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iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 05:43 AM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build010.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build009.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build008.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build007.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build006.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build005.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build004.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build003.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build001-1.jpg


I am taking my time on this one, as it is the most compilicated build that i have done so far. I am liking the way that it is coming out so far, and I am also interested in hearing the output from it as well. I am not sure what it will be powered with, but if i am not mistaken, it is for 2 Avalanche 15's/

If i am, fattony, chime in and let me know.

-Robin

More pics coming soon.

90accordman
09-19-2006, 05:48 AM
looks promising, cant wait to see the ending of it

cleanerupper
09-19-2006, 05:54 AM
Nice! What are you making the cuts with?

Death By Bass
09-19-2006, 06:04 AM
not sure what part of that you'd call a horn though...

Lckmyblls
09-19-2006, 06:09 AM
Nice!

iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 06:16 AM
not sure what part of that you'd call a horn though...

I took you off ignore just to read that? - wow.

it was Designed by Pete at Team Toxic Bass.......as if that wsnt apparent enough.

Back on Ignore you go


looks promising, cant wait to see the ending of it


Thanks!, and neither can i


Nice! What are you making the cuts with?

Circular saw





Nice!

Thanks!

supa_c
09-19-2006, 06:20 AM
Looks a bit tricky
Curious to the results....

iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 06:22 AM
thats what i thought when i first looked at it, but it should be quite interesting when it is finished.

supa_c
09-19-2006, 06:25 AM
Its 9 pieces to many for me :p

saywhat?
09-19-2006, 06:43 AM
lookin bad *** man.

PowerNaudio
09-19-2006, 10:39 AM
it sure is a folded horn. looks like a 1/4 wave or 1/8th wave horn. just by looking at the shortnes of the horn.

any details. other then dimensions.
looks good.

also are those all the dimensions you got?. because it looks like your mising the angle that some of the panels are going to be at.

laters

xluben
09-19-2006, 11:34 AM
also are those all the dimensions you got?. because it looks like your mising the angle that some of the panels are going to be at.



that's what i thought when i saw the plans as well!

looking good, thought!

gl0ck
09-19-2006, 11:40 AM
aww pure *** right their

iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 12:05 PM
nah i have more. just not posting all of a $35 dollar plan that i didn't create, or buy for that matter

-Robin

Fattony911
09-19-2006, 01:30 PM
sheww looks good Robin i new you could do it. ill get the stats up later when i get home from school, it is for 2 15" Ava's not sure whats gonna power them yet though im still undecided. Oh and its a twin rear horn not sure if that's the same.

80INCHES
09-19-2006, 01:39 PM
<---likes horns...very efficient boxes if done right
i'm confident robin will do a good job and have those 15's knockin
do be surprized if those 2 15's pop a 147 at 40hz

80

nVRuckus
09-19-2006, 01:49 PM
another Robin original?

Kenny Pollock
09-19-2006, 02:36 PM
Robin's doing his thing again!

It's looking nice :) He'll be happy

Death By Bass
09-19-2006, 04:09 PM
yeha, ok, you can call it a horn if you want, but dont expect it to have much output below 50Hz, or much more gain than a 6th order bandpass enclosure...

iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 04:35 PM
He is on ignore...what did he say?

DaGh0st
09-19-2006, 04:50 PM
He said "Looks Great":D

Nice job bro.

baseballer1100
09-19-2006, 04:54 PM
yeha, ok, you can call it a horn if you want, but dont expect it to have much output below 50Hz, or much more gain than a 6th order bandpass enclosure...

Thats what he said....i would just keep him on ignore. That looks sweet as hell. I cant wait to see the inish product.

Death By Bass
09-19-2006, 04:55 PM
if it has any output below 50Hz, its because its just acting as a large flared port, and wont be boosting the output at all...

JoshHd6
09-19-2006, 04:58 PM
hmmm..looks good..

baseballer1100
09-19-2006, 04:58 PM
if it has any output below 50Hz, its because its just acting as a large flared port, and wont be boosting the output at all...

you already said that.

Death By Bass
09-19-2006, 05:01 PM
you already said that.

no I didn't...

the horn signal path is like 50inches long... thats 127cm... thats HALF what it needs to be to get ANY kind of output... not to mention that the mouth is once again half the area it needs to be to get any gain, it WILL act very much like a ported box... :crying:

ah well, atleast there wont be any port noise :p:

Fattony911
09-19-2006, 05:09 PM
bro it was designed by Pete on team toxic bass, that guy could do circles around your box building skill by the way try 30hz not 50.

mazdakid
09-19-2006, 05:14 PM
how do you know hes so much better than death?

80INCHES
09-19-2006, 05:16 PM
if it has any output below 50Hz, its because its just acting as a large flared port, and wont be boosting the output at all...

unless u designed that box..u really cant say that
we all dont know what that box is tuned to..if pete designed it more than likely its going to hit the lows well
idont think he designs boxes..especially 2 15's to hit hard in the 50hz and up range...being that the subs being used sux and those freqs i know it was designed to play down low

80

60ndown
09-19-2006, 05:18 PM
here's a free horn 4 ya'll

http://www.decware.com/whornok.htm

Rage00
09-19-2006, 06:59 PM
****...................

Fattony911
09-19-2006, 07:01 PM
It will provide plenty of compression
within your desired response range and then some (over 100 dB w/m
efficiency from about 25Hz to about 75Hz).
thats all pete told me i also asked him to tune a little bit higher for rap levels and he said id be fine for anything above the 30's which is fine since almost every rap song stays above that except hoods run down. Anyways Pete is a god thats how i know hes better than death, hes a polish machine lol
http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/%7Epete/
theres his homepage to all you naysayers.
just a bit of his bio
Several years ago, I traveled to Garden Grove, CA and met Tuan; a very knowledgeable young man who welcomed me to a locally-established initiative called Team Toxic Bass. From there, we consolidated our efforts, skills, and resources to make Team Toxic Bass one of the most well known and talked about SPL collectives out there. In addition to representing Team Toxic Bass in competition, I am also responsible for all web operations, site maintenance, and other administrative functions. Additionally, I land support as an acoustic engineer for our enclosure design service and, along with Tuan, I share my knowledge through articles which can all be found under Team Archives of our main web site.

vetkilr
09-19-2006, 07:16 PM
Sweet build...........

iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 07:20 PM
Your port is awaiting you Kind sir.



what time you rolling through thurs?

vetkilr
09-19-2006, 08:01 PM
oh tomorrow too soon

JoshHd6
09-19-2006, 08:14 PM
cant wait until its done..LOL..lookin nice..

iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 08:47 PM
yeah i bet Josh



lol


Joel, Tomorrow is'nt too soon, but i'd rather not be rushed bu that having to go to work thing

vetkilr
09-19-2006, 09:47 PM
thurs then

iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 09:53 PM
works for me.

what time?

iamamp3pimp
09-19-2006, 09:54 PM
your ref's list is gettin huge BTW

vetkilr
09-19-2006, 09:58 PM
your ref's list is gettin huge BTW

I know I got 2 more but might need to start takin out what i bought and sold and just have the names........lol

noon good

bjfish11
09-20-2006, 12:11 AM
Man, for as many boxes as you build, you really need to get a table saw. I sure love mine.
Appears to be very nice work BTW.

Death By Bass
09-20-2006, 04:08 AM
(over 100 dB w/m
efficiency from about 25Hz to about 75Hz).

haha!!! fat chance mate!!! unless ofcourse we're counting the 20dB of cabin gain in the boxes efficiency... lol

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 10:35 AM
noon is good.

I am getting more clamps first....just picked up 6 18'ers off tehe bay for <30 bucks.

ive never had a table saw....I really dont know what to look for in one

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 10:35 AM
haha!!! fat chance mate!!! unless ofcourse we're counting the 20dB of cabin gain in the boxes efficiency... lol

Please go swallow a knife.

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 01:44 PM
Just one pic


;)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build011.jpg


and the mock up pic, (Dry fit) before the 45 degree angles were cut

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build013.jpg

there is more to come.......but i have to go to work



Work FTL

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 01:46 PM
It is getting heavy already........and its only about halfway done. there will be about a sheet and a half on here when its done.....a little more actually.




thats half what i used on my wall.....

nVRuckus
09-20-2006, 01:49 PM
noon is good.

I am getting more clamps first....just picked up 6 18'ers off tehe bay for <30 bucks.

ive never had a table saw....I really dont know what to look for in one

just plan on building a surrounding table for one so you can cut full sheets. Its PITA trying to cut fullsheets without one. I bought a 10" craftsman from sears for like $180 pretty good though the rail measuring guides arent very accurate and I use a tape ;)

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 02:54 PM
thats a big box.............

nVRuckus
09-20-2006, 02:56 PM
thats a big box.............

think you can fit it in your stang?

