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btnhfan
07-25-2006, 09:07 PM
I have decided that my 360 needs to been on hdtv. I have seen it on and hd projector last weekend and it was nuts.


I really want to stay around the 500 mark.

Theres a few that I have been looking at.


A westinghouse 27"

LTV-27W7 is the mo I believe



And this dell one

Dell W2300 with a 23" screen.

I have been referencing this link also for tvs, since I havent found any other good source on hd gaming.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/720/720303p2.html


*edit - I just noticed they put that exact westinghouse up there:crying:

bri487
07-25-2006, 09:11 PM
i am not sure on the price, but the olevia lcds won best in its size this year or last. i have one and i absolutly love it. way better than the samsung, toshiba, sharp, and sony high defs that we have, the others dont even come close to the color or clearness of the olevia.

btnhfan
07-25-2006, 11:26 PM
Im looking really hard at this one right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16889022005


Its compatible with 720p, which is great.

1loudsuv
07-26-2006, 12:48 AM
i dont see my tv (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7438873&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050031&id=1122655672986) on the good or bad list but i know it kicks so much more *** playing it 360 in hd, then my 32 crt sony tv i had that was only 480 i

those olevia tvs seem to be cool from what im looking at your links. but i dunno i would choose say rather a dell or something just go to the stores and watch as much tv as you can. sorry thing is i doubt many if any will have a 360 hooked up to them to compare :(

bri487
07-26-2006, 12:51 AM
i dont see my tv (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7438873&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050031&id=1122655672986) on the good or bad list but i know it kicks so much more *** playing it 360 in hd, then my 32 crt sony tv i had that was only 480 i

those olevia tvs seem to be cool from what im looking at your links. but i dunno i would choose say rather a dell or something just go to the stores and watch as much tv as you can. sorry thing is i doubt many if any will have a 360 hooked up to them to compare :(

i have played my 360 in hi def on the toshibas top of the line lcd, sonys top of the line lcd, and the olevia, and the olevia beats their asses all day long with 360, digital cable, and dvd. i wouldnt consider the dell to be anywhere near as on the same level as those three i mentioned.

springy101
07-26-2006, 12:53 AM
dell=teh suxor, in everything.

springy101
07-26-2006, 12:58 AM
i have a panasonic 42" plasma hdtv, 2500 dollars buster! got it for free though. i cant wait till i can get my hands on a ps3 to play on it.

edit: this one http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7679185&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050035&id=1134703131623

and doesnt 720p look better than 1080i?

1loudsuv
07-26-2006, 01:29 AM
i have played my 360 in hi def on the toshibas top of the line lcd, sonys top of the line lcd, and the olevia, and the olevia beats their asses all day long with 360, digital cable, and dvd. i wouldnt consider the dell to be anywhere near as on the same level as those three i mentioned.
never watched a dell or the olevia in person. i have watched the sony's samsung so on so on but only for the bigger screen non lcd's and i got to say the sony i got had one if not the best picture out of all of them besides the lcd and also gave alot of the lcds a run for their money

but his looking to spend 500 never really got to look at any of the lower priced units but by what your saying and what im reading the olevia seems like a good buy

NMBR1SPT
07-26-2006, 01:51 AM
I just bought each one of my kids a vizio 32" lcd from sams club for $800 it is capable of 1080i if you can give it that, he has a 360 also.... I have a 61" samsung 1080p though and a infocus projector I play and watch video on.:D

1loudsuv
07-26-2006, 02:00 AM
I just bought each one of my kids a vizio 32" lcd from sams club for $800 it is capable of 1080i if you can give it that, he has a 360 also.... I have a 61" samsung 1080p though and a infocus projector I play and watch video on.:D
pix of the samsung :) :yumyum:

btnhfan
07-26-2006, 09:18 AM
i have a panasonic 42" plasma hdtv, 2500 dollars buster! got it for free though. i cant wait till i can get my hands on a ps3 to play on it.

edit: this one http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7679185&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050035&id=1134703131623

and doesnt 720p look better than 1080i?

I think I remember reading for 360 it does because thats its native resolution.

