage, less warpage, but cost
more. Lumber yards may have 'A' and 'B' grade where 'A' cost alot more. Do a visual
inspection if you see both types. I usually snag 'B' grade, it's more than good.

then use the 1/4" veneer over top the mdf ?
Veneer is super thin. You can use 1/4" oak plywood to skin the MDF or particle
board box, but the cost of MDF + 1/4" oak could cost as much as just getting
3/4" oak in the first place and less hassle on construction - no skinning required.

JimJ
10-03-2006, 03:46 PM
MDF primed, sanded, and then covered with professional grade bedliner such as Line-X can look pretty sharp, IMO...:)

joetama
10-03-2006, 04:24 PM
High boxes MDF or Birch... But to make it pretty either way you are going to have to do some finishing work...

baseballer1100
10-03-2006, 05:38 PM
High boxes MDF or Birch... But to make it pretty either way you are going to have to do some finishing work...

I'm new to this so like what to make it look really good?

ramos
10-03-2006, 05:45 PM
Depends on what route your going . I would say 45 the edges so you have no exposed end grain would be a good start :)

ballstothewall
10-03-2006, 05:49 PM
Depends on what route your going . I would say 45 the edges so you have no exposed end grain would be a good start :)

If hes asking the what type of wood question, I'm don't think he has the skill to properly 45 all edges to get rid of end grain (without having lots of putty). But then I could easily be wrong.

baseballer1100
10-03-2006, 06:07 PM
I dont have enough skill but i know someone who does:)....And i dont think it should be that hard now that i know what your talking about. I will look into that veneer.

SQBubble
10-03-2006, 08:21 PM
why not these things?
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=261-610
pretty cheap..

is it ugly?

joetama
10-03-2006, 11:06 PM
I've never tried it before nor have I seen it used however for $20 you could try it....

baseballer1100
10-03-2006, 11:30 PM
Its not really what im going for. But nice none the less.

bjfish11
10-07-2006, 09:10 PM
Where I work, we sell a MDF Oak. Its MDF with a Oak veneer. Runs like $55 a sheet I think. Also have it in Maple. Dont know the price on that.

ballstothewall
10-07-2006, 09:32 PM
Hows the quality on that veneer?? The Maple would look darn good in a home setup I think.

iamamp3pimp
10-07-2006, 09:42 PM
i have heard of someone using light weight MDF...whats that all about

skmfkr
10-07-2006, 09:44 PM
i was thinking birch, its like 40 a sheet i think

iamamp3pimp
10-07-2006, 09:46 PM
nah it wasnt birch...someone said specifically light eight MDF.


birch is another whole monster, and it is a hair under 50 where i got it from

ballstothewall
10-07-2006, 09:49 PM
Last four shees of BB I got was ~60 bucks.

*edit* A piece.

iamamp3pimp
10-07-2006, 09:54 PM
birch baltic?

bjfish11
10-07-2006, 09:58 PM
Hows the quality on that veneer?? The Maple would look darn good in a home setup I think.
Its very nice quality. More of the trim carpenters we deliver to use that over regular Oak Veneer Core ply. Which kind of *****, cause the MDF like 2.5 times as heavy.

i have heard of someone using light weight MDF...whats that all about
I use light weight MDF on all my boxes. Its called Trupan Light. 80% of the weight of regular MDF. Its like double the price though. But I think it cuts, routes, and accepts screws better also.

iamamp3pimp
10-07-2006, 09:59 PM
so Birch is still lighter than that isnt it?

iamamp3pimp
10-07-2006, 10:00 PM
after talking with some cabinet makers and building myself, i think MDF is the worst on your tools, as far as bits, and blades imo

bjfish11
10-07-2006, 10:01 PM
after talking with some cabinet makers and building myself, i think MDF is the worst on your tools, as far as bits, and blades imo

Yea I have heard its very bad on them. Its all the glue in it that kills your sharpness.
On the birch, Im not familiar with it. I have never used it, and the only baltic birch we sell is 1/2".

thylantyr
10-08-2006, 04:22 AM
Don't get dissuaded by MDF because it wears out your tools, you aren't making
boxes 24/7 for a year are you ? lol

I hear stories all the time about this. "Buy cheap blades because good blades
are ruined by MDF".... <- BS stories you hear in cyber. Use good carbide tipped blades and you are good to go....

bjfish11
10-08-2006, 10:14 AM
They still wear out your blades a lot faster either way.

thylantyr
10-08-2006, 04:10 PM
They still wear out your blades a lot faster either way.

My hammer wears out everytime I strike a nail. :laugh:

CBFryman2
10-08-2006, 04:19 PM
I still laugh at Turpan being called MDF.

People dont listen to themselves when they speak/type/advertise their product.

joetama
10-08-2006, 04:34 PM
They still wear out your blades a lot faster either way.

Yes that is true....


My hammer wears out everytime I strike a nail. :laugh:

Yes you are an idiot....

iamamp3pimp
10-08-2006, 04:40 PM
Don't get dissuaded by MDF because it wears out your tools, you aren't making
boxes 24/7 for a year are you ? lol

I hear stories all the time about this. "Buy cheap blades because good blades
are ruined by MDF".... <- BS stories you hear in cyber. Use good carbide tipped blades and you are good to go....



I been using a tungsten carbide blade that costs <$10 and it cuts MDF like butter.

bjfish11
10-08-2006, 04:40 PM
My hammer wears out everytime I strike a nail. :laugh:
Makes no sense.


I still laugh at Turpan being called MDF.

People dont listen to themselves when they speak/type/advertise their product.
Its Trupan, first of all.
And secondly. It IS MDF, just a lighter version. Broadly known as MDF Light. The stuff we carry where I work, and what I use IS MDF light, but its brand name is Trupan.
Make sense now?

thylantyr
10-08-2006, 08:34 PM
I been using a tungsten carbide blade that costs <$10 and it cuts MDF like butter.

My uber blades cut MDF like melted butter :laugh:

baseballer1100
10-08-2006, 10:59 PM
Any good places on getting this veneer to stain? I think im going to go that route being i have tons of scrap mdf laying around

ramos
10-10-2006, 12:33 PM
Check local lumber yards , home depot, lowes . Prices vary with thickness , size , and quality :)