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espguitarist91
08-22-2006, 10:08 PM
Well, im going to be getting my first car soon(within a coupole months) and ive been looking at getting a 5 speed because of the cost and the 2 mpg higher:eek:(amazing, i know) Well ive read a lot of about manual transmissions and I think i know pretty much the basics. Ive driven manual ATV's so I know the basic operation of the clutch and gas. But i just want little tips from experienced stick drivers, tricks of the trade(of driving:confused: ). Also I would like opinions on whether to go for it or just get an auto. Id prefer manual as it just looks fun, but whatever works. Theres not really any hills where I live and i wont be driving in many situations where I would encounter traffic, so i believe it should be fine. Any input is appreciated.
Thanks :)

dkguitarist
08-22-2006, 10:16 PM
i loved my 5 speed s-10. it was hella fun. dam good times. ;) of course i prefer shifting when i want, as opposed to an auto. idk. i just prefer a stick over an auto any day. just don't shatter 2 gears and lock it in gear like i did.

jeeper07
08-22-2006, 10:19 PM
sticks are hella fun but some times can be a pain, youll learn lots of stuff as u get better ie: down shifting, when to shift, rpm limits all that good stuff!!

espguitarist91
08-22-2006, 10:31 PM
Yea, theres a lot I dont understand right now(ie. heel and toe, downshifting, hills, etc.) I think with time it should become clear. I have no one to teach me or any car to practice on, so i hope i dont ruin the clutch if i end up getting one.

IrTehL33T@DBeez
08-22-2006, 10:33 PM
i've never owned an automatic because when it comes down to it, i prefer driving stick. if i were to often be in heavy traffic, stop and go situations then it would be time to consider automatic because at that point, the wear and tear from constantly slipping the clutch and the annoyment trying to select a gear becomes the main concern

i do mixed driving, sure i hit some traffic but theres till enough occasions that i'm on normal local roads, highways, etc. another thing to consider is what kind of vehicle you are going for. some vehicles arent even offered as a manual, which is one consideration. in most sporty cars i have more fun driving manual, rev matching downshifts and keeping it in power range. manual muscle cars are a blast to slam gears in. now if i wanted a vehicle to be used almost exclusively for straightline speed, i'd probably end up with an automatic for consistency purposes.

60ndown
08-22-2006, 10:33 PM
get an auto, hands free to play

dkguitarist
08-22-2006, 10:57 PM
yeah revmatching is great. also, you can downshift gears to help slow down on hills/grates if needed to (just like semis). there is alot to learn, and you gotta multi-task (shifting while turning, and watching the traffic to make sure you're clear), braking while clutching and downshifting (or just pop in neutral and just use the brake, then pop it in first or 2nd if at a complete stop). i've actually started out in 3rd and 4th gear before. hella hard to get going til i realized what happened. then just downshift to a lower gear. i still wish i had my truck. :(

rick22
08-22-2006, 11:05 PM
oh wow def get a stick i regret not waiting to find a stick lude everyday. sure its hard as hell to deal with traffic, eating, drinking, or talking on the cell but man is it fun to drive. butttt you do pay more money for certain things that you wouldnt have to deal with if you had an auto so if thats youre main reasoning for getting a stick then screw that. also it depends on the car ive heard that the new gti's auto is amazing and has an amazing manual option to switch into. as for tips just get in and practice. things will just come natuarally.

espguitarist91
08-22-2006, 11:15 PM
Well, about the car, i dont really care what i get, but the price range is rather low considering this will be my first car. Maybe about 3500 tops, not sure though. I was looking at mid to late 90's contoures because theyre cheap and a lot are stick. But ive heard some bad things about their trannies, but not sure if that applies to manual too. also looking at older hondas as a lot are stick, but those are usually loaded with miles. Basically anything that comes up, i would like it to have decent gas mileage, but rather not have a 4 cylinder.

heyman421
08-22-2006, 11:17 PM
a manual is fun, but eventually you don't even have to think about it anymore, and it's just a pain in traffic.

I'd prefer an auto for a daily, honestly.

Stick for a weekend toy, tho.

espguitarist91
08-22-2006, 11:36 PM
Ill be a student for a rather long time, so I dont plan on doing too much driving. School and back, work and back(when i get a job), and just other things. If its a short distance ill walk to save gas:)

heyman421
08-22-2006, 11:38 PM
i'd go for it, then

LoudCrownVic
08-23-2006, 12:04 AM
it's better to have a stickshift for your first vehicle, period. you become a better driverand are more aware of waht the car is doing.

espguitarist91
08-23-2006, 12:34 AM
True. So its leaning even more towrds stick. Now i just have to wait and save..............a lot..........:(

LoudCrownVic
08-24-2006, 01:15 AM
S10s are not fun ... at all ... unless you throw a V8 in it ...

For the record, cruising in neutral is highly illegal ...

Why?

And omg i didn't know that.

azbass
08-24-2006, 01:18 AM
it is? interesting.