MikeofTulsa
07-26-2006, 03:25 PM
i have a panasonic 42" plasma hdtv, 2500 dollars buster! got it for free though. i cant wait till i can get my hands on a ps3 to play on it.

edit: this one http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7679185&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050035&id=1134703131623

and doesnt 720p look better than 1080i?
1080i is a higher resolution, but for fast paced movies and such 720p would be better. i stands for interlaced which means the picture comes in from both sides of the screen at once, p = progressive which means they come in one line after the other from the top down or bottom up. both are good quality. i'm curious to see how 1080p does once we have stuff actually in a 1080p format. not upconverted.

btnhfan
07-27-2006, 03:12 PM
I think Im getting that olevia depending on my next paycheck.

1loudsuv
07-27-2006, 11:25 PM
I think Im getting that olevia depending on my next paycheck.
depending how much gaming and how much your gonna use the tv. spend as much as your budget allows you will not regret it.


shhh i sold all my equipment to get what i have and dunnot regret it at all :yumyum:

Bolognablake
07-28-2006, 04:16 PM
That Vizio 32" is one of the best deals going on right now.

I would buy it at Costco, rather than Sam's club, because you can return it if you ever have a problem with it regardless of how long you've had it.

noob with an RS
07-28-2006, 07:34 PM
HD projector FTW!!!! :drool:

come on man, they only cost 4 to 9 thousand dollars.

1loudsuv
07-30-2006, 01:58 AM
Interlaced doesn't work like that ...

Interlaced displays half the picture (every 2nd line) per frame ...

I.E.
Frame 1 = Lines 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, etc.
Frame 2 = Lines 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc.
Frame 3 = Lines 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, etc.

Progressive scan displays each frame in its entirety.

When using a television that uses individual pixels (i.e. LCD), a de-interlacer must be used to correctly display the picture. Depending on the quality of the de-interlacer, the image quality may be relatively unaffected or it may be terrible. Either way, you get much better image quality and a better frame rate by using a progressive format with a non-tube display.

yah when i play 360 it looks clearer then the hd channels on cable (720pvs1080i or whatever they are lol)

bballrrt06
07-31-2006, 05:21 PM
most people agree that 720p and 1080i look about the same. for some reason i prefer 720p though

NMBR1SPT
08-03-2006, 11:13 PM
pix of the samsung :) :yumyum:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8136/gatorland706009hu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us) cha-ching :naughty: ask and you shall recieve the tape meas. across the bottom reads 55.:D

btnhfan
08-10-2006, 06:09 PM
Im gettin a 30" samsung crt hdtv for 350.

Ill take pics after I get it.

djman37
08-10-2006, 06:19 PM
1080p 60 FTW <-- holy grail of HD as we know it in the US. NHK is doing some stupid resolutions right now...4k.

ABC/Disney/ESPN - 720p
CBS - 1080i
NBC - 1080i
Fox - 720p
if anyone's watching.

when purchasing a "HD" set, make sure it does 1080i at least. Last year there were a lot of 1280x720 and such sets out there.

btnhfan
08-10-2006, 06:34 PM
Yea it does 1080i

djman37
08-10-2006, 06:35 PM
Yea it does 1080i

CRT = teh shiznit. Heavy, but good.

btnhfan
08-10-2006, 06:43 PM
http://www.samsungrb.com/TX_P3071WH_p/tx-p3071wh.htm

Theres a link for it

1loudsuv
08-10-2006, 08:26 PM
Im gettin a 30" samsung crt hdtv for 350.

Ill take pics after I get it.

yah those are pretty sick my 32" crt had better picture quality then my 60 inch sony with non hd channels now give the 60" an hd signal and omg. but my 32 wasnt hd so i dont know if it would help much with the 32

1loudsuv
08-10-2006, 08:27 PM
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8136/gatorland706009hu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us) cha-ching :naughty: ask and you shall recieve the tape meas. across the bottom reads 55.:D

you need a tv stand LOL that thing looks like its gonna tip over :( :crying:

noob with an RS
08-10-2006, 09:09 PM
That would be because your 60" screen is 52.3" x 29.4" ... Stretched to fit the screen with a video resolution of 640x480 (480i), you have an effective resolution of 12.2 DPI horizontal and 16.3 DPI vertical (16.3 DPI for both if you don't stretch it) ...

With a 32" fullscreen CRT, the dimensions of the screen are 25.6" x 19.2", resulting in an effective resolution of 25 DPI, which is twice the horizontal resolution of your 60" ...

However, when you use an HD signal with your 60", say 1080i, the effective resolution increases dramatically to 36.7 DPI ...

