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yacoub
06-15-2006, 01:11 PM
I know of no way to preview the Germs since they aren't sold in any stores around here.

Price being equal, which is the better set of speakers for SQ, well-matched tweeters, and appropriate levels of mid-bass?

I can get the Pro60s in Tweeter for around $450 and the Germs are similarly priced but I would have to pay extra to have them installed there if they will install them at all.

So ignoring price, which is the way to go? I'm looking for SQ - solid reproduction of their full range of frequencies, tweeters that match the mids well, and mids that are strong enough to be appropriate.

I would be powering either set on a JL 300/2.

I listen mostly to vocal trance and hard rock / metal.

Thanks for any input!

dkmesa
06-15-2006, 01:15 PM
From what I've heard, I'd go the Germs.

I believe the Pro60s are more easily compared to the SLCs

theothermike
06-15-2006, 02:04 PM
^

germs are better out of the too, but if it were slcs and pro60's id prob take the pro60's for power and overall. SLC are a lot cheaper though 220 where as pro60's are 380 on average. Germs win though. To bad there is no 3 way version of germs.

:-(

Im debating if i wanna do germs or 3 way slc kicks for my sq setup now. Maybe even diamond s661s hex's not quite sure :-(

Mike

Fast1one
06-15-2006, 02:55 PM
^^^Isnt their a "three way" version of germs with dual 6.5 midbass???? :naughty:

Edit: Yaarrr http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/details.php?lan=2&pro=1&lin=17&art=231539

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theothermike
06-15-2006, 05:58 PM
i didnt even notice, I LOVE YOU :-)

(in an un homosexial fashion)

Mike

vol_fever
06-15-2006, 06:05 PM
Why not try the MB Quart QSC line? You can get them from www.finestdeals.com for $325 (brand new) shipped to your house with warranty. I had th pro60's and sold them and bought the Quarts QSC 216 and i think they sound better, don't know about the Rainbow line but i'm sure they are pretty good though.

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 06:18 PM
i didnt even notice, I LOVE YOU :-)

(in an un homosexial fashion)

Mike


Dont get too excited, thats a dual midbass set, not a 3 way. ;)

vol_fever
06-15-2006, 06:22 PM
6spdcoupe what do you think about the MB Quarts QSC 216's.

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 06:26 PM
Im not a fan of MBQ. Solid company with decent build quality, just not my cup of tea for sound.

Although if purchasing them I would go to an actual dealer rather than online.

vol_fever
06-15-2006, 06:30 PM
Thats cool, i have the QSC 216's and just wanted to know what you thought about them. Maybe my next comp. will be the Rainbows so you'll have to hook me up.

vol_fever
06-15-2006, 06:32 PM
Dealers around here are wanting $700 for them and i found them for $325 shipped and with a warranty.

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 06:40 PM
Dealers around here are wanting $700 for them and i found them for $325 shipped and with a warranty.


contact MBQ and ask them if theyre warrantied, Ill bet my left testicle they say Absolutely Not. ;)

vol_fever
06-15-2006, 06:42 PM
The store i bought them from said they warranty them themselves and not the manufacture. I got them from www.finestdeals.com.

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 06:51 PM
I saw the site, and I still wouldnt trust it, but thats me. Not to mention at that price, make sure your getting the real thing.

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 06:52 PM
BTW the site doesnt look like its even an existing site.