LoudCrownVic
08-24-2006, 01:27 AM
I'm not too sure of the reasons why, but I can tell you that if you learn to do it now and you have a graduated licensing program, you'll fail your test for sure ... One of my ex-GFs failed her Novice test the first time because she did that ...

Besides that, cruising down a hill in Neutral and 100% relying on your brakes is retarded ... If you allow the resistance of your engine to slow you down, you'll save your brakes heavily, which is one of the main advantages to having a manual transmission ... The other advantages, of course, being that it's more efficient, so you get better fuel efficiency and power, having better control over the car, they're usually much more reliable than automatics, and they weigh less.

OIC... I let it in neutral occcasionally while rolling slowly into my turn off, then shift into the gear I need when I need it. To save the clutch or something.

And... S10's cant be that bad.

Worlddre
08-25-2006, 11:39 AM
OIC... I let it in neutral occcasionally while rolling slowly into my turn off, then shift into the gear I need when I need it. To save the clutch or something.

And... S10's cant be that bad.

:word: i do the same thing on occasion had no clue it was illegal

atoz350
08-25-2006, 02:23 PM
Correction... Cruising in Neutral is only illegal when applied to automatics. Its perfectly fine for a stick. The reason is that an automatic has control of its dynamics when it is in drive. When it is in neutral, is has no control...ie. it releases engine braking and differential locking as well as some vehicle speed sensors which disables airbags.

phyphoestilic
08-25-2006, 03:23 PM
clutch > u
lol :D

bigbangtheory
08-27-2006, 11:55 AM
I dont know if this is true, but someone once told me that when your in a slide that it is better to have stick because you just put it in Nuetrel and it will stop the axel from spinning. When you do it in the auto the axel's still spin. Just something I remembered.

I perfer stick as well and have only owend a couple automobiles in automatic and have had close to 20 vechichles, lol! You get more control and just is more fun. Yes sometimes it is a pain in traffic, but to be honest I dont even notice most of the time. It is just like blinking to me anymore. You do it, but dont relize it.

I agree with JMAC though. Get a friend who is willing to be nice enough to let you learn to drive stick. Just dont burn up his clutch though, lol! Practice makes perfect and take your time and just pay attention. Eventually it will come to you and you wont even notice its stick. ;)

saywhat?
08-27-2006, 10:53 PM
Yea, theres a lot I dont understand right now(ie. heel and toe, downshifting, hills, etc.) I think with time it should become clear. I have no one to teach me or any car to practice on, so i hope i dont ruin the clutch if i end up getting one.

up hills isnt all that hard, its like driving normal. Its not that hard to drive, just gets old.

OneKrazyKeebler
09-10-2006, 04:43 AM
I dont know if this is true, but someone once told me that when your in a slide that it is better to have stick because you just put it in Nuetrel and it will stop the axel from spinning. When you do it in the auto the axel's still spin. Just something I remembered.

I have never seen a real drifting car that was an automatic.

And it will come naturally, either your gonna like a manual or not, never know till you drive one everyday.

TRAFFIC SUX WITH A STICK

phantom240
09-11-2006, 10:24 AM
Stick > Auto in every way except traffic, big hills (uphill that is), and multitasking.


Ive never owned an auto. I love driving myc ars, as theyre light imports with pep enough to satisfy the inner andretti.... As far as tips... well... dont get too excited about better mileage from a stick... in order to do that you have to drive like a ninny and shift at like 1600rpm in order not to burn gas... and driving a stick just makes u wanna redline it on every shift jsut to hear your motor roar. My friends think im insane when i drive though, cuz i can multitask better than any of em. For instance, one time my friend david was riding with me in traffic, and i was smoking a cigarette, holding my drink, and driving a stick through traffic... it gets a bit crazy, but its not hard, so long as you keep your focus on the road and not your other tasks.

heyman421
09-11-2006, 12:01 PM
Why?

And omg i didn't know that.

you're legally not in control of the vehicle any time it's in neutral.

it's for accident avoidance. if you were coasting in neutral, and a situation presented itself where you needed to move out of the way of a collision, and you couldn't do it, because your car wasn't in gear, it's legally YOUR fault.

and that's correct that placing it in neutral IS the correct way to coast (although illegal) because keeping the clutch disengaged wears out the throw out bearings and pressure plate.

phantom240
09-11-2006, 01:59 PM
Agreed. i wore out the TO and/or my pressure plate in my acura legend about 2 years ago. Thats not fun at all.. i learned not to keep it in gear at a light with the clutch engaged. I always did that cuz it would cut down in the time i had to take to push the clutch in, put it in gear and then take off...

dleccord
09-11-2006, 02:08 PM
dont know if someone has mentioned this but you cant eat while driving in the street, unless traffic aint stopping.

phantom240
09-11-2006, 03:29 PM
...1600rpm is weaksauce for my car. It redlines at 7500... 1600 isnt even breathing on the powerband

bibby
09-11-2006, 03:40 PM
You'll learn to drive with a knee to free up a hand. I drove a stick for 1.5 years, then went to an auto, and regretted it from about the 3rd week. I just recently went back to a stick about a year ago. Also, a car is a helluva lot different that a truck. You can lean harder in an auto which is nice, but the feel of shifting your gears, and going around curves, and not using your brake, but using your motor is a great sensation.