Of course, compared to your typical 17" LCD monitor @ 1280x1024, that's still an extremely low effective resolution ... The 17" monitor would have an effective resolution of 96.5 DPI ...

does that mean that in general, a typical computer LCD monitor will perform just as well (picture quality-wise) as a giant LCD tv?

noob with an RS
08-10-2006, 10:07 PM
Well, different applications ... A computer monitor is right in front of your face, with the average user being between 2 to 3 feet from the screen ... Odds are you'll be about 10 feet from the 60" screen, so even though the effective resolution is 1/3 that of the monitor, you're 3x the distance away, so you won't notice it as much ...

Now, if you were to view the 60" screen from 3 feet away, then yes, you'd definitely notice that the 17" monitor has much finer detail ...

ahhh which explains why giant TVs look more crisp from a certain distance away but look like crap when sitting right in front of it.

ndnbolla
08-10-2006, 11:04 PM
ahhh which explains why giant TVs look more crisp from a certain distance away but look like crap when sitting right in front of it.

General rule of thumb is to watch from a distance of 2 to 3 times the size of your screen.

IMO, I think 1080i looks better than 720p. Both are great but I can actually notice a difference between watching football (example) on CBS rather than Fox.

But it all depends on the source in the first place.

djman37
08-11-2006, 08:33 AM
All depends on the TV as well ... Some TVs **** at interlaced, others **** at progressive ...

For the most part, LCD displays do progressive much better than they do interlaced while CRT displays do interlaced much better than they do progressive.

true, true. The DLP's don't care what you send them(just not too much white in a frame, stupid color wheel) including single pixel or whole screen refreshes.

heyman421
08-11-2006, 09:03 AM
DLP's work exactly like an LCD

in fact, deinterlacing is even MORE important with a DLP, since bad deinterlacing can intensify the rainbow effect

and whoever said HDTV projectors cost 4 grand is insane

you can get a WXGA projector with 3000:1 contrast for under 2 grand

the panasonic WXGA is around $1900 and i believe you can buy them through costco, which means free lifetime warranty............

IMO, a projector's the way to go. Easiest to make room for, easiest to move, best size:$ ratio, and not to mention, with improvements in front projection DLP colorwheel speeds, and the advances in LCD contrast ratios (dynamic shaping lense and bulb iris') the picture is **** near as good as a plasma or an LCD.

in your case, tho, i'd give this guy a call before you did anything about that CRT:

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ele/192657162.html

btnhfan
08-11-2006, 01:48 PM
Ha my buddy is probably gonna pick that one up.

Plus I have no room for 42".

1loudsuv
08-11-2006, 02:43 PM
Ha my buddy is probably gonna pick that one up.

Plus I have no room for 42".

thats what i used to think. i was just gonna buy me a 42" cause i was like a 60 would be to big but it isnt. i think its a little small and might need to go bigger:naughty: lol and my room is tiny

btnhfan
08-11-2006, 06:53 PM
Lol no I barely have room for a 30" widescreen.


My room is very small and I share it with another guy.

bri487
08-11-2006, 07:23 PM
Lol no I barely have room for a 30" widescreen.


My room is very small and I share it with another guy.
:cuddle:

bri487
08-11-2006, 07:25 PM
as far as room goes, our olevia is in a fireplace that was boxed in with crown moulding around it and a shelf on top. it was made for a tv, so we measured it up and got something close. the olevia 32" is perfect with less than 1/8" around the edges.

btnhfan
08-12-2006, 12:12 AM
Nice.


Okay I got it hooked up, and the color looks a little off.

Is that because I have to mess with the settings, or is it because its on xbox 360 upscaling to 1080i?


Its not as sharp as I thought it would be, and I have the component video plugged in.

btnhfan
08-12-2006, 12:14 AM
I thought it was 720p?


Im almost positive I did, but I could be wrong. Ill check right now.

btnhfan
08-12-2006, 12:26 AM
Jmac thats why you are god.


It was set on 480p.


I cant decided with 720p and 1080i, I cant notice the difference, but maybe because I am drunk.

springy101
08-12-2006, 12:34 AM
go with 720p, its the win!

btnhfan
08-12-2006, 12:49 AM
How come?

Its on 1080i right now, as I set it to that following the instructions of someone who has more knowledge about 360 and hdtv than me.

ndnbolla
08-12-2006, 06:58 PM
Jmac thats why you are god.