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 03:03 PM
hahaha he couldnt get it in there if he took the doors off.

nVRuckus
09-20-2006, 03:06 PM
is fattony911 phattonydemarco? I know phatTony lives up your way.

saywhat?
09-20-2006, 03:06 PM
ay pimp.....how big would one be for a single 15?....you got me thinkin now...

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 03:09 PM
hahaha he couldnt get it in there if he took the doors off.

Wasnt gonna ask..................:laugh:

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 03:24 PM
Here are a few more pics of the recent progress.

I am liking this one a lot.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build011.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build012.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build015.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build017.jpg



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build018.jpg



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build019.jpg



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build016.jpg

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 03:27 PM
and a few more.

Tell me what you think

Peace








grant the folded horn for a single 15, is that what you are asking?




http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build020.jpg



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build021.jpg



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build022.jpg



http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build023.jpg

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 03:43 PM
Sweet.........

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 03:44 PM
it is done.

JoshHd6
09-20-2006, 03:45 PM
it is done.

:veryhapp: :veryhapp: :veryhapp: :veryhapp: :veryhapp: :D

saywhat?
09-20-2006, 03:46 PM
pics or ban.

regal8r
09-20-2006, 03:55 PM
what makes this type of box so different from an ordinary ported box? idk anything about 'horns' or bandpass boxes and **** like that :crap:

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 03:56 PM
what makes this type of box so different from an ordinary ported box? idk anything about 'horns' or bandpass boxes and **** like that :crap:

Angles/reflection.............stuff like that...........

regal8r
09-20-2006, 03:58 PM
Angles/reflection.............stuff like that...........

i meant output wise

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 04:01 PM
i meant output wise

By design it boosts itself by means of said answer...........reflection/angles........thus in theory if done right making it a lil more efficient then a 6th order in a givin(designed) freq. range.

saywhat?
09-20-2006, 04:03 PM
yes teh single 15.

regal8r
09-20-2006, 04:04 PM
By design it boosts itself by means of said answer...........reflection/angles........thus in theory if done right making it a lil more efficient then a 6th order in a givin(designed) freq. range.

what does that do exactly tho? eliminate standing waves?

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 04:07 PM
what does that do exactly tho? eliminate standing waves?

this isnt a true folded horn......but look hear some and read some.........
http://www.decware.com/imperial.htm

Death By Bass
09-20-2006, 04:07 PM
what does that do exactly tho? eliminate standing waves?

lol, well, the "horn" pictured in this thread will probably have very similar output to a slot ported box, seeing as thats all this one really is...

its way too small to even be considered a horn, the mouth is too small (the opening of the horn) and the length of the horn is way too short...

but hey, apparently its going to do 100dB 1w/1m from 25Hz and up :laugh:

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 04:12 PM
when i said it was done, i didnt mean the box, i meant taking out the dark pic.

lol

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 04:13 PM
lol, well, the "horn" pictured in this thread will probably have very similar output to a slot ported box, seeing as thats all this one really is...

its way too small to even be considered a horn, the mouth is too small (the opening of the horn) and the length of the horn is way too short...

but hey, apparently its going to do 100dB 1w/1m from 25Hz and up :laugh:

Although its not a traditional design....and I agree........the program pete uses is advanced and takes in to account how air flows and sound waves move.Thats being said there is more then one way to skin a duck...........

But as pimp said earlier............still only one way to swallow a knife.

Some people are so smart they are stupid and would love for us all to know.

Death By Bass
09-20-2006, 04:19 PM
this is a exponential, front loaded, folded horn, with about 104dB efficiency from 32Hz and up, it is for one 12inch sub... strangly enough, its larger than this MAGICAL dual 15inch "horn" and only slighty more efficient... interesting hey?

http://img71.echo.cx/img71/9384/137ht.jpg

smd4life
09-20-2006, 04:25 PM
looks like a funky bandpass to me...

smd4life
09-20-2006, 04:25 PM
nevermind...

ramos
09-20-2006, 04:33 PM
this is a exponential, front loaded, folded horn, with about 104dB efficiency from 32Hz and up, it is for one 12inch sub... strangly enough, its larger than this MAGICAL dual 15inch "horn" and only slighty more efficient... interesting hey?

http://img71.echo.cx/img71/9384/137ht.jpg


Good to see a different enclosure . I was getting tired of the 6.5" :)

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 04:36 PM
Good to see a different enclosure . I was getting tired of the 6.5" :)

I dont get it.

lol

Death By Bass
09-20-2006, 04:37 PM
Good to see a different enclosure . I was getting tired of the 6.5" :)

this is old, its the first horn I made, its currently in my bedroom, with a mismatched horn, both with 12inch subs, off a 2 X 750watt PA amp...

but thats beside the point, cos I posted the pic to show that a box with 1/4 the mouth area, and half the horn length isn't going to have the claimed gain...

Fattony911
09-20-2006, 04:42 PM
so are you calling out Pete sayin his designs are ****? i dont understand im going to tell him to sign on and battle your a$$

Death By Bass
09-20-2006, 04:44 PM
so are you calling out Pete sayin his designs are ****? i dont understand im going to tell him to sign on and battle your a$$

no, I'm just saying, that from my own experience, and from others, (and from physica itself) that the design seen in this thread is going to give no gain whatsoever.

saywhat?
09-20-2006, 04:50 PM
i cant wait for him to own you DBB, you ugly mother ****er.

Death By Bass
09-20-2006, 04:56 PM
i cant wait for him to own you DBB, you ugly mother ****er.

haha!!! who own me? and how exactly will I get "owned" :laugh:

JimJ
09-20-2006, 05:00 PM
:fyi: No one person has a monopoly on good horn designs :fyi:

I think some people here are forgetting that...

gl0ck
09-20-2006, 05:02 PM
i say it looks nice/

snoopdan
09-20-2006, 05:03 PM
http://diy.cowanaudio.com/images/hornsubjr_1.gif

now thats more like it!

Death By Bass
09-20-2006, 05:03 PM
:fyi: No one person has a monopoly on good horn designs :fyi:

I think some people here are forgetting that...

that is true, but physics says, that a horn, with only just as much mouth area as the woofer has cone area isn't actually going to gain any output... :p:

you'd have a hard time finding many people who'd actually call the design posted in this thread a horn, except maybe people who dont know better, and are just repeating what they've been told...

someone was trying to tell me my horn was more like a transmission line... :veryhapp: lol

JimJ
09-20-2006, 05:06 PM
that is true, but physics says, that a horn, with only just as much mouth area as the woofer has cone area isn't actually going to gain any output... :p:

you'd have a hard time finding many people who'd actually call the design posted in this thread a horn, except maybe people who dont know better, and are just repeating what they've been told...

someone was trying to tell me my horn was more like a transmission line... :veryhapp: lol

I'm on your side on this one :p:

snoopdan
09-20-2006, 05:13 PM
I'm on your side on this one :p:

id have to agree with Jim as well, as much as I think DBB is a douche when it comes with discussing topics online, he is absolutely right about this one. That box shows little characteristics of a folded horn and more of a t-line than anything else. I also fear alot of port noise and loss of effeciency on the folds, maybe with some fiberglass and resin you could re-gain some of that though. I highly suggest resin anyways throughout the enclosure but that will probably kill your pocket book with the amount of surface area you have.

The box seems solid though, just seems alot of work for what your going to get out of it....we'll see though....the meter never lies :cool:

CJL
09-20-2006, 05:17 PM
http://diy.cowanaudio.com/images/hornsubjr_1.gif

now thats more like it!

:eek: nice

PowerNaudio
09-20-2006, 06:34 PM
well once his done he can put it on an rta an prove the output for all to see.

80INCHES
09-20-2006, 06:49 PM
http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/%7Epete/home_audio/index.html
8th order ftw


noon is good.

I am getting more clamps first....just picked up 6 18'ers off tehe bay for <30 bucks.

ive never had a table saw....I really dont know what to look for in one

i like how the box is comming out...u have alot of wood working skills


80

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 07:05 PM
thanks 80

80INCHES
09-20-2006, 07:06 PM
thanks 80

wood working skills ftw!!!

i'm thinking about buying 1 mach 12 and slapping it in a 8th order


80

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 07:12 PM
how you gonnadesign an 8th order?


i guess u been reading

80INCHES
09-20-2006, 07:24 PM
i would have the front chamber tuned to 60hz with 1 3inch areo port(the subs dont move that much air imo) and the rear chamber tuned to 28hz with 1 3 inch aeroport..have both ports playing into another chamber with 1 6inch ports tuned to 44hz

80

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 07:31 PM
8th ftw

vetkilr
09-20-2006, 07:33 PM
Oh and just orderd me some new amps.......................



again.




























