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Pull9Gs
08-23-2006, 03:13 PM
Finally got round to doing the tweeter pods for my Ford Focus properly after the first attempt with filler only.

Removing filler:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00043.jpg

Filler removed. Back to mirror casings with laser cut MDF rings supported with matches:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00047.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00048.jpg

As I didnt have any proper fleece and didnt want to go out and buy some especially as I didnt need a huge amount i looked round the house for something. Ended up using socks as they were nice and stretchy and so easy to get the right shape.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00045.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00052.jpg

After first layer of resin:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00046.jpg

Drivers side casing contains a joystick for moving the electric mirrors. Pulled material down into hole using some cotton through it:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00049.jpg

Joystick:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00050.jpg

To ensure area around joystick was flat a lid was taped on to hold the cloth against the plastic of the mirror casing.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00054.jpg

Sorry about quality of pics, taken on phone.

Going to put more layers or resin on now...
How many do you reckon I will need?

Leo

Beat_Dominator
08-23-2006, 03:32 PM
Those look dope. :thumbsup:

PowerNaudio
08-23-2006, 06:17 PM
in such a small project i would say two layers of fiberglass will do, but once they dry. you should push on the surface with your finger, if it budges add 2 more layers to make it stiffer.
looking good. so far.
laters

Railrocker
08-23-2006, 06:20 PM
Cant wait to see them done! Good work so far.

AJ²06
08-23-2006, 06:32 PM
Looks nice! :)

jeepintn
08-23-2006, 09:07 PM
nice work, keep us updated

Pull9Gs
08-24-2006, 03:15 PM
Got 3 layers on them now.

Havent been putting glass on, just the resin.
Im thinking one more will do. 4 layers or resin enough???

I sanded them down after the first 2 layers and got them nearly perfectly smooth. Going to sand down again and put another layer on tonight and then hopefully tomorrow I will sand them down completely and they will be flat enough to paint without any filler. We'll see though...

Thoughts?

azbass
08-24-2006, 03:19 PM
sweet. but blurr!

nYc.kablamO
08-25-2006, 08:13 PM
thats cool. I used to have a focus.
For that tweeter pod just cut real thin strips of fiberglass cloth, dip them in the resin and brush them on the pod just like paper mache. The resin alone doesnt provide strength.
I could show you an easy way to do bolt in glass pods for the grill sections of your doors if you ever want to do them.

Pull9Gs
08-30-2006, 02:13 PM
Going to sand them down tonight and hopefully get them flat enough for paint.

Will update tomorrow evening with some good quality pics.

Leo

Pull9Gs
09-06-2006, 05:41 PM
UPDATE:

Drivers side pod after rough sanding of 4th layer of resin:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/IMG_1092.jpg

Passenger side pod after final 4th coat resin sanding, ready for paint:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/IMG_1089.jpg

Another view:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/IMG_1091.jpg

After final coat of paint. After doing 2 coats I decided the finish wasn’t flat enough and so sanded right back down to the resin and made it flatter. The paint was helpful as it showed the low spots up. The photo below is after 4 coats with a light sand after the 3rd coat:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/IMG_1102.jpg

And with tweeter housing in place. These push fit inside the rings as are tapered and the rings were laser cut to the exact size needed for them to be a push fit, i had four attempts!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/IMG_1097.jpg

And without the flash if its easier to see:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/IMG_1098.jpg

View of the back. Plastic original pod cut out to allow tweeter to protrude through:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/IMG_1105.jpg

And with tweeter housing installed (note small holes to allow filler to grip into pod on first attempts):

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/IMG_1101.jpg


Will get more photos up as I progress, not much further to go now.
These will be finished by the end of Monday and installed as I am going away if you are wanting to check back.

Better quality pics this time ;)

Comments?

Cheers, Leo

j3bus2k3
09-06-2006, 05:47 PM
DAM! Those came out looking excellent! :thumbsup:

acold7dusta
09-06-2006, 05:49 PM
good job, glad to see you put the mirror adjusters back in

phantom240
09-06-2006, 06:17 PM
That paint looks familiar.. is it called graphite? Thats a lot like duplicolor's wheel paint color graphite, which im doing my tweet pods and many plastic pieces in my interior with. A+++ for you!

dyabolical
09-06-2006, 06:21 PM
No glass, just resin? Am i seeing that right?

helotaxi
09-06-2006, 09:53 PM
Yep you're seeing it right. There's no need for a high strength piece there. It's not somwhere where it will get hit and it doesn't have to support any weight to speak of. It will be just fine without any glass.

AJ²06
09-06-2006, 10:00 PM
Daaaaaayyyyyyyyyyuuuummmmmmmmmm... thats nice. ;)

dyabolical
09-06-2006, 10:22 PM
Very nice work.

phantom240
09-06-2006, 10:24 PM
800 grit paper?

blackonblacksls
09-06-2006, 10:31 PM
**** those suckers came out very very nice. i have done tweeter pods before and they are not easy, specially when they look as good as yours(mine sure didnt.)

Pull9Gs
09-07-2006, 04:18 PM
Thanks for all the comments.

