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j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 03:09 PM
Ok, so I need some help/guidance on a new setup I'm thinking about pursuing.

Current Setup:MB Quart RCE216 6.5" Components, MB Quart Discus 6x9's. Once run off a JBL px300.4, but not currently, but a new one is not to far away. 2 12" (2004 series) Alpine Type-R's off a JBL Bpx1100.1 getting about 600W RMS each.

What I want to do: 2x 8" RL-i mounted on the back shelf run off the Bpx1100.1.

Question is, that involves getting rid of the 6x9's...which I dont mind. Should I sell the component set too and invest in a better set and not worry about a mid-bass driver? Or should I add a dayton 7" or 8" in the door? Or should I just say screw the MB Quart crossover and get an external one? Help...lol

Towncar
09-07-2006, 04:09 PM
I Say just get with a better componenet set, and bridge that 300.4 ( headroom is your friend). Since you like mbquart, why not get some premiums:)

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 04:38 PM
Actually I got the MB's on sale...Both sets there for $150. I couldnt pass it up and that was 2 years ago. 250W to a single component set? Seems like alittle overkill but I still dont know...

...anyone else?

Towncar
09-07-2006, 04:41 PM
overkill, no such thing. Headroom yes.. Ill be running 400 each side to my new comps when my amp gets here. :D

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 07:47 PM
overkill, no such thing. Headroom yes.. Ill be running 400 each side to my new comps when my amp gets here. :D

O Schnap...

Any other opinions/ideas/suggestions....

I'm hoping Jmac or Squeak see this...:D

alphakenny1
09-07-2006, 07:56 PM
what are your plans as far as processing goes?

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 08:00 PM
Well in terms of an external crossover or something like an H701 deal? I would droll over getting teh w200+h701 but for right now it may have to stay budjet with the alpine 9811 and an external crossover like something from audiocontrol.

alphakenny1
09-07-2006, 08:02 PM
okay well if you use an AC unit, then it looks like you are going active? 2 way upfront then?

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 08:07 PM
okay well if you use an AC unit, then it looks like you are going active? 2 way upfront then?

I hear active and passive thrown around alot but is there a distinct reason as to why one is better over the other? If I ran active, would it be ok to use my existing MB Q speakers without their crossovers or should I piece together some speakers from PE? What about the Mid-bass region I'm going to lose from my 6x9's once the 8's are in the rear deck? Would the amped 6.5"s be able to play that low?

Thanks Kenny

alphakenny1
09-07-2006, 08:08 PM
^^, http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146726&highlight=passive+active.

i should put this thread in my sig, lol.

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 08:17 PM
Ok, so tweakability is the main selling point to me about running active. So to run a proper 3 way active setup, I'd need a 6 channel amp and for a 2 way, I'd need a 4 channel...that tweeter is going to take 100W RMS like a champ? So it looks like I should sell what I've got and upgrade? BTW, these will be going in kickpanels. I still have yet to hear an argument against a 3-way set other than the obvious extra money on an amp...any real benefit and would it be worth it?

alphakenny1
09-07-2006, 08:31 PM
Ok, so tweakability is the main selling point to me about running active. So to run a proper 3 way active setup, I'd need a 6 channel amp and for a 2 way, I'd need a 4 channel...that tweeter is going to take 100W RMS like a champ? So it looks like I should sell what I've got and upgrade? BTW, these will be going in kickpanels. I still have yet to hear an argument against a 3-way set other than the obvious extra money on an amp...any real benefit and would it be worth it?

not necessarily a 6 channel amp to run a 3 way front stage and not necessarily you need a 4 channel amp to run a 2 way front stage. to run active each speaker would need a channel so you do a combination of stuff. two 2 channels to run a 2 way front stage. or a 5 channel amp to run your front speakers and extra channel for the sub, etc...

also your tweet won't probably ever see 100w anyways. you don't need that much power for the tweeters to get going.

as far as upgrading, thats up to you :). i'd recommend it though ;). also like i mentioned in my thread, there is a learning curve, but once you get past that you are good to go.

again going with a 2 way vs 3 way front stage. it all depends on how much time you want to put into it. i'm 2 months into rebuilding my install and i'm still not done, not even close lol. the advantages of a 3 way against a 2 way is 3 way will give the ability to deepen, heighten the sound stage a bit more with more flexbility of placing speakers. asking a 7" mid to play midbass and midrange is asking a lot (although there are plenty of 6.5-7" speakers out there that can play both midbass/midrange) so asking let's say a 7" speaker to play only 80-300hz and midrange to play 300-5000hz is actually putting a lot less stress on the speaker and the speakers will play more effortlessly with less stress. its a lot more to it but i'm too lazy to type, lol.