And yes they are Kicker................muhahahahahaha

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 07:38 PM
get n aim

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 07:50 PM
and you learned how to do this where/

Fattony911
09-20-2006, 09:07 PM
you may have a point about it not being a traditional horn but with the given space i had in my trunk it will ahve to do. Even if it does act as a ported box ill still be happier with it than a sealed one.

nVRuckus
09-20-2006, 09:38 PM
just go sealed







:hide:

iamamp3pimp
09-20-2006, 09:40 PM
just go sealed







:hide:

FTL

nVRuckus
09-20-2006, 09:46 PM
Ima hit sealed in every thread that 80 puts bandpass in ;)

80INCHES
09-20-2006, 09:47 PM
Ima hit sealed in every thread that 80 puts bandpass in ;)

sounds good 2 me..lol

80

nVRuckus
09-20-2006, 09:49 PM
:D lol

Death By Bass
09-21-2006, 04:53 AM
you may have a point about it not being a traditional horn but with the given space i had in my trunk it will ahve to do. Even if it does act as a ported box ill still be happier with it than a sealed one.

its not a traditional anything... its not even a non traditional anything!!!

if you had limited space, you should have gone with a 4th or 6th order bandpass, and actually gained some output, instead of gaining port noise...

iamamp3pimp
09-21-2006, 07:20 AM
Enough of the drama in the thread please.........It is listed as the designer said that it was...Until he chimes in, there is no point arguing it back and forth.

ramos
09-21-2006, 07:33 AM
I dont get it.

lol

Mr. dbb had posted a picture of the 6.5" 1/4 horn he made in pretty much every thread involving anything concerning horn enclosures . I was just pointing out that it's nice to see he has built something other than just that one :)

iamamp3pimp
09-21-2006, 07:35 AM
got you

Thanks Ramos

vetkilr
09-21-2006, 08:42 AM
Mr. dbb had posted a picture of the 6.5" 1/4 horn he made in pretty much every thread involving anything concerning horn enclosures . I was just pointing out that it's nice to see he has built something other than just that one :)

Wonder if he built either let alone designed either:laugh:

iamamp3pimp
09-21-2006, 08:56 AM
hahahaha

more pics coming soon

iamamp3pimp
09-21-2006, 08:58 AM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build031.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build032.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build033.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build034.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build035.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build036.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build037.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build038.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build042.jpg

iamamp3pimp
09-21-2006, 09:00 AM
now i need to go to the store for more materials........


More finished pics up soon

ramos
09-21-2006, 09:03 AM
Nice , and god that looks heavy :)

ramos
09-21-2006, 09:05 AM
Wonder if he built either let alone designed either:laugh:



I'm a nice person , so I'll give him credit until otherwise proven different . Don't care for his condescending attitude , but such is life :)

iamamp3pimp
09-21-2006, 09:13 AM
it is heavy.

im gonna put it in the scale when i am done


-Robin

vetkilr
09-21-2006, 09:16 AM
Im not helpin you pick it up...................lol

Should of made it out of birch............

gl0ck
09-21-2006, 09:27 AM
Looks expensive, and nice real nice.

Fattony911
09-21-2006, 09:37 AM
at high school right now and email access is blocked so as soon as i get home ill send Pete an email and tell him to get over here. lol im not discouraged robin it looks sick so far. Your cuts are nice as hell for using a circular! oh well Pete will be arriving shortly .....hopefully

60ndown
09-21-2006, 09:43 AM
i hope you can get it in?

Death By Bass
09-21-2006, 04:17 PM
Mr. dbb had posted a picture of the 6.5" 1/4 horn he made in pretty much every thread involving anything concerning horn enclosures . I was just pointing out that it's nice to see he has built something other than just that one :)

I never made ANY horns for 6.5inch woofers, but anyway...

I made two different designs, for 12inch subs, and a pair of horns for 8inch woofers (which do now have 6.5inch woofers in them, but I dont recall ever posting any pics of them anyway)

oh well :crazy:

oh yeah, to the thread starter, why didn't you make it two completely seperate enclosures instead of one? they are completely isollated anyway.

Rage00
09-21-2006, 05:10 PM
.................................................. ...

iamamp3pimp
09-21-2006, 05:25 PM
oh yeah, to the thread starter, why didn't you make it two completely seperate enclosures instead of one? they are completely isollated anyway.




http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/iamamp3pimp/Worklogs/Enclosures/more/Fattony911/build010.jpg

I am taking my time on this one, as it is the most compilicated build that i have done so far. I am liking the way that it is coming out so far, and I am also interested in hearing the output from it as well. I am not sure what it will be powered with, but if i am not mistaken, it is for 2 Avalanche 15's/

If i am, fattony, chime in and let me know.

-Robin

More pics coming soon.

Designed by Pete @ Team Toxic bass, as the paper clearly says (well TTB anyway)

PowerNaudio
09-21-2006, 05:58 PM
this is my 8th wave transmision line enclosure for a 6/5" midbass driver wich i had an EU-700. i got some realy low bass out of this box.

but i like my 15" sub i got for $10 at a garage sale the lows are way louder and hit way better. lol. it pounds.

the length of the line on the 6.5 is 61.75" long. and the sub sits in a .145cuft chamber. the port had to be that long to get the bass that low. i belive it hits the 28Hz at 120db but the mic was crap so the db reading is most likely bull ****. but the 25Hz were pretty strong all the way to like 240Hz. i was impress.

here is a pic.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/402000-402999/402743_161_full.jpg

i realy wonder how low them 15"ers are going to get with such a short horn.
i know its a diffrent design then a tl, but i know they are not that far away in design aspecs.

looking good so far on the build iamamp3pimp.
will you be able to meter this monsters and rta them?

laters

iamamp3pimp
09-21-2006, 06:30 PM
no, i wont.......I dont have that type of equipment., but thanks for the compliment.

JoshHd6
09-21-2006, 06:49 PM
looking good..

Fattony911
09-21-2006, 07:09 PM
alright just sent pete an email should be over soon.

vetkilr
09-21-2006, 10:24 PM
lol

Death By Bass
09-22-2006, 08:42 PM
lol, my maths suggests, that your 127cm 1/4 wave "horn" means that the full wave would be about 5 meters, which makes it a 70Hz, 1/4 wave horn.... lol

noice!!! :p:

is the horn exponential, or conical? conical really do **** if you're trying to get a flat frequency response... ah well... with corners like that, its really not going to do much.

but good luck with it anywya, its a good project...

iamamp3pimp
09-22-2006, 08:57 PM
wow


a compliment from DBB

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 12:47 AM
Build a wicked one with a circular saw and do all of the angle cuts freehand and have it come out good ;) you'll see that box ain't **** when it comes to complication. :p:

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 12:58 AM
It looks good, but I have a couple things to say.

Pete is a lousy box designer/business man from what I have seen.I've gone undercover and tried having a box designed by him, overly large for the subs and sounded horrible. Not to mention he gave the same "rear horn" design to at least 6 people telling them it was "specifically designed just for them".

And I can see a couple spots where the cuts aren't the same height, Jordan ;) LMAO :p: I'm just messing with you.It's really hard to make out, but I'll admit I stare at box pics lol. If you are going to be a serious box builder, you NEED a GOOD table saw.

PowerNaudio
09-23-2006, 01:41 AM
Pete is a lousy box designer/business man from what I have seen.I've gone undercover and tried having a box designed by him, overly large for the subs and sounded horrible. Not to mention he gave the same "rear horn" design to at least 6 people telling them it was "specifically designed just for them".


wow, those are some serious accusations there. but if they are true, thats some shady ****, it funny how some people where calling him a god for knowin his ****. and hes selling the same designs for diffrent subs. i can see it working on some subs that meet the parameters. but for more then a hand full, its very doubt full.

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 02:20 AM
lol, well I was saying it was a crap design from the start, now wasn't I...

sheesh!!!

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 02:23 AM
Let's see, OFFHAND the SAME "rear horn" design was given out to people with at LEAST 4 different subs.Probably more.Each one was told it was "very specifically designed for their sub and musical tastes".

Get this, on one of them he even put another hole in the SAME box to make it a "double shot".The EXACT same design for a single sub, he just put another hole in and said it was one for two subs.Now watch, a fanboy is going to come in here calling me a liar. I'll have to try and find the threads on sound domain when I get more time.