FoxPro5
06-15-2006, 06:57 PM
contact MBQ and ask them if theyre warrantied, Ill bet my left testicle they say Absolutely Not. ;)

And I'll throw my right in for an even nut sack bet ;)....they may SAY that you get a warranty (in house maybe) but MBQ will not touch them unless you buy from those people that they see competent to sell their products...these are called AUTHORIZED DEALERS ;)

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 06:59 PM
And I'll throw my right in for an even nut sack bet ;)....they may SAY that you get a warranty (in house maybe) but MBQ will not touch them unless you buy from those people that they see competent to sell their products...these are called AUTHORIZED DEALERS ;)


Aww we're like two balls in a sac now.:crazy:


:D

FoxPro5
06-15-2006, 07:03 PM
Aww we're like two balls in a sac now.:crazy:


:D

Yea, but you get to hang lower than me :crap:

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 07:14 PM
Yea, but you get to hang lower than me :crap:


Its all good, just remember bigger isnt always better. :)

yacoub
06-15-2006, 08:18 PM
will you two brass ones cut it out! :D

theothermike
06-15-2006, 08:34 PM
lol wowwwwwwwww....

good thing not many girls on here :-)

Fast1one
06-15-2006, 09:40 PM
i didnt even notice, I LOVE YOU :-)

(in an un homosexial fashion)

Mike:eyebrow:

GET THEM....should be *******...literally with dual midbass kick drums :D

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 10:37 PM
lol wowwwwwwwww....

good thing not many girls on here :-)


Why not? Me and Foxpro can team up and make em really happy. :naughty:

Starky
06-15-2006, 10:38 PM
^^^Isnt their a "three way" version of germs with dual 6.5 midbass???? :naughty:

Edit: Yaarrr http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/details.php?lan=2&pro=1&lin=17&art=231539

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how much are those? where are the specs?

Echo42987
06-15-2006, 11:05 PM
From what I've heard, I'd go the Germs.

I believe the Pro60s are more easily compared to the SLCs

Worst Comment ever made by man....

SQ wise I would go w/ the Bostons! Never heard any complaints....

But this is a one sided story and biased lol Because I've never heard the Germs But I haven't heard anything wrong w/ them either...

I would say either way your safe! Which one looks cooler is what you'll have to base if off of lol j/k

-Nick-

FoxPro5
06-15-2006, 11:09 PM
Why not? Me and Foxpro can team up and make em really happy. :naughty:

Yeyaa...here's to stayin' single, seeing double and doing tripple! :peace:

6spdcoupe
06-15-2006, 11:15 PM
Yeyaa...here's to stayin' single, seeing double and doing tripple! :peace:


and quad and quin,etc :naughty:

christiankills
06-16-2006, 12:01 AM
Im debating if i wanna do germs or 3 way slc kicks for my sq setup now. Maybe even diamond s661s hex's not quite sure :-(

Mike

please don't use diamond hex's SQ and anything by rainbow in the same sentence.

thank you for your time :D

Kickerkitty
06-16-2006, 08:36 AM
I dunno, my Pro60's are cool. They make even 128kps nirvana mp3's blow your mind. Don't ask me how...

Fast1one
06-16-2006, 12:36 PM
how much are those? where are the specs?Ask deh man.....6speedcoupe. Im not an expert in Rainbow products :crazy:

3.5Max6spd
06-16-2006, 01:03 PM
My feelings here...First of all both these speakers will take some serious power.

However, we forget the reason why people feel inclined to put 300rms per side to Bostons. Midbass literally has no impact /presense with lower amounts of power. Its all highs from what I've seen. To really get'm to rock and feel the music they fare best with lots more power. Also lets not forget the impendance you are dealing with (3ohm) i think. So in reality you are feeding them a substantial amount of power to get better performance.

The Germs I know for a fact are not a one sided story, the mid is very efficient and defined with even minimal power requirements.

Kickerkitty
06-16-2006, 05:53 PM
My feelings here...First of all both these speakers will take some serious power.

However, we forget the reason why people feel inclined to put 300rms per side to Bostons. Midbass literally has no impact /presense with lower amounts of power. Its all highs from what I've seen. To really get'm to rock and feel the music they fare best with lots more power. Also lets not forget the impendance you are dealing with (3ohm) i think. So in reality you are feeding them a substantial amount of power to get better performance.

The Germs I know for a fact are not a one sided story, the mid is very efficient and defined with even minimal power requirements.