Going to put in another hour or so on the drivers side getting it flat ready for paint and might rub down some of the paint on the passenger side as it has some tiny bubbles in.


good job, glad to see you put the mirror adjusters back in
Well they wouldn’t be much good without!



That paint looks familiar.. is it called graphite?
Nope, its Halfords satin black. If you are from England you will know how expensive and poor quality it is. But I was desperate one weekend and couldn’t wait.


No glass, just resin? Am i seeing that right?

Yep you're seeing it right.

Yeah that is right, they feel plenty strong enough. The fabric I used was quite an open weave so the resin soaked through nicely.



800 grit paper?
Erm, have been using 320, 600 on resin and 1000 for paint.



**** those suckers came out very very nice. i have done tweeter pods before and they are not easy, specially when they look as good as yours(mine sure didnt.)
Cheers, Im looking forward to seeing them installed, but them am going away for 3 months so wont see them! :mad:

More photos up tomorrow, and with my new camera :D:D:D

Leo

ssj2xxgotenxx
09-07-2006, 05:30 PM
How did you paint them? with a gun or normal spray paint? I'm guessing a gun because the product is very nicely painted.

Pull9Gs
09-07-2006, 07:17 PM
How did you paint them? with a gun or normal spray paint? I'm guessing a gun because the product is very nicely painted.

With a spray can/aerosol. The most expensive, worst quality paint you can get - thanks Halfords!

Leo

Pull9Gs
09-10-2006, 05:23 PM
All finished, final worklog:

Showing comparison between original and new pods. I bought some more pods from a scrappers and so the untouched ones are the ones that came with the car:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00018.jpg

Few photos of the setup Ive had for the last few weeks:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00022.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00024.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00019.jpg

Passenger side tweeter in pod:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00030.jpg

Pod installed in car with tweeter ready to fit in:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00034.jpg

Showing clearance on plug/socket for electric mirrors:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00035.jpg

Fitted:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00039.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00040.jpg

View from the drivers seat:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00042.jpg


Continued below:


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Pull9Gs
09-10-2006, 05:24 PM
Drivers side comparison between new and old:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00044.jpg

Installed - from drivers seat:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00046-1.jpg

Other angles:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00048-1.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00049-1.jpg

Couple of questions:

What do you think to connecting speakers/crossovers together with bullet connectors, like the ones shown:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00029.jpg

And do I need to unwrap my crossovers out of the bubble wrap they came in, I left it on to protect them, but I heard that they can get hot???

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f212/leobrough/DSC00028.jpg

Cheers

Leo

JAZN
09-10-2006, 05:48 PM
Nice work. :)

phantom240
09-10-2006, 06:15 PM
wowzers. U get an A+

Nexson
09-10-2006, 06:16 PM
nice!! but how come you didnt use filler primer before u painted??

Pull9Gs
09-10-2006, 06:47 PM
nice!! but how come you didnt use filler primer before u painted??


Didnt need to, think they came of flat enough.

9512ds
09-10-2006, 06:48 PM
i would remove the bubblewrap dude

saywhat?
09-10-2006, 07:00 PM
i would remove the plastic to be safe. also, sick work. and RHD cars ftw.

ramos
09-11-2006, 10:42 AM
Nice work , how is the imaging with the tweets aimed at you like that ? :)

BaseSteala112
09-11-2006, 03:53 PM
Really nice work. Which resin did you use?

phantom240
09-11-2006, 04:04 PM
Im starting on my tweets and kick today cuz my comps just now hit my doorstep. Thanks LostSoul!

MA$E
09-11-2006, 06:03 PM
that sh*t looks mean! nice work.

Pull9Gs
09-17-2006, 12:53 PM
i would remove the plastic to be safe.

Might do this when I amp them. I just wanted to keep them scratch free for when I mount them on show.


how is the imaging with the tweets aimed at you like that ?

Not really sure what you mean...
The sound is a huge amount better though. I think this is because the tweets are actually pointing straight at me rather than some where near. The backs of the tweeters are also "sealed" off better than they were before, although im not sure how much of a difference this makes...


Which resin did you use?

Pretty sure it was Davids resin, although Im not at home so I cant check.


Thanks LostSoul!

Ehh??? Me no "LostSoul"


Thanks for all the great comments guys.

Any recommendations on the bullet connectors???

Leo

phantom240
09-17-2006, 01:28 PM
bullets? theyre a bit hard to work with, i like male/female quick disconnects... the spade kind like the input terminals on normal speakers.

faulkton
09-17-2006, 01:41 PM
Nice work.. does your fofo look like this?!

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/4377/fofochopfg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Pull9Gs
10-07-2006, 12:21 PM
does your fofo look like this?!

Fortunately not, MK2s ****! Even if it is a ST.

Leo

jaycross
10-08-2006, 10:06 PM
VERY nice! cant say it much better than that.... simply awesome

ultimate157
10-08-2006, 10:29 PM
Wow, amazing looking pods. Funny it all started with a pair of socks :laugh:

acold7dusta
10-08-2006, 10:49 PM
very impressive, i may do this once i find the sweet spot to aim them at

Pull9Gs
10-09-2006, 07:44 AM
Thanks again for the comments people.
I love it when people ask: "How'ed you make 'em?"
"Well I started with a pair of socks..."


i may do this once I find the sweet spot to aim them at
I just aimed both of them directly at me, the driver. Somebody asked about imaging but I dont know what they meant. Is it not necessarily correct to just aim them at your ears?