Get this, he designed a SIMPLE ported box for some guy (nikosbuddy I believe) and the sub just unloaded at all freq.Great designer eh? He also over does the explanation of what you're getting.Makes it sound much more technical and complicated than it really is.I got plenty more from where this came from, but I'm going to go get myself a piece of warm cherry pie and throw some ice cream on top.

iamamp3pimp
09-23-2006, 02:25 AM
While you are eating that cherry pie........clean out your pm box

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 02:25 AM
lol, well I was saying it was a crap design from the start, now wasn't I...

sheesh!!!


As much as I don't like you, I have to REALLY agree with you in this thread.

You are probably right, it'll probably just act like a slot ported box of a tuning of god knows what with that port like that.

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 02:30 AM
Cleaned :)

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 02:30 AM
As much as I don't like you, I have to REALLY agree with you in this thread.

You are probably right, it'll probably just act like a ported box of a tuning of god knows what with that port like that.

I love you too man!!! :p:

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 02:49 AM
what were the max box dimensions, and what are the woofers?

I'll try come up with a design that actually suits the woofers, and vehicle...

then, you can make it if you like, and see what a proper enclosure sounds like... :p:

iamamp3pimp
09-23-2006, 03:07 AM
what were the max box dimensions, and what are the woofers?

I'll try come up with a design that actually suits the woofers, and vehicle...

then, you can make it if you like, and see what a proper enclosure sounds like... :p:

I am pretty familiar with that already, if you werent aware of that, click the links in my sig........

It speaks for itself

-Robin

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 03:11 AM
Sonic orange creamslush = pretty good

BTW: Sketchup does take practice ;)

iamamp3pimp
09-23-2006, 03:15 AM
I agree.

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 03:20 AM
I was talking about designing a horn... not a ported enclosure...

see, this was an SPL enclosure I came up with, but never made...

it has about a 240cm long signal path, making it a 36Hz 1/4 wave horn, compared to the 70Hz one posted at the start of this thread, which was claimed to have a flat response down to 25Hz? lol

anyway, I may make this enclosure oneday, but the car it was for has now been sold... the vehicle peaked at 44Hz, so I needed it to play fairly low... it was designed for two DD9510's... the aim was 150dB at 44Hz.... maybe it would have done it... maybe not...

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4639/splhorneq5.png

anyway, enjoy the poorly tuned ported enclosure at the start of this thread. lol

iamamp3pimp
09-23-2006, 03:32 AM
if you wanted to throw out a free horn design, make one for a 5 1/4 Philips HTS Speaker, and ill tell you what i think of it....its in my house

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 03:37 AM
the design at the start of this thread... with a few guestimations, and assumptions, I come to a figure of about 55 litres (1.9cuft) per driver, tuned to about 40Hz....

so, please dont get your hopes up at all, cos you may very likely be extremely disapointed...

you want a horn design, for a 5 1/4inch woofer?

if you actually have specs for the woofer, then I'll come up with something.

iamamp3pimp
09-23-2006, 03:41 AM
the design at the start of this thread... with a few guestimations, and assumptions, I come to a figure of about 55 litres (1.9cuft) per driver, tuned to about 40Hz....

so, please dont get your hopes up at all, cos you may very likely be extremely disapointed...

you want a horn design, for a 5 1/4inch woofer?

if you actually have specs for the woofer, then I'll come up with something.

that has already been established by you, which based on your credibility doesnt really say anything at all. beyond that, i dont have any specs on it......just think of your average cheap *** HTS speaker, that is 3 ohms, and accepts about 60 watts before catching on fire.

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 03:42 AM
that has already been established by you, which based on your credibility doesnt really say anything at all. beyond that, i dont have any specs on it......just think of your average cheap *** HTS speaker, that is 3 ohms, and accepts about 60 watts before catching on fire.

1. I have no idea what you're talking about

and

2. I'm not designing a horn for a woofer with unknown specs.

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 03:54 AM
You want some credibility? Or something to kill time. . . . . Design a horn to peak at 46-47hz for a 6.5" tangband at PE (you know the one I'm talking about), or a ED 6.5. I will thrown it on a TL eventually and post the results with a vid. ;) In fact I'd put one of my experimental boxes against it ;) because I don't have anything better to do lol.

Specs. for either aren't too hard to get.

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 03:57 AM
You want some credibility? Or something to kill time. . . . . Design a horn to peak at 46-47hz for a 6.5" tangband at PE (you know the one I'm talking about), or a ED 6.5. I will thrown it on a TL eventually and post the results with a vid. ;) In fact I'd put one of my experimental boxes against it ;) because I don't have anything better to do lol.

Specs. for either aren't too hard to get.

what car though? cos horns only work properly in vans, station wagons, SUV's etc...

they dont work at all in hatch backs, or sedans...

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 04:06 AM
I don't "do" sedans.

SUV :)

bdawson72
09-23-2006, 04:06 AM
do they work in pickup trucks?

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 04:07 AM
I don't "do" sedans.

SUV :)

max box size? lol

desired mdf thickness?

it'll be in CM, not inches... so go buy a metric ruler... lol

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 04:08 AM
do they work in pickup trucks?

:uhoh: no...

Mountaineer Man, ya got msn or yahoo?

Pyro_By_Nature
09-23-2006, 04:09 AM
Yeah I have MSN, throw me a PM with your info and I'll add ya.

bdawson72
09-23-2006, 04:20 AM
:uhoh: no...



What was that 4? I was asking a simple question and i actually found your posts informative but why be an *** about it?

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 04:23 AM
What was that 4? I was asking a simple question and i actually found your posts informative but why be an *** about it?

they MAY work in a pickup, with a cutout... or the whole rear window remove, and the horns mouth there :D :up2somet:

lol, I metered one of my 12inch horns at home, off about 500watts, with the sensor sitting level with the mouth of the horn, it did numbers as follows:

no, wait, cant find the number... banned from the forum I posted them on... oh well... ahah

bdawson72
09-23-2006, 04:28 AM
they MAY work in a pickup, with a cutout... or the whole rear window remove, and the horns mouth there :D :up2somet:

lol, I metered one of my 12inch horns at home, off about 500watts, with the sensor sitting level with the mouth of the horn, it did numbers as follows:

no, wait, cant find the number... banned from the forum I posted them on... oh well... ahah

lol.......that sux.......i eventually want to do a blowthrough in a bandpass enclosure with 4 mag 12's but i wouldnt know what order would be optimal for them

vetkilr
09-23-2006, 08:12 PM
Sonic orange creamslush = pretty good




:yumyum: :yumyum: :yumyum:

Death By Bass
09-23-2006, 09:06 PM
What was that 4? I was asking a simple question and i actually found your posts informative but why be an *** about it?

ok, I found the numbers, but they werent as good as I thought... ah well...

138.5 at 70Hz
138.0 at 60Hz
136.0 at 50Hz
134.2 at 40Hz
130.1 at 30Hz
126.1 at 20Hz

it was metered with the TL sensor like 2 feet from the horns opening...

Death By Bass
09-24-2006, 01:41 AM
what were the max dimensions of the enclosure?

I'm sure you could come up with something that actually suits the woofers...

anyone?

what vehicle was this enclosure going in? :p:

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 02:33 PM
In this case, it really doesn’t take
long for some folks to be revealed as clueless. And the first tip-off
presents itself in form of a comparison of my design to a front-loading
exponential horn and then a high-tune transmission line. Apples and
oranges have more in common. Their attempt at applying quarter-wave math
to a conical rear horn, alone, aught to give you an idea of how skewed
their references are. Granted, a front loading horn (whether conical or
exponential) does achieve it’s coupling / loading effect through a
wave length multiplier along with gradual velocity-to-air mass transfer
along a designated contour. Rear horns, on the other hand use the air
mass inside the horn as a resonant “spring mass” much like a
ported enclosure allowing the horn to be shorter yet still effectively
couple the back-wave to the air mass at the mouth of the port. Take a
semi-conical folded rear horn like the “snail shell”, for
instance; in most of them, the effective horn length averages roughly 65
inches so, according to that forum’s take on horns, most snail
shells are in fact designed to reproduce mid-bass. At any rate, I do hope
you enjoy the sound quality, response, and the output of your design.