It was set on 480p.


I cant decided with 720p and 1080i, I cant notice the difference, but maybe because I am drunk.


I don't think their are many, if any, games on the 360 that are in native 1080i format which is why you won't notice a difference.

btnhfan
08-12-2006, 08:50 PM
Yea there isnt any.

I guess the difference is between which upscales better, either the 360 or the tv.

btnhfan
08-13-2006, 06:49 PM
Anyone have any suggestions for an hd antenna?

1loudsuv
08-13-2006, 08:15 PM
Anyone have any suggestions for an hd antenna?

ive heard that its best to stick to outdoor ones. something like this

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2348403&cp=&origkw=hd+antenna&kw=hd+antenna&parentPage=search

i have one that i cant find a picture of that im gonna sell ;) but its an indoor one. and since i have cable i have no need for it lol but i say get outdoor cause any kind of interfirence will cut off the signal while watching hd. i renember if my laptop was on (wireless network card) it wouldnt get a certain channel same if the cell phone was to close to it.

oh yah if you decide to get some kind of satellite get dishnetwork between that is directv dishnetwork has 2x the hd channels lol im really really thinking of getting dishnetwork and dumping my cable provider lol

btnhfan
08-13-2006, 08:30 PM
Do you know if its multidirectional?

btnhfan
08-13-2006, 08:37 PM
edit:

I dont think it would work well, since my color codes are all red and green, and one blue.

joetama
08-14-2006, 04:22 AM
Don't buy a TV.... But more audio equipment.....:yumyum::yumyum::yumyum:

ballstothewall
08-14-2006, 01:04 PM
Don't buy a TV.... But more audio equipment.....:yumyum::yumyum::yumyum:
:yes:

Megalomaniac
08-14-2006, 09:08 PM
Don't buy a TV.... But more audio equipment.....:yumyum::yumyum::yumyum:

this guy is serious,have you seen his setup,all his audio equipment is way gigger and costylier compared to his little sony 27in tubed tv....im sorry for pickin on you soo much but if you can invest 1500 on a video sound processing Rotel unit you can throw a bit more or less and get a 2000 lumen projector, unless you want like a 10,000lumen one that ive seeen at many concerts

djman37
08-14-2006, 11:49 PM
this guy is serious,have you seen his setup,all his audio equipment is way gigger and costylier compared to his little sony 27in tubed tv....im sorry for pickin on you soo much but if you can invest 1500 on a video sound processing Rotel unit you can throw a bit more or less and get a 2000 lumen projector, unless you want like a 10,000lumen one that ive seeen at many concerts

i talked to the guys a while running the projectors that put the mavs/miami game on the side of the stadium in miami. BARCO FTW.:D

Pr0d1gy
08-15-2006, 06:00 PM
OK guys, sorry I'm late. I worked in the HDTV hardware industry for awhile and would consider myself well educated on the subject, so I will chime in to help you out.

360 setup vs TV converting signal = When you're dealing with a multi-format platform, such as the 360, then you want to stick with the native resolution of the game since the TV is usually going to have a better converter built in. Now, if you bought a cheaper brand then you may just want to let the 360 do the video conversion since it has new components that are of good quality. I won't get too deep into this, but it's a basic thought process in home A/V.

1080i vs 720p = This one is a touchy subject because people want to believe what people have told them, but here is what a videophile will tell you. BOTH are terrific quality when done well. The main difference has to do with motion on the screen. When you are dealing with a static, or motionless, image then you will get a better picture from the 1080i than a 720p of equal quality. When you are dealing with a dynamic, or moving, image then you are better off with a 720p than a 1080i of equal quality.

HDTV antennas = It is best to use an HDTV with a high gain, something like the CM4228. Try many different locations in your attic, and directions to point it, in order to get the strongest & best signal that you can. Remember you need a built in HD receiver in order to translate the signal from an HD antenna, otherwise you need an aftermarket HD receiver to handle the signal.

If I missed anything let me know, but if you want to do some research for yourself then go read these forums: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/index.php?

btnhfan
08-16-2006, 06:36 PM
Ah very cool your in ATL,

Im in GaTech right now.


I guess Ill play a game with 360 upconverting, and then with the tv, and see which one is better.


As far as I know, the tv doesnt do 720p native.