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Nexson
09-02-2006, 12:21 PM
Well, after getting my 2x door kits in from second skin, I decided to start on my first door. I have 12 Sq.Ft of Damp. Pro per door. I could have used just a bit more, but it is fine since I dampened them inside and out, and sealed them. I am currently waiting on a jl 300/4 delivery, in the mean time I have run the wire to the trunk where the amp will be and I have ran the wire through both door jams PITA (you can see the blue wiring just hanging out of one of the holes in the door duck taped). Right now I have the rainbow slc 265 hooked up (driver side only) to just the stock wiring through the crossover, as soon as the amp comes I'll be able to just switch a couple wires.

Well, for the project, I applied the second skin to the inside of the door, from there I cut the proper size sheet metal, sealed the openings with screws and silicone. Then applied what damp. I had left for the door. From there I installed the mdf baffle I made. (installed with butterfly nuts. I then mounted the speaker (carefully) and sealed it with non-hardening clay, anyhow the speaker sounds good, of course it will sound 10x better with the amp. I just couldn't stand to see my rainbows sitting in my closet for 3 weeks, along with my door kits I just got in. So when the amp arrives I'll hook it up. I plan to do the other side in a few days. Btw the second skin is awesome. Here's a lot of pics:)
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Nexson/15.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Nexson/14.jpg
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Nexson
09-02-2006, 12:22 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Nexson/6-1.jpg
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FoxPro5
09-02-2006, 12:26 PM
Nice! You're going to deaden the sheet metal right? Throw a layer of OverKill on once your done and it will be pretty solid.

Nexson
09-02-2006, 12:28 PM
I should probably deaden the sheet metal, the thing is I'm out of dampener for this door. I mean I dont know if it would make a huge enough difference for me to order some more, and apply it over the sheet metal?

mendon99
09-02-2006, 12:31 PM
looks good. looks like my doors! just finished deadning mine last week as well, enjoy the SLCs, they rock.

FoxPro5
09-02-2006, 12:38 PM
I should probably deaden the sheet metal, the thing is I'm out of dampener for this door. I mean I dont know if it would make a huge enough difference for me to order some more, and apply it over the sheet metal?

Absolutely! Think about it...it's thinner than the metal on the door and will resonate like crazy. If you are in a pinch for some deadener, just get a roll of gutter repair tape (peal n seal) from Home Depot. A good $16 fix. You will need a few layers though.

gl0ck
09-02-2006, 12:43 PM
Hopefully your slc's arent junk like mine are.

Nexson
09-02-2006, 12:48 PM
Absolutely! Think about it...it's thinner than the metal on the door and will resonate like crazy. If you are in a pinch for some deadener, just get a roll of gutter repair tape (peal n seal) from Home Depot. A good $16 fix. You will need a few layers though.

At wal-mart they actually sell sound deadener hehe, i think 12 bucks for I dont know much. I sure that should be fine!!

superdooperman
09-02-2006, 02:25 PM
Hopefully your slc's arent junk like mine are.

Junk? What gives? I own a pair and they are great! Maybe a problem with the installer?

As for the thread starter, nice job on the doors, although Im not a fan of how the tweeter is mounted. THere is some serious angle on those, makes me wonder what the soundstage "looks" like. Looks like the driver side on is firing right into the steering wheel.

Why not go with the flush mount?

Nexson
09-02-2006, 02:51 PM
the tweeter placement is pretty much worthless at this moment. Until I have the amp hooked up to all 4 speakers and I have created my stage, then I will be able to precision mount it to get the most out of it. Right now it wouldn't matter if it was hooked up or not.

AJē06
09-02-2006, 03:07 PM
At wal-mart they actually sell sound deadener hehe, i think 12 bucks for I dont know much. I sure that should be fine!!

THEY do?

Nexson
09-02-2006, 03:16 PM
sure do, heres the link $7 for 2 10''x10'' sheets

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4213081

AJē06
09-02-2006, 03:18 PM
sure do, heres the link $7 for 2 10''x10'' sheets

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4213081

LOL! I knew I shouldt have stopped working for them!