Pete

Sales, Team Toxic Bass

gl0ck
09-25-2006, 02:45 PM
cooolness

vetkilr
09-25-2006, 02:53 PM
"Can O worms".......errrrrrrrrrrrr................ being open'd.

nVRuckus
09-25-2006, 02:56 PM
In this case, it really doesn’t take
long for some folks to be revealed as clueless. And the first tip-off
presents itself in form of a comparison of my design to a front-loading
exponential horn and then a high-tune transmission line. Apples and
oranges have more in common. Their attempt at applying quarter-wave math
to a conical rear horn, alone, aught to give you an idea of how skewed
their references are. Granted, a front loading horn (whether conical or
exponential) does achieve it’s coupling / loading effect through a
wave length multiplier along with gradual velocity-to-air mass transfer
along a designated contour. Rear horns, on the other hand use the air
mass inside the horn as a resonant “spring mass” much like a
ported enclosure allowing the horn to be shorter yet still effectively
couple the back-wave to the air mass at the mouth of the port. Take a
semi-conical folded rear horn like the “snail shell”, for
instance; in most of them, the effective horn length averages roughly 65
inches so, according to that forum’s take on horns, most snail
shells are in fact designed to reproduce mid-bass. At any rate, I do hope
you enjoy the sound quality, response, and the output of your design.

Pete

Sales, Team Toxic Bass

sounds like pete calling a bunch of people ignant by proxy LOL

CBFryman2
09-25-2006, 03:01 PM
How did I miss this entire thread?

:laugh:

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 03:09 PM
sounds like pete calling a bunch of people ignant by proxy LOL

naw just clearing up waht was said i wanna see someone try and come back with something to say to that....you can't.

Flipx99
09-25-2006, 03:09 PM
Is it just me or do the "legs" the piece that is angled near the left and the right look more angled in the pic than in the build. I dunno though as I am relatively inexperience on building complex boxes. The cuts look good for what you have, as I have a table saw and can't cut worth ****. I bought a new table saw with the fence on a rack so the top and bottom are always straight.

Good luck and I hope the customer enjoys it.

iamamp3pimp
09-25-2006, 03:22 PM
Is it just me or do the "legs" the piece that is angled near the left and the right look more angled in the pic than in the build. I dunno though as I am relatively inexperience on building complex boxes. The cuts look good for what you have, as I have a table saw and can't cut worth ****. I bought a new table saw with the fence on a rack so the top and bottom are always straight.

Good luck and I hope the customer enjoys it.

might be you..

according to the printed design (there were 7 pages total) the space between the end of the first angled piece, and the outer wall was 3.2 inches. I uses 3.2 inch blocks to hold that wall in place, while the glue dried.


gotta remember as well, the build is much larger than the pic, and you will get that effect.

nVRuckus
09-25-2006, 03:24 PM
Robin where did you buy them 90deg clamps? I need one.

iamamp3pimp
09-25-2006, 03:28 PM
the bay

JoshHd6
09-25-2006, 03:30 PM
^^^the bay FTW..

Flipx99
09-25-2006, 03:30 PM
might be you..

according to the printed design (there were 7 pages total) the space between the end of the first angled piece, and the outer wall was 3.2 inches. I uses 3.2 inch blocks to hold that wall in place, while the glue dried.


gotta remember as well, the build is much larger than the pic, and you will get that effect.

I see....



Robin where did you buy them 90deg clamps? I need one.

Lowe's also sells them.

iamamp3pimp
09-25-2006, 03:33 PM
yeah but i got mine for about 9 dollars shipped.

lowes wants more than that


i need more...I want to have about 6 of em.

Flipx99
09-25-2006, 03:39 PM
yeah but i got mine for about 9 dollars shipped.

lowes wants more than that


i need more...I want to have about 6 of em.

True....It also looks as if yours can tighten down independantly...for example it would still do a 90* if one piece was bigger/thicker (read double baffle) than the other, a definite plus I didn't think about. I use these:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=43397-28920-42841&lpage=none

It is good for "auto centering" @90*

Also, here is a link for that table saw:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=13228-70-DW744S&lpage=none


If you didn't know/couldn't guess I also work for Lowe's.

iamamp3pimp
09-25-2006, 03:57 PM
I didn't know that

springy101
09-25-2006, 04:01 PM
http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/~pete/home_audio/index.html

holy freakin crap, anyone have the design for that voight pipe?

Death By Bass
09-25-2006, 04:08 PM
Take a
semi-conical folded rear horn like the “snail shell”, for
instance; in most of them, the effective horn length averages roughly 65
inches so, according to that forum’s take on horns, most snail
shells are in fact designed to reproduce mid-bass. At any rate, I do hope
you enjoy the sound quality, response, and the output of your design.


oh, well, you can compare your "design" to an SS if you want, but everyone who has made one based on some plans that were going around were extremely disapointed by the output after all the hype people were making about them.

not to mention the fact that all the videos of the SS would strongly suggest that they are no louder than a normal ported box anyway...

which is exactly what I said the "horn" (lol, how can you even call it that and keep a straight face?) in this thread, will act like a ported box, and nothing more...

the end... I guess time well tell...

hell, why dont you design a "horn" (lol) for the woofers that MM is going to make some real horns for, and he can make both and compare?

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185011

JimJ
09-25-2006, 04:15 PM
Plans for folded pipes are available at many places...DIYAudio has an excellent section for full range drivers.

True Voigts aren't very good designs, but folded they do much better :) With those 8" drivers, phase plugs would probably be a really good idea...

Fast1one
09-25-2006, 04:19 PM
http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/~pete/home_audio/index.html

holy freakin crap, anyone have the design for that voight pipe?I want one as well :naughty: Anyone here capable of designing one for any driver?

Flipx99
09-25-2006, 04:20 PM
I couldn't find any designs on the www.diyaudio.com site, but I am not really sure where to look.

springy101
09-25-2006, 04:22 PM
link to any sites jimj?

JimJ
09-25-2006, 04:22 PM
The Full Range driver section has tons of plans, you didn't look in the right spot :)

Go here as well...http://melhuish.org/audio/fullrange.html

Flipx99
09-25-2006, 04:23 PM
The Full Range driver section has tons of plans, you didn't look in the right spot :)

Go here as well...http://melhuish.org/audio/fullrange.html

You're right...I skipped over that one.

Death By Bass
09-25-2006, 04:24 PM
oh yeah, the only reason you'd do a rear loaded horn, is if you want a full frequency range...

if its a horn for a subwoofer, there's no reason to do a rear loaded horn, other than because you dont like your sub bass sounding as good as it could... lol

JimJ
09-25-2006, 04:25 PM
Crossoverless single speakers are interesting critters...not the best for everything, but they're magical at what they do best :)

Fast1one
09-25-2006, 04:26 PM
link to any sites jimj?In here I believe...im registering right now....

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=51

Flipx99
09-25-2006, 04:26 PM
partsexpress has some as well, but the require building crossovers, which is a little beyond level of understandinfg

Death By Bass
09-25-2006, 04:31 PM
this is what I'm aiming towards:

http://www.royaldevice.com/custom.htm

*scroll down abit to see pics of what I'm talking about*

:p:

CBFryman2
09-25-2006, 04:48 PM
this is what I'm aiming towards:

http://www.royaldevice.com/custom.htm

*scroll down abit to see pics of what I'm talking about*

:p:

I've always loved that project. :yumyum:

Flipx99
09-25-2006, 04:52 PM
this is what I'm aiming towards:

http://www.royaldevice.com/custom.htm

*scroll down abit to see pics of what I'm talking about*

:p:

The house/room is the enclosure?

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 04:54 PM
Well I'm glad you enjoy the enclosure for your 12's and I hope my
clarification in the previous e-mail will put this thread to rest. I
realize that may not be the case though; some people dispute just to
dispute. But in the end, it's the word of one jackass againct hundreds of
customers whose utmost regard for our custom designs made the phrase
"Designed by Team Toxic Bass" virtually a status item. I think the best
approach that you could take to counter any more foul talk about my team
would be to voice your satisfaction with designs that you know for a fact
were designed by me for you to use in a specific acoustic environment.

Pete

Sales, Team Toxic Bass



I just finished building a box for 2 12' fubr (designed by Pete) it was tuned to about 35hz off a pa a2400db it just did 141.8 at the headrest and i forget what it did at the kick but was a bit lower box was simple with subs facing up and port back with 90* in corner right before the port will post pics in a sec. was just wondering how Pete could use the same plans over again like someone ahd previously said when i tell him exactly what i want with the exact deminsions that i need?oh well anyways when i get my system metered ill let you guys kno what im puttin up

Death By Bass
09-25-2006, 04:57 PM
I just finished building a box for 2 12' fubr (designed by Pete) it was tuned to about 35hz off a pa a2400db it just did 141.8 at the headrest and i forget what it did at the kick but was a bit lower box was simple with subs facing up and port back with 90* in corner right before the port will post pics in a sec. was just wondering how Pete could use the same plans over again like someone ahd previously said when i tell him exactly what i want with the exact deminsions that i need?oh well anyways when i get my system metered ill let you guys kno what im puttin up

ah, MATE, how many YEARS old is that email though? lol

if it was metered on the headrest, then its going to be an OLD AC mic, which probably hasn't been used for 5 years, and could be measuring anywhere from 5 to 10dBs higher than a TL... :rolleyes: :uhoh: lol

nice.... hahaha

edit: ok, so you have one happy customer, thats good... lol...

what vehicle was this? what mic? what frequency... 141dB from two 12's doesn't sound very impressive, expecially in an enclosure thats really tuned too high for music... yes, 35Hz is higher than I'd tune ANY 12's.