I would say that the power also increase amplitude, allowing you to play louder, and it also gives the Bostons better VC control (more dynamic). Because of the Boston's motor design it simply does better overall with more power.

It's kind of like Mr. T shaking some skinny fool by the neck, if he's more powerful with bigass muscles, he can shake that punk harder and faster.

Whereas a weaker person than Mr. T must shake a smaller fool to achieve the same effect, but with less amplitude.

yacoub
06-16-2006, 05:56 PM
ok that's one of the best analogies ever

PollyCranopolis
06-18-2006, 11:15 AM
So basically, are u saying unless your going to give your Bostons like 200watts a piece, you might be better off with some SLC's running like 110watt? BTW, whats the sensitivity on those SLC's? Boston pros are 90db, 125RMS. I wouldnt think they would need much more than that to sound great. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PAIR-BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-PRO60-6-5-COMPONENTS-PRO_W0QQitemZ9741268652QQcategoryZ32818QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

Kickerkitty
06-18-2006, 05:24 PM
So basically, are u saying unless your going to give your Bostons like 200watts a piece, you might be better off with some SLC's running like 110watt? BTW, whats the sensitivity on those SLC's? Boston pros are 90db, 125RMS. I wouldnt think they would need much more than that to sound great. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PAIR-BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-PRO60-6-5-COMPONENTS-PRO_W0QQitemZ9741268652QQcategoryZ32818QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

Running 150 watts per side to mine sounds very good. I think the midbass would be a bit better if I had 200 watts. I don't know how good the SLC's are volume wise and SQ wise, but if you can give the Pro60's at least 150 watts you should be happy with them. They will get loud and sound good.

Even while waiting for my new amp for my highs, when my bostons were on HU power, the SQ was all there, just lacked the volume. Might be because I run an 880PRS though, who knows.

bamaboy
06-18-2006, 11:15 PM
i dont think my SLC's get that loud, but maybe it just the subs are too loud...nah

PollyCranopolis
06-18-2006, 11:26 PM
Hey, I just noticed this add states the BA Pros have a 4ohm impedence. !?
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PAIR-BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-PRO60-6-5-COMPONENTS-PRO_W0QQitemZ9741268652QQcategoryZ32818QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

snb778
06-18-2006, 11:42 PM
so whats the diff with MBQ line QSC's and QSD's...I cant figure it out...the QSC's look sharper, but the QSD's are more expensive...whats the deal...cant figure it out...ive looked at em like 20 times.

bamaboy
06-18-2006, 11:47 PM
pros are 3ohm

snb778
06-18-2006, 11:50 PM
so that means they can run at 1.5 right...or am I an idiot?

bamaboy
06-18-2006, 11:58 PM
no each side is 3ohm

PollyCranopolis
06-19-2006, 12:01 AM
How the hell could I wire BA Pros off 2 channels of a 4 chan amp @3 ohms? The amp is 110x4@4, 215x4@2, not 1ohm stable.

2, 3ohm sides, thats 6 ohms right? or am I a douchebag?

No! guess I'm a douchebag. That would be more like 1.5ohm for the set like SNB suggested. 4ohmx2=2ohm, 3ohmx2=1.5? So that means I would have to run the **** outa my amp cause it's not 1 ohm stable? Screw BA if thats the case:P

snb778
06-19-2006, 12:06 AM
anyone know this one...whats the diff with MBQ line QSC's and QSD's... cause im also (within the next day or 2) want to get either the Pros or the MQ-Qline comps.
and I have a 250x4 @2 ohm amp, so i dont even know what 3 ohms would be running at...and could they run at 1.5 ohms?

PollyCranopolis
06-19-2006, 12:14 AM
So that would be like a 6ohm tweet and 6ohm mid to get a 3 ohm side? Someone call Boston!

snb778
06-19-2006, 12:25 AM
yea im just gonna do that...id be done by now if they were open to call now...same with MB's

POLKAT
06-19-2006, 12:36 AM
Found this explanation for you guys confused about how they are wired for 3 ohms...