Nexson
09-02-2006, 03:20 PM
yea, I'll prob pick up a few packs to cover the sheet metal.

AJē06
09-02-2006, 04:44 PM
yea, I'll prob pick up a few packs to cover the sheet metal.

What u use for the rest of the door?

EDIT... nevermind... looks nice.

superdooperman
09-02-2006, 05:26 PM
the tweeter placement is pretty much worthless at this moment. Until I have the amp hooked up to all 4 speakers and I have created my stage, then I will be able to precision mount it to get the most out of it. Right now it wouldn't matter if it was hooked up or not.

You've got a big sail panel there, but I think they would produce a better stage if they were placed in the door, as close to the end as possible. Like this:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/Accordman/Picture007.jpg

Much easier then cutting the sail panel IMO, and in my car it makes for an excellent spot for the tweeters. Only thing I noticed is my steering column is slightly in the way of the left tweeter, but it doesnt seem to effect the stage.

Ruffy
09-02-2006, 06:24 PM
Hopefully your slc's arent junk like mine are.



How are they junk?

I just installed my SLC's. I'm not overly happy with the audio but there are alot of factors going against me.

1. Im still using the stock stereo
2. I'm using a LOC spliced into the stock wiring
3. I'm using ****** RCA's
4. My amp settings probably are off.
5. You CANNOT install speakers into the metal part of my cars door at all. The speakers are screwed onto the plastic door panel itself. It's almost as if the speakers are in a basket.


Now I did do 2-5 layers of damplifier all over my doors. There is an odd rattle ive been getting on my driverside door that I've yet to fix. But they are heavily deadened.


I dont know how to setup my amp for these. It just seems lacking in midbass/midrange. Highs are there. Bass is hitting them but it's not as powerfull as I wanted. Especially without my subs on(Took them out since im working on a new box)

Anyone wanna tackle how I should setup my amps crossovers?

It has :
A Knob that says Hi Pass, 10hz-150hz, Currently it's around 80hz
A Switch that selects Hi-Full-LP/BP, Currently its at Full
A Knob that says Low Pass, 30hz-150hz, Currently it's around 80hz
A Knob that says Bass EQ, 0dB-18dB, It's at 0dB
Then finally a Knob that says Level 6v-0.2v, It's currently midway.

The amp is a Hifonics Zxi 6006 AB 2 channel

gl0ck
09-02-2006, 06:33 PM
How are they junk?

I just installed my SLC's. I'm not overly happy with the audio but there are alot of factors going against me.

1. Im still using the stock stereo
2. I'm using a LOC spliced into the stock wiring
3. I'm using ****** RCA's
4. My amp settings probably are off.
5. You CANNOT install speakers into the metal part of my cars door at all. The speakers are screwed onto the plastic door panel itself. It's almost as if the speakers are in a basket.


Now I did do 2-5 layers of damplifier all over my doors. There is an odd rattle ive been getting on my driverside door that I've yet to fix. But they are heavily deadened.


I dont know how to setup my amp for these. It just seems lacking in midbass/midrange. Highs are there. Bass is hitting them but it's not as powerfull as I wanted. Especially without my subs on(Took them out since im working on a new box)

Anyone wanna tackle how I should setup my amps crossovers?

It has :
A Knob that says Hi Pass, 10hz-150hz, Currently it's around 80hz
A Switch that selects Hi-Full-LP/BP, Currently its at Full
A Knob that says Low Pass, 30hz-150hz, Currently it's around 80hz
A Knob that says Bass EQ, 0dB-18dB, It's at 0dB
Then finally a Knob that says Level 6v-0.2v, It's currently midway.

The amp is a Hifonics Zxi 6006 AB 2 channel

They are nice speakers i guess, have a x over that broke, a mid that died, and about 4 angle mounts brake leaving a tweeter crunched in the door they have a good sound yeah, but the hardware for them is far from perfect.

acold7dusta
09-02-2006, 06:39 PM
How are they junk?