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 05:05 PM
naw it was a new tl working on pics as i type..is 35 really too high for music, dont think so. its for street beating anyways the customer (not me) wanted to get low and loud

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 05:09 PM
right here

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 05:10 PM
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7066/0011705nq9.th.png (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0011705nq9.png)

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 05:10 PM
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9450/0011703ux3.th.png (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0011703ux3.png)

Immacomputer
09-25-2006, 05:16 PM
What's special about that enclosure?

I would never tune my subs to 35hz. Currently, I'm wanting lower than 29hz and my f3 is around 24hz or so. Not low enough for my much of my music.

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 05:19 PM
What's special about that enclosure?

I would never tune my subs to 35hz. Currently, I'm wanting lower than 29hz and my f3 is around 24hz or so. Not low enough for my much of my music.

NOTHING is special about it i was just saying that i was satisfied with the output ****!!
oh DBB go to www.realmofexcursion.com click on the "videos" on the top left click on the section "ascendant Audio" 5th video down is Pete's 2 15" AVA's in the same exact enclousure off the same amount of power only mine wont be in a wall. I think this will put your naysaying to rest you SOB. see you in hell lol

CBFryman2
09-25-2006, 05:23 PM
141 on the head rest from 2 12's tuned to 35Hz.

thoes better be some cerial poopy 12's for me to be impressed...cerial.

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 05:24 PM
fubr 12's 60 bucks shipped a peice
it was done in a car in the trunk seats up 1994 Mercedez c230 to be exact

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 05:25 PM
http://realmofexcursion.com/videos/AscendantAudio/avalanche15.4.wmv

CBFryman2
09-25-2006, 05:36 PM
Put two 15's of that magnatued with that much power in a giant "snail shell" type enclosure walled off into a cabin that small....what do you expect?

Im not claiming Toxic Bass doesnt do what they say they do because they have lots of satisfied customers. But find better examples if you want to prove anything to other people. :)

newusername
09-25-2006, 05:55 PM
Although many people seem to be satisfied with the TTB designs, I would have a hard time believing that the horn posted in the first post would be satisfactory. Again, I agree that the mouth is not big enough, the throat does not flare enough, and the line is not long enough. Of course, by keeping the throat and mouth to a smaller and consistent size, you are able to keep the line length down, but you also lose a lot of SPL.

Neil

Fattony911
09-25-2006, 06:27 PM
it was designed to the max deminsions of my car so he made use of what he had available

delvryboy
09-25-2006, 11:51 PM
looks like a ported box to me..... :confused:

Death By Bass
09-26-2006, 04:14 AM
naw it was a new tl working on pics as i type..is 35 really too high for music, dont think so. its for street beating anyways the customer (not me) wanted to get low and loud

ah... who puts a tl on the headrest? lol :rolleyes:

Death By Bass
09-26-2006, 04:16 AM
looks like a ported box to me..... :confused:

it is a ported box, with a slightly flared port, and varying port widths... lol

Death By Bass
09-26-2006, 05:32 AM
NOTHING is special about it i was just saying that i was satisfied with the output ****!!
oh DBB go to www.realmofexcursion.com click on the "videos" on the top left click on the section "ascendant Audio" 5th video down is Pete's 2 15" AVA's in the same exact enclousure off the same amount of power only mine wont be in a wall. I think this will put your naysaying to rest you SOB. see you in hell lol

sorry to disappoint, but thats not the exact same enclosure... lol

Fattony911
09-26-2006, 09:33 AM
yeah not Exact port is facing up with the subs.
DBB i am going to admit you are right now will you please go away. You obviously are so close minded that whatever i say you have a comeback for (for some reason) but you obviously wrong and you just dont want to admit it for everyones reading pleasure i will post Petes note again.BTW we were messing around with the mic we put it in various places (kick,headrest,port and dash) it was a dry run on music. why is your beef with me talk directly to Pete if you feel he's ripping people off or GTFO

Fattony911
09-26-2006, 09:40 AM
oh, well, you can compare your "design" to an SS if you want, but everyone who has made one based on some plans that were going around were extremely disapointed by the output after all the hype people were making about them.

not to mention the fact that all the videos of the SS would strongly suggest that they are no louder than a normal ported box anyway...

which is exactly what I said the "horn" (lol, how can you even call it that and keep a straight face?) in this thread, will act like a ported box, and nothing more...

the end... I guess time well tell...

hell, why dont you design a "horn" (lol) for the woofers that MM is going to make some real horns for, and he can make both and compare?

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185011

he wasn'ty reffering my box to a snail shell he was simply using it as an example.

Immacomputer
09-26-2006, 10:53 AM
yeah not Exact port is facing up with the subs.
DBB i am going to admit you are right now will you please go away. You obviously are so close minded that whatever i say you have a comeback for (for some reason) but you obviously wrong and you just dont want to admit it for everyones reading pleasure i will post Petes note again.BTW we were messing around with the mic we put it in various places (kick,headrest,port and dash) it was a dry run on music. why is your beef with me talk directly to Pete if you feel he's ripping people off or GTFO

I think the problem is that YOU feel ripped off, not that we think he is ripping people off. If you are happy with your purchase, why are you getting so bothered by DBB's posts? He is stating how he feels based on his experience with horns. If you think he is an idiot who has no clue about what's going on, why do you keep worrying about his comments?

Why do people get so worked up about defending stuff they bought as if they were the creator?

Fattony911
09-26-2006, 12:55 PM
well it wouldnt bother me but everyones believing him and sayin like "yeah thats not a horn" but as you can clearly read in Petes post you can see hes wrong.

Death By Bass
09-26-2006, 04:08 PM
well it wouldnt bother me but everyones believing him and sayin like "yeah thats not a horn" but as you can clearly read in Petes post you can see hes wrong.

they are believing me, because its true, and they know it, because other have designed and used horns aswell, or atleast looked at the theory behind them, to know that what you've got isn't a horn...

saywhat?
09-26-2006, 04:13 PM
god **** ive never seen sucha ***** fest out of a single ******* on this forum in years!

PowerNaudio
09-26-2006, 06:02 PM
it was designed to the max deminsions of my car so he made use of what he had available

im not saying this to put any one down, or get on anyones side, just stating a point.

since i have build and design enclosures that because of the lack of space, i have had to convince the customer to down grade to a single sub to be able to get the best possible amount of sound out of one sub, instead of getting lousy performance out of two perfectly good sub, and as an end result the customer is more then happy, and learn that big subs or more subs doesn't always = good or loud bass. when the space available doesn't allow for the desired amount of subs or for the use of that particular sub.


I'm not an expert at the subject of horn loaded enclosure or an expert at all. but i have had done a little bit of reading on this subject and designed and build a couple for experimentation.

now to my point. ones the designer has the information regarding these questions.
1: how many subs are we using?.
2: how much area do i have for this enclosure?.
3: what is the customer trying to get out of this system? sq,sql,spl, etc...
4: what are the internal dimensions of the vehicle as far as how will cabin gain affect the system.

he can then sit down and select not only the best enclosure for the task, meaning sealed, ported, bandpass, TL. horn. etc....

but also if its appropriate to have a single or dual sub setup to get the optimum output from the system.

so if there was so much effort and experience behind this design and taken in to consideration the lack of space, size and amount of subs, then doing the horn loaded enclosure with dual 15" subs, would of clearly not been the best choice for this particular install.

most of the times the customer gets what he wants. and the designer/builder just makes the best of what the customer has at the customers request.

so if the enclosure sounds like *** and Pete told you it would sound like ***, and you told him you still want it and he gives you the best dual 15" horn loaded enclosure he can fit in your vehicle. then that's really your fault and waisted money, if it does in fact sounds like ***. which none of us really know till the enclosure is finally done.

now if you told him what you had to work with and he plainly told you, here is the best enclosure design for them subs. and it ends up sounding like *** once the build is done. then that's on Pete. and i would request more then the cash paid for the design.


but untill the enclosure is done with and you as a customer aprove or desaprove on the sound. then will just have to wait. lol.

so iamamp3pimp any updates on the build?