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 08:39 PM
So I've been looking around at components and cant really narrow down companies. I've never heard anything bad about Rainbow so their my top choice so far, but I'd like to keep some $$ in my pocket, lol. What sets from Diamond, or Focal or generally, what are some good manufacturers to look at?

But honestly, since I get wholesale discounts at PartsExpress, it would be HELLA cheaper just to get dayton speakers. I know they're probably not on the same level as say Rainbow or Focal but wouldnt they still get the job done, and very well at that?

alphakenny1
09-07-2006, 08:42 PM
So I've been looking around at components and cant really narrow down companies. I've never heard anything bad about Rainbow so their my top choice so far, but I'd like to keep some $$ in my pocket, lol. What sets from Diamond, or Focal or generally, what are some good manufacturers to look at?

But honestly, since I get wholesale discounts at PartsExpress, it would be HELLA cheaper just to get dayton speakers. I know they're probably not on the same level as say Rainbow or Focal but wouldnt they still get the job done, and very well at that?

shoot hook me up to :D. dayton is highly regarded wthin the DIY world. i briefly heard the rs180 and for $33 speaker, it was pretty darn good. you can easily batch up a 3 way front stage on dayton stuff alone. dayton rs180, dayton rs52 and dayton rs28a. thats like what? $200 for a full 3 way front stage. i say go for it!

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 08:45 PM
shoot hook me up to :D. dayton is highly regarded wthin the DIY world. i briefly heard the rs180 and for $33 speaker, it was pretty darn good. you can easily batch up a 3 way front stage on dayton stuff alone. dayton rs180, dayton rs52 and dayton rs28a. thats like what? $200 for a full 3 way front stage. i say go for it!

Get at me on AIM for whatever you need man, lol, I can do my best but PE is a biotch about shipping to us FIRST and then we have to reship :crap:

See thats what I was thinking...cheap (for the money they cant be beat) and they get the job done very nicely. So I would just need the amp, external crossover and the speakers and I'm running active? Never thought I'd be doing that but cool :D

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 08:58 PM
****, you were right one with your guess...$193.23 shipped for all 6 drivers, lol

alphakenny1
09-07-2006, 09:34 PM
Get at me on AIM for whatever you need man, lol, I can do my best but PE is a biotch about shipping to us FIRST and then we have to reship :crap:

See thats what I was thinking...cheap (for the money they cant be beat) and they get the job done very nicely. So I would just need the amp, external crossover and the speakers and I'm running active? Never thought I'd be doing that but cool :D

yea i will definately hit u up. i might need some rs225 or something. lol thanks for the offer.

go to diymobileaudio.com, sign up and read up on all the great info, especially about the dayton drivers. like i said, they are highly regarded and not just because they are cheap its because they are really good drivers.

also in all honesty, i'd get the h701 or p9 combo if possible as you will have complete control of each individual driver. i mean there are possible ways to get it done but w/ the h701/p9 combo it'd be much simpler. if thats too much money with you, you can always go with a 2 way front stage and buy an HU with a built in 3 way xover. again thats up to you.

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 09:44 PM
I know what the h701 is but whats the p9? Sorry if thats a dumb question but I havnt run into it before. I was just thinking about this...would it be that much different just to sell what I've got and save for a premo front stage? Like a set of Germaniums or something? I'm sure they'll get the job done down the 80hz but I'm just doubtful...

Also, I was just lookin around at AC Crossovers and them bishes are costly! Is there a cheaper alternative since really all I need is a crossover, not something with a built in line driver, or parametric and graphic equalizer, etc?

DBfan187
09-07-2006, 09:46 PM
I know what the h701 is but whats the p9? Sorry if thats a dumb question but I havnt run into it before. I was just thinking about this...would it be that much different just to sell what I've got and save for a premo front stage? Like a set of Germaniums or something? I'm sure they'll get the job done down the 80hz but I'm just doubtful...

Also, I was just lookin around at AC Crossovers and them bishes are costly! Is there a cheaper alternative since really all I need is a crossover, not something with a built in line driver, or parametric and graphic equalizer, etc?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-P9-combo_W0QQitemZ180023745467QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3976 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

j3bus2k3
09-07-2006, 09:50 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-P9-combo_W0QQitemZ180023745467QQihZ008QQcategoryZ3976 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

gotcha...

j3bus2k3
09-08-2006, 11:20 PM
bump, any other opinions?