Again comments would be great as Im confused about this.

Leo

Pull9Gs
10-22-2006, 08:27 AM
Help with imaging please?

Ta

gsxrjjordan
10-22-2006, 10:20 PM
Excellent job - better than mine, for sure, although mine are in the A-pillars not the mirror backing.

About imaging - I'm sure other pro's can describe this better, but I'll try to be brief.

The biggest struggle as a car audio SQ enthusiast is creating the illusion of a larger "sound stage" than you have to work with. The "sound stage" is where your brain imagines the sounds are actually coming from - now in my home system (Fultron Premiers from the late 70s), I have a physical 8 ft separation between my tweeters , which are about 12 ft from me, pointed directly at my head, with sound absorbtion above, below, and behind me - this makes for a fantastic soundstage, as voices seem to be coming from anywhere in between the speakers. In a car, your physical distance from the speakers is much MUCH less, and the speakers are much closer together. To create the illusion of a larger soundstage, you have to play tricks on your brain, hence "imaging".

When you look at car speaker tests, they do a frequency repsonse test for "on axis" and "off axis" response. On axis is usually described as between 0* and 30* (* = degrees) either direction from "pointed directly at you". Most car audio speakers (tweeters especially) are designed to not only sound great on axis, but off axis as well, as many factory locations are not ideal.

Now, frequency response and overall imaging impression are two different entities - flat on-axis frequency response does not guarantee good imaging, and generally makes voices sound like they're coming from your tweeters, about 2 ft from you. Very accurate, but sounds too "small".

Big sound comes from either running a time delay on your closest speakers, so the sound "seems" like its coming from the distance of your furthers speaker, or actually bouncing the sound off something like a windshield (like my CDTs do). This has the opportunity to loose accuracy, but sounds much more "acoustic"/"real"/better.

Basically, when someone asks "how's the imaging", they want to know... a] how accurate does it sound, but more importantly... b] where does it sound like the voices are coming from/how "big" is the sound.

Talk to your local SQ champs, and they'll go on for days about how to get better imaging/a bigger soundstage in your car, as well as probably turning my little description here into swiss cheese :)

coolahan
10-23-2006, 04:43 AM
very good pods start a shop ;)

Pull9Gs
12-26-2006, 07:27 PM
gsxrjjordan:

Thanks for the little lecture, very helpful and sorry for the late reply, Ive been away for 3 months.

All I can say is that I think they sound very good, and when turned up loud the sound seems to “immerse” you.

Ive never sat in a SQ car and so have never heard a "proper" install, so mine would be probably considered terrible to the big boys, but then its all about the money.
Mine aren’t amped (yet) and so dont go that loud before the HU starts distorting (or at least thats what im told - and I cant believe its the speakers).

Basically, I think they sound good, and a massive amount different from when they were blu-tac'ed on. I assume this is because of the "protection" of the back of the tweeter.

Also in your signature you mention tweets in mid of dash… Do you have any photos of these, as well as the ones in you’re a pillars if possible?

Thanks for all the support again guys, and glad to be back on this awesome site.

Leo

dbornotdb
12-26-2006, 07:41 PM
Good job.
I would have did some things slightly different, but you can't argue with the results.

And for the first couple of pics, I was thinking your pics were 180* out till I realized you were from England.....lol. RHD.

Pull9Gs
02-16-2007, 02:55 PM
And for the first couple of pics, I was thinking your pics were 180* out till I realized you were from England.....lol. RHD.

Ha, you had me worried for a minute there...

cazorp
02-16-2007, 05:05 PM
your tweeter pods = WOW!!! that is all



p.s. you want to build me some for an 06 mustang and ship them to the US for a nominal fee???

lol thanks
Zach

got_focus?
02-16-2007, 05:43 PM
or interested in making some for another focus???

Pull9Gs
02-24-2007, 03:03 PM
or interested in making some for another focus???

Yeah I am. I am trying to get a few people with foci interested. I currently only know of you and possibly another guy who is another member of the focus owners club Im a member of.

Do you know of anybody else, im interested in doing sort of 10 pairs and not 2-3.


p.s. you want to build me some for an 06 mustang and ship them to the US for a nominal fee???


I can do you a set for your mustang, but you will have to ship your car over here for approx 3 years while I make them for it, as I need to know all sizes etc...

Leo

got_focus?
02-25-2007, 06:50 PM
I am also part of a focus group, www.focus-revolution.com

What were you thinking of charging? I know some of those guys would be interested.....

dkmesa
02-25-2007, 06:59 PM
nice work

baseballer1100
02-25-2007, 07:32 PM
Real nice work.

Radioflyer97
02-27-2007, 09:25 AM
Very nice and professional work. How's the staging?

SilverFocusZX3
01-07-2008, 06:38 PM
Very nice write up and pics! I found this very helpful for me being a Focus owner also.