Fattony911
09-26-2006, 06:27 PM
im not saying this to put any one down, or get on anyones side, just stating a point.

since i have build and design enclosures that because of the lack of space, i have had to convince the customer to down grade to a single sub to be able to get the best possible amount of sound out of one sub, instead of getting lousy performance out of two perfectly good sub, and as an end result the customer is more then happy, and learn that big subs or more subs doesn't always = good or loud bass. when the space available doesn't allow for the desired amount of subs or for the use of that particular sub.


I'm not an expert at the subject of horn loaded enclosure or an expert at all. but i have had done a little bit of reading on this subject and designed and build a couple for experimentation.

now to my point. ones the designer has the information regarding these questions.
1: how many subs are we using?.
2: how much area do i have for this enclosure?.
3: what is the customer trying to get out of this system? sq,sql,spl, etc...
4: what are the internal dimensions of the vehicle as far as how will cabin gain affect the system.

he can then sit down and select not only the best enclosure for the task, meaning sealed, ported, bandpass, TL. horn. etc....

but also if its appropriate to have a single or dual sub setup to get the optimum output from the system.

so if there was so much effort and experience behind this design and taken in to consideration the lack of space, size and amount of subs, then doing the horn loaded enclosure with dual 15" subs, would of clearly not been the best choice for this particular install.

most of the times the customer gets what he wants. and the designer/builder just makes the best of what the customer has at the customers request.

so if the enclosure sounds like *** and Pete told you it would sound like ***, and you told him you still want it and he gives you the best dual 15" horn loaded enclosure he can fit in your vehicle. then that's really your fault and waisted money, if it does in fact sounds like ***. which none of us really know till the enclosure is finally done.

now if you told him what you had to work with and he plainly told you, here is the best enclosure design for them subs. and it ends up sounding like *** once the build is done. then that's on Pete. and i would request more then the cash paid for the design.


but untill the enclosure is done with and you as a customer aprove or desaprove on the sound. then will just have to wait. lol.

so iamamp3pimp any updates on the build?

my thoughts exactly, but even if it does sound like a big port ill still be happy regardless lol but all in all i think it will preform Pete has yet to let me down on plans they all sound amazing.

iamamp3pimp
09-26-2006, 06:53 PM
yes.

It is done.

and there are pics.

but they are not posted yet, as i am at work, and will post them tonight/tomorrow.

JoshHd6
09-26-2006, 08:29 PM
^^^^:)

iamamp3pimp
09-26-2006, 08:35 PM
oh Josh, You have progress as well.


Thread will be up in a couple of days, as i want it to be done first.

-Robin

JoshHd6
09-26-2006, 08:43 PM
^..:) :) :) :) :) :)

Toxic Tuan
09-27-2006, 03:23 AM
WOW!!!!!

All I can say is WOW!!!!

Hi Guys,
Thank you iamamp3pimp for bringing this thread to my attention. As you guys may know...I'm the team Captain of Team Toxic Bass. Let me clarify some things is you don't mind.

Horns: many may give a fancy name "horn" BUT a true horn will only exist inside of a room...or will require a size of a room...with a large cabin. Any horn inside a vehicle is never true horn...but does have horn characteristics. Hence...many of car audio enthusiasts calls them horns. These horn characteristics may include horn compression, horn guide, decompression....etc. Again...a true horn has yet to exist and work well in a vehicle...not even in a extreme vehicle. (note: with this i mean to exist better than other enclosures.)

What it looks like: Do not let the eye fool you. Don't assume that just because it's a particular box...it'll perform a certain way. Vehicle consideration is always taken effect.

I trust in Pete's ability to design and build enclosures. Pete has gone a long way since I've first met him and designed the infamous so called "Rear Horn" in his vehicle. Many people criticized because it was a wall that allowed it to do the hairtrick. Well, first of all...it's way behind the B pillar. Secondly...I challenge anybody to try and duplicate it...not as easy as most people think with 2 subs and 1 amp on a 12 volt system. We've had many many manufactures contact us with regards to the setup...questioning what the heck we did with their products to produce that kind of dynamics. On certain designs...especially in the high order series...I can very well tell you that Pete has surpassed my designs and brought it to a new level.

Box design charges: As a team...we don't charge box designs to make money for our pockets...we actually use the money towards the website and try to bring info to other car audio enthusiasts. You will see a lot more information and tutorial after the 2006 DBDRAG finals when I'm not so busy.

News and Important:
Last year...many people questioned and challenged that we're all hype and we know nothing of SPL. So when 2006 DBDRAG season kicked in...I decided to take that challenge up. This is were I prove my point: I'll be at DBDRAG finals in 3 weeks. I tied with the defending world champ on the highest US certified score of 154.7 with 2 10's, 2 amps and 1 battery: DBDRAG Street A. I can break a 154 db with just about every decent sub you give me...including SoundStream T4's....very inexpensive drivers. I'm not sure if our point has been proven...but let's see how well I do at finals. =) Not too bad so far for a 1st year noobie? Fingers crossed.

With the box I'm using in my vehicle right now...most experienced box builder will tell you that "according to theory" it's impossible for that box to work.

I'm doing all of this because I love car audio. This has nothing to do with money or ego or anything of that nature. I hope you guys will see our true motive.

Thanks,
Tuan

delvryboy
09-27-2006, 05:06 AM
WOW!!!!!

All I can say is WOW!!!!

Hi Guys,
Thank you iamamp3pimp for bringing this thread to my attention. As you guys may know...I'm the team Captain of Team Toxic Bass. Let me clarify some things is you don't mind.

Horns: many may give a fancy name "horn" BUT a true horn will only exist inside of a room...or will require a size of a room...with a large cabin. Any horn inside a vehicle is never true horn...but does have horn characteristics. Hence...many of car audio enthusiasts calls them horns. These horn characteristics may include horn compression, horn guide, decompression....etc. Again...a true horn has yet to exist and work well in a vehicle...not even in a extreme vehicle. (note: with this i mean to exist better than other enclosures.)

What it looks like: Do not let the eye fool you. Don't assume that just because it's a particular box...it'll perform a certain way. Vehicle consideration is always taken effect.

I trust in Pete's ability to design and build enclosures. Pete has gone a long way since I've first met him and designed the infamous so called "Rear Horn" in his vehicle. Many people criticized because it was a wall that allowed it to do the hairtrick. Well, first of all...it's way behind the B pillar. Secondly...I challenge anybody to try and duplicate it...not as easy as most people think with 2 subs and 1 amp on a 12 volt system. We've had many many manufactures contact us with regards to the setup...questioning what the heck we did with their products to produce that kind of dynamics. On certain designs...especially in the high order series...I can very well tell you that Pete has surpassed my designs and brought it to a new level.

Box design charges: As a team...we don't charge box designs to make money for our pockets...we actually use the money towards the website and try to bring info to other car audio enthusiasts. You will see a lot more information and tutorial after the 2006 DBDRAG finals when I'm not so busy.

News and Important:
Last year...many people questioned and challenged that we're all hype and we know nothing of SPL. So when 2006 DBDRAG season kicked in...I decided to take that challenge up. This is were I prove my point: I'll be at DBDRAG finals in 3 weeks. I tied with the defending world champ on the highest US certified score of 154.7 with 2 10's, 2 amps and 1 battery: DBDRAG Street A. I can break a 154 db with just about every decent sub you give me...including SoundStream T4's....very inexpensive drivers. I'm not sure if our point has been proven...but let's see how well I do at finals. =) Not too bad so far for a 1st year noobie? Fingers crossed.

With the box I'm using in my vehicle right now...most experienced box builder will tell you that "according to theory" it's impossible for that box to work.

I'm doing all of this because I love car audio. This has nothing to do with money or ego or anything of that nature. I hope you guys will see our true motive.

Thanks,
Tuan
hehe, i was lookin' at your certified steet A score last night.... nice job! :D

Death By Bass
09-27-2006, 05:08 AM
hehe, i was lookin' at your certified steet A score last night.... nice job! :D

not that that has anything to do with anything, and I dont even know why he posted his lifes story here, whats it got to do with anything? :rolleyes:

Toxic Tuan
09-27-2006, 12:31 PM
not that that has anything to do with anything, and I dont even know why he posted his lifes story here, whats it got to do with anything? :rolleyes:

Because when people talk smack...I have to back it up with a REAL certified number and not just claim some numbers like most people. If that's not proof...I don't know what is. :)

tuan

Fattony911
09-27-2006, 12:32 PM
not that that has anything to do with anything, and I dont even know why he posted his lifes story here, whats it got to do with anything? :rolleyes:

AWWW it's ok if your still upset about Steve Irwin's death youll get over it soon.

ramos
09-27-2006, 12:37 PM
WOW!!!!!