Couple things to look at are. For one, in an auto, your tranny will eventually go out. With a stick, the most you'll ever have to do is a clutch. For two, you will save on your brakes aswell. Once you get the hang of it, you will stop by gearing down as opposed to using your brakes. You will have to use your brakes too, but not near as much. I'd say 70% Motor, 30% brakes is how i use mine. Also the little increase in mpg's these days are worth it. Go will the stick man. You'll love it.

xluben
09-11-2006, 03:42 PM
yeah, i like driving a stick, but it ***** in traffic!!!!!

sorry to thread jack, but i was wondering if anyone could give me insight on when i should be shifting for normal driving?

i have a 99 honda accord I4 2.3L with a manual transmission. is 2-3K good?

xluben
09-11-2006, 05:33 PM
i'm not sure what you mean by "shift when your car stops accelerating"

i'm pretty sure it will acclerate fine right up to the redline.

phantom240
09-11-2006, 06:27 PM
... well it really depends on how much throttle you give it... But like i said, the lower you can shift, the better. Of course, if it stops accelerating at 2k rpms, youre not giving much thottle at all, therefore youre not using much gas... but by the same token, truck drivers flip you off for accelerating like a snail.

phantom240
09-12-2006, 08:07 AM
That may be true to an extent, but shifting at a higher rpm REGARDLESS in a higher output, big displacement motor, will use more fuel than other methods.



Okay, but really dude, just learn to drive it and youll learn how to waste gas and how to save it. Its really too difficult to explain

espguitarist91
09-13-2006, 07:51 PM
Guess im getting a stick:)
Its disappointing, everyone is getting their permits and im stuck in gym playing tennis. **** late birthdays

dont_smokerocks
09-13-2006, 08:33 PM
didn't read any of this thread but here is my one and only tip for driving stick. When you brake dont just take it out of gear and press the brakes. down shift and feather the brake. it makes your brakes last a hell of a lot longer.

heyman421
09-13-2006, 10:58 PM
Displacement is fixed, so the only two controls here are engine speed and air:fuel ratio

boost?

my jetta had a vaccum controlled variable geometry turbo (vnt17) which could do anywhere from 0-30psi anywhere from 1200rpms to redline, and could be shifted through the gears, or even directly to 5th gear at idle, from a stop.

def. a neat little car.

xluben
09-14-2006, 02:05 AM
boost?

my jetta had a vaccum controlled variable geometry turbo (vnt17) which could do anywhere from 0-30psi anywhere from 1200rpms to redline, and could be shifted through the gears, or even directly to 5th gear at idle, from a stop.

def. a neat little car.

was it made by garrett?

heyman421
09-14-2006, 11:19 AM
ya, a garrett vnt.

the new 911 turbo uses variable geometry turbos, too.

xluben
09-14-2006, 01:40 PM
cool, i work for honeywell (owner's of garrett), but NOT in the turbo area :(

is garrett the only makers of the variable turbo? seems like a great idea for everyday use!

heyman421
09-14-2006, 06:16 PM
well, garrett created the first one, but the only gasoline engine they ever put one on was the shelby daytona back in the 80's, which had the vnt20 on it.

Garrett took too long to come out with one that was beefy enough to deal with gasoline engine exhaust temperatures, and someone else beat them to it, unfortunately.

So garrett owns most of the diesel engine market, but the ones that are being used on gasoline engines now are actually made by someone else....

springy101
09-14-2006, 06:28 PM
Agreed. i wore out the TO and/or my pressure plate in my acura legend about 2 years ago. Thats not fun at all.. i learned not to keep it in gear at a light with the clutch engaged. I always did that cuz it would cut down in the time i had to take to push the clutch in, put it in gear and then take off...

your not supposed to just hold the clutch and brake in at a light? i did not know that.

GordonW
10-04-2006, 04:22 PM
Sticks FTW.

Heavy Traffic FTL. Do like I did, and get a job that doesn't require driving on a freeway to work! 8 minutes to drive to work FTW!!

As for the car-control aspects... you can even learn tricks like when and how to let out the clutch in a turn, to make the car "turn in" differently. On a RWD car, it'll usually cause oversteer (back end steps out), while in a FWD car, it'll usually cause understeer. Can be useful, along with skilled use of the brakes, to avoid spins and/or running into curbs and the like, in emergency situations. :D

Some people complain that they can't control their stick-shift cars, accelerating from a stop up a very steep hill. Most of them haven't realized that the hand-brake (e-brake) is quite useful to keep your car from rolling backwards, while letting off of the footbrake and stepping on the gas! While holding the release button in, just pull it up (engaged) until you get the revs up and let out the clutch, then release the handbrake. Takes some practice to do it smoothly, but you shouldn't roll back AT ALL, if you do it right... no matter HOW steep the hill.

Regards,
Gordon.
who has owned 9 stick-shift cars... but only owned one automatic tranny car, and sold it after 3 months...

espguitarist91
10-23-2006, 06:06 PM
stick it is!