Anyone wanna tackle how I should setup my amps crossovers?

It has :
A Knob that says Hi Pass, 10hz-150hz, Currently it's around 80hz
A Switch that selects Hi-Full-LP/BP, Currently its at Full
A Knob that says Low Pass, 30hz-150hz, Currently it's around 80hz
A Knob that says Bass EQ, 0dB-18dB, It's at 0dB
Then finally a Knob that says Level 6v-0.2v, It's currently midway.

The amp is a Hifonics Zxi 6006 AB 2 channel

Turn the switch to high pass, when the x/o is on full, the high pass and low pass are defeated. keep all the other settings the same.

BlackMaxima
09-02-2006, 07:30 PM
i got a Q for you:

You put dampening inside the door too right? but how, you took the whole door aport?
And whats that green stuff around the speakers?
that white stuff on the door, its the 2nd pix from the top. what is that? thats not used?
That kit comes with glue right?

Can you give me a website where you got your stuff?

TY

Ruffy
09-02-2006, 07:35 PM
Turn the switch to high pass, when the x/o is on full, the high pass and low pass are defeated. keep all the other settings the same.

will do, after I relax and watch some TV (Been working on the car all day)


I'm also kindof peeved about how much time I spent trying to build an amp rack intot he sidewalls of the trunk.

I'm using 1/2" MDF and it ended up TOO big. the amp was sticking out past the face of the subwoofers, i want it more flush and nice like this

http://www.caraudio.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1731&c=2


I know if I could fiberglass I could do what I want but I dont want to get into glassing right now.

If anyone knows of a good way to mount a rectangular piece of MDF to the sidewall of a trunk let me know.

I CANNOT DRILL. The gas tank is right there.

My idea was to Jbweld some bolts sticking out, drill some holes in the mdf and line it up then hold it in with nuts. It worked for awhile but the strain eventually broke free of the jbweld bond.

I might need a stronger expoxy to do this but it might work.

Or I can try to figure out some type of strapped down design.

kicker06
09-02-2006, 08:45 PM
I have the same problem. I have to install my SCSS6's on the plastic part, not the metal part behind the door. I am wondering if its going to go good at all. Its annoying. There is also this cup of foam that i think seals off behind the speaker from the whole rest of the door, making a little basket or enclosure as you said. I hope this is good.

Nexson
09-03-2006, 12:27 AM
i got a Q for you:

You put dampening inside the door too right? but how, you took the whole door aport?
And whats that green stuff around the speakers?
that white stuff on the door, its the 2nd pix from the top. what is that? thats not used?
That kit comes with glue right?

Can you give me a website where you got your stuff?

TY

Although I know the door panel is a great place to put the tweeter, I just can't see myself cutting into the door at least for now. The sail panels are $5 and easy enough to trial and error with, once I get them all setup with the amp, then I'll see where it's the best.

Now for the quote above. I just went through the 3 openings to apply rhe damper which is from secondskinaudio.com. It is a bhit hard to lay the inner part of the door (lots of small cuts, but it matters!) The white covering is what I took off, its like a moisture sealer, since the doors are completely sealed now. I dont need that

Ruffy
09-03-2006, 02:57 AM
I have the same problem. I have to install my SCSS6's on the plastic part, not the metal part behind the door. I am wondering if its going to go good at all. Its annoying. There is also this cup of foam that i think seals off behind the speaker from the whole rest of the door, making a little basket or enclosure as you said. I hope this is good.

by any chance do you drive a 300M, Dodge Intrepid, Chrysler Concorde or LHS?

Intercooler
09-03-2006, 03:09 AM
Although I know the door panel is a great place to put the tweeter, I just can't see myself cutting into the door at least for now. The sail panels are $5 and easy enough to trial and error with, once I get them all setup with the amp, then I'll see where it's the best.