Horns: many may give a fancy name "horn" BUT a true horn will only exist inside of a room...or will require a size of a room...with a large cabin. Any horn inside a vehicle is never true horn...but does have horn characteristics. Hence...many of car audio enthusiasts calls them horns. These horn characteristics may include horn compression, horn guide, decompression....etc. Again...a true horn has yet to exist and work well in a vehicle...not even in a extreme vehicle. (note: with this i mean to exist better than other enclosures.)





Tis true , the only True horn I have ever seen was fargin huge :)

Death By Bass
10-12-2006, 04:47 PM
so, what happened with this?

break 140dB at 80Hz? lol

Skip01
10-12-2006, 05:26 PM
I like pie....:)

Since i read this whole thread and had nothing to add it...i thought id just let everyone know that i like pie:yumyum:


Cool designs..., always wanted to try something like that with a 6.5 or something...complicated stuff.
Hats off to all parties in here.:D

iamamp3pimp
10-12-2006, 07:48 PM
He doesnt have his amp yet, but he picked up the box about 2 weeks ago.

other than that, it weighed about 130 pounds.

kicker06
10-12-2006, 08:52 PM
AWWW it's ok if your still upset about Steve Irwin's death youll get over it soon.

wow.

lol

Fattony911
10-13-2006, 09:37 AM
wow.

lol

lol, hey robin i got a matte spray (black) and painted the whole port it realy looks cool. cleaned it up got the termianls in all ready to go just still waitin on the amps im think about going with a pa a3000db to run the 2 15" Ava's lemme know what you think

iamamp3pimp
10-13-2006, 12:28 PM
thats kick ***.

think you should talk to pete about the power, or run what you told him you would be running ya know?

Fattony911
10-13-2006, 02:21 PM
yup i told him about 900 watts a peice i actually didn't get into what gear i was using but i guess its all the same i mean he knows it was for two ava's just not which amp.

Death By Bass
10-13-2006, 03:19 PM
He doesnt have his amp yet, but he picked up the box about 2 weeks ago.

other than that, it weighed about 130 pounds.

that MUST make it good!!! :laugh: :rolleyes: :eyebrow: :uhoh:

saywhat?
10-13-2006, 03:42 PM
that MUST make it good!!! :laugh: :rolleyes: :eyebrow: :uhoh:

do you not shut up? really none cars WHAT if ACTS like..fact of the matter is, its a dope box. be it ported or a horn. Hell it could a ****, or horted for what we care. Its a dope box, and your retarded as all hell.

iamamp3pimp
10-13-2006, 05:05 PM
that MUST make it good!!! :laugh: :rolleyes: :eyebrow: :uhoh:

i was just describing how much it weighed.

Fattony911
10-13-2006, 05:10 PM
that MUST make it good!!! :laugh: :rolleyes: :eyebrow: :uhoh:

shouldn't you be in bed or are you pulling an all nighter...??

Fattony911
10-15-2006, 08:57 PM
alright well today i had some free time and remebered that i had a ht 200 watt amp so i decided to do some testing and all i can say is GOD DAM^ it was so loud and amplified the sub inevery way possible. I showed my dad with the sub playing out of the box, ehh somewhat loud, then while it was still playing i dopped it in the box and bam it started to shake my house apart my mom could even hear it outside while she was gardening I was only using the one sub so i can only imagine how it will sound with two off a much more powerful amp. It made my dad laugh he thought it was soo cool how it could do that (he's pretty nerdy lol) anyways i was amazed how it hade charcteristics of both a seald and ported box in one. Itplayed everything from high punchy bass to low long rediculous bass and it did all of it with percision my hats off to Pete and Robin this testing really made my day.

Duke
10-15-2006, 09:19 PM
You should measure the FR and post it for us.

Fattony911
10-15-2006, 09:23 PM
how? im sure id be happy to. if it involves hooking it up again i probably wont be able to do it until tomm. parents are already in bed haha

Duke
10-15-2006, 09:31 PM
Just get some sort of a cheap meter... or borrow someone's and just play a bunch of differen't frequencies at the same volume and and make a graph with the results. Kinf of like it does on programs like winisd. Just have DBs on the side going up from low to high, and the frequencies on the bottom going left to right, from low to high.

Fattony911
10-15-2006, 09:35 PM
huh id love to do taht to put a stop to everyone saying it wouldn't preform but i don't have a db meter the only one i could get is a term lab and i don't know the guy well enough to have him let me borrow it

Duke
10-15-2006, 09:47 PM
Maybe he could just bring it over? Or, just buy one from Radio Shack for like $30. The digital ones don't read above 126, but thats fine for just measuring the natural FR.

Immacomputer
10-15-2006, 09:58 PM
Something like this:
http://www.IMGBoxUpload.net/upload/files/imagebox_1160964443_r8.jpg

I did this with my radio shack mic at low volumes so it wouldn't max out. Just keep the volume constant and the mic placement constant and you will be good.

Make sure to get an anechoic response as well. To do this, take it outside away from all buildings and put the mic on the ground about a meter away from the enclosure and then play your tones. That is what I did in that graph. That graph is from an MTX 8000 12" in 1 cube sealed.

Duke
10-15-2006, 10:02 PM
Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. Thanks man.

97cavy
10-15-2006, 10:33 PM
DBB, didnt you only do like 145 with a pair of dd9510's and a z1? And you want to try to down someones design? How many forums u been banned from for being a total douche now?

iamamp3pimp
10-15-2006, 10:38 PM
way too many

Zeuslicious
10-16-2006, 06:27 PM
Because when people talk smack...I have to back it up with a REAL certified number and not just claim some numbers like most people. If that's not proof...I don't know what is. :)

tuan

congratulations Tuan... :)

Death By Bass
10-17-2006, 03:48 AM
DBB, didnt you only do like 145 with a pair of dd9510's and a z1? And you want to try to down someones design? How many forums u been banned from for being a total douche now?

nope... never did that... never finished the install, never did any testing... never even made it to 145dB... lol

turns out, the car I had WAS CRAP, guy with a wall, and four 12's off like 2000watts only did low 140's :p:

iamamp3pimp
10-17-2006, 02:49 PM
thats a crap setup

Death By Bass
10-28-2006, 12:06 AM
meter anything yet?

Fattony911
10-28-2006, 05:33 PM
no, i've been really busy and i don't even have it installed yet lol, around christmas for sure if not sooner, dad still has to give up the car ;)

twisztdauthorit
11-02-2007, 09:39 PM
It will provide plenty of compression
within your desired response range and then some (over 100 dB w/m
efficiency from about 25Hz to about 75Hz).
thats all pete told me i also asked him to tune a little bit higher for rap levels and he said id be fine for anything above the 30's which is fine since almost every rap song stays above that except hoods run down. Anyways Pete is a god thats how i know hes better than death, hes a polish machine lol
http://www.teamtoxicbass.com/%7Epete/
theres his homepage to all you naysayers.
just a bit of his bio
Several years ago, I traveled to Garden Grove, CA and met Tuan; a very knowledgeable young man who welcomed me to a locally-established initiative called Team Toxic Bass. From there, we consolidated our efforts, skills, and resources to make Team Toxic Bass one of the most well known and talked about SPL collectives out there. In addition to representing Team Toxic Bass in competition, I am also responsible for all web operations, site maintenance, and other administrative functions. Additionally, I land support as an acoustic engineer for our enclosure design service and, along with Tuan, I share my knowledge through articles which can all be found under Team Archives of our main web site.

hey im a polak too ;)

delvryboy
11-02-2007, 09:57 PM
does fi have a website?

twisztdauthorit
11-02-2007, 09:58 PM
does fi have a website?

....

atlninja82
10-22-2008, 10:06 PM
does fi have a website?

only an obama supporter would ask that....

tapout
10-22-2008, 10:08 PM
only an obama supporter would ask that....

Holy old thread batman

DDeitz
10-22-2008, 10:08 PM
only an obama supporter would ask that....

only someone who voted for bush twice would say that.

iamamp3pimp
10-22-2008, 10:12 PM
ill take the publicity, its cool...

mazdakid
10-22-2008, 10:16 PM
fattony stole $50 from me

iamamp3pimp
10-22-2008, 10:22 PM
so ive heard unfortunately

perfecxionX
10-22-2008, 10:33 PM
only someone who voted for bush twice would say that.

or someone whos not even old enough to vote?
:confused:

atlninja82
10-23-2008, 07:12 AM
or someone whos not even old enough to vote?
:confused:

actually i am voting in the general election so yes i am old enough

snoopysnooper
11-04-2008, 10:10 AM
only an obama supporter would ask that....

why?
:confused::wow:

atlninja82
11-04-2008, 05:43 PM
because obama supporters are retarded