Now for the quote above. I just went through the 3 openings to apply rhe damper which is from secondskinaudio.com. It is a bhit hard to lay the inner part of the door (lots of small cuts, but it matters!) The white covering is what I took off, its like a moisture sealer, since the doors are completely sealed now. I dont need thatWhat year is your Civic? Mine had the factory mirror pods that were used for the CDT tweets. Maybe they are offered for yours in the SI or EX version.

DeLander
09-03-2006, 03:28 AM
Hey guys! For all of your panel dampening needs, check out raamaudio.com

Rick, the owner, is a great guy. Excellent prices and products.

Even if you don't buy his products, there's an excellent step by step tutorial(with pictures) of sound deadening a vehicle.

Hope you find it helpfull. I did.

AJē06
09-03-2006, 03:29 AM
sure do, heres the link $7 for 2 10''x10'' sheets

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4213081

Do they sell this IN-STORE? I wanna know without getting my *** up there. Psh....

Nexson
09-03-2006, 10:10 AM
Do they sell this IN-STORE? I wanna know without getting my *** up there. Psh....

yes, its in store..



and my car is not a civic, its a 05 accord.

pickup1
09-03-2006, 10:50 AM
are you going to use bigger speaker wire when you amp these?

Nexson
09-03-2006, 12:39 PM
well I have 18 g. ran already and I'll be using that instead of the punnie stock wiring.

Nexson
09-04-2006, 06:07 PM
i went ahead and ordered 10 more sq ft of the dampener to cover the sheetmetal.

adam71
09-04-2006, 06:48 PM
I should probably deaden the sheet metal, the thing is I'm out of dampener for this door. I mean I dont know if it would make a huge enough difference for me to order some more, and apply it over the sheet metal?


Just go buy some rubberized undercoating. 3M makes some good stuff. Spray the hell out of that sheet metal and it will deaden it up just fine.


BTW, love your avatar. Now if we could just get him to read it.:naughty:

Nexson
09-04-2006, 07:18 PM
:rotflol:

DjiNN
09-14-2006, 09:34 PM
Did you drill your crossover to a piece of sheet metal?

carguy83
09-15-2006, 03:12 AM
Looks good man, enjoy those SLCs. I sure do enjoy mine on a daily basis during those commutes to school and work.

Nexson
09-15-2006, 03:04 PM
who hoo, these rainbows sound awesome so far, i just did a test hearing, then i have to re-wire the 500/1. stayed tuned for more pics.

Glaucus
09-15-2006, 05:28 PM
My idea was to Jbweld some bolts sticking out, drill some holes in the mdf and line it up then hold it in with nuts. It worked for awhile but the strain eventually broke free of the jbweld bond. Here's something I've done in the past, and it may seem funny at first: Velcro. Get Velcro strips and attach one side to the back of the amp and the other to the sheet metal/plastic. The adhesive on the Velcro strips is usually pretty strong, and a full strip of Velcro is pretty solid as well. The only down side is that it makes it a little easier for the thieves to just pull it off and run, but not much is gonna stop them once they place their filthy paws on your gear anyway.

Anyway, I have a question about the door in the pics. What happens when you say, want to lubricate your window guides or need to replace the window glass or the motor? I'm actually in the process of deadening my doors, but I'm cautious about closing up all the large access holes (which are there for a good reason - access). My idea was to just cover them up with plastic and tape it up good. Covering up these access holes with something like Brown Bread (which is what I've been using) is not easy to remove and could make a real mess if the need arises.

Oh, and one other thing. Couldn't tell from the photos, but make sure you don't use deadener to fill up the tiny holes on the bottom edge of the door. Those are drain holes and plugging those up will cause moisture to build up. If that happens, your car could rust from the inside out. Not good at all. Other then that, it looks awesome!

- Mike

dkmesa
04-25-2007, 10:51 PM
awesome

implayaz9
05-10-2007, 11:56 PM
please post ur setup!..i am from v6p..need some input on what speakers to get wtc..

datboiroy
05-11-2007, 02:12 PM
please post ur setup!..i am from v6p..need some input on what speakers to get wtc..

he has a thread on it on v6p.

implayaz9
05-12-2007, 03:08 AM
i couldnt find it!