Originally Posted by squeak9798
Passive Crossovers

Ok, passive crossover networks are unpowered crossovers (i.e. no external power source) that split the frequencies between the speakers in a component set. They send the higher frequencies to the tweeter and the lower frequencies to the mid(s). They accomplish this by using a combination of capacitors and coils to create certain crossover points and slopes. They are wired in line with the speakers, between the speakers and the amplifier. The amplifier's output is connected to the passive's input, then the mid(s) and tweeter are connected to the passive's output.

Now, when two speakers (a mid and a tweeter) are on a passive crossover, the mid and tweeter are not wired in series or parallel. Two 4ohm speakers (a mid and a tweet) do not make a 2ohm load or an 8ohm load. Two 4ohm speakers on a passive crossover network create a 4ohm load on the amplifier. Two 8ohm speakers on a passive xover create an 8ohm load. A 4ohm mid and 8ohm tweeter on a passive xover creates a 4ohm load for the mid's frequencies and an 8ohm load for the tweeter frequencies. Reason for this has to do with the fact that passive's are based on frequency distribution and not power distribution.

When you have components sets with passive crossovers, the power from the amp is not split between the speakers. If you have a 70 watt amp, then each speaker is going to receive 70 watts (assuming all speakers are the same impedance). If you are sending 70 watts @ 4ohm to the component set, and the mid is 4ohm and the tweeter is 8ohm, then the mid will receive 70 watts but the tweeter will only receive 35 watts.

This probably isn't a very technical explanation….but it gets the point across none-the-less Let's pretend theoretically that we are running a 70 watt @ 4ohm amp full range. That amp (theoretically) puts out 70 watts at all frequencies at 4ohms, correct?? Now, pretend that we are running that amp to a component set (with all 4ohm speakers) through a passive crossover with a crossover point of 3500hz. So, we are taking that full range signal from the amp and splitting up the frequencies between the mid and tweet at 3500hz. Now, since we are splitting the frequencies and nothing else, there is still going to be 70 watts worth of power at all frequencies below the crossover point and at all frequencies above the crossover point, just the same as there was before we split the signal (since it was putting out 70w at all frequencies).

PollyCranopolis
06-19-2006, 12:45 AM
Found this explanation for you guys confused about how they are wired for 3 ohms...

So 2, 4ohm sides (L+R)wired to a single channel, will be a 2ohm load on the amp, assuming 110x4@4 215x4@2? Each side would still be getting a little over 100 watts If each set was wired to 1 channel?

What would you have to run your amp at for these BA's?

bamaboy
06-19-2006, 12:48 AM
get tha dayum gif outa you sig please

god, this thread= ruined

im probably going wiht the pro 60s now, getting my orion 8002 to run them with 300rms per side

im justwanting something louder without breaking the bank

PollyCranopolis
06-19-2006, 12:57 AM
whats wrong with my gif? you jealous? Shitt man! smoke a blunt and relax.

Anywhose, I'd like to pick up a set of Pros. Just need to figure out the wiring options.

POLKAT
06-19-2006, 01:32 AM
So 2, 4ohm sides (L+R)wired to a single channel, will be a 2ohm load on the amp, assuming 110x4@4 215x4@2? Each side would still be getting a little over 100 watts If each set was wired to 1 channel?

What would you have to run your amp at for these BA's?
Ill try to simplify what I posted above..

If you are using the passive x-over then as long as each speaker is assigned to its own frequencies, the load on the amp does not change. (eg. 3 ohm woofer from 80-3000hz,3 ohm tweeter 3000-20000 hz = 3 ohm load on that amp channel.

You are correct in saying that 2, 4 ohm speakers in paralell = 2ohm load. but you would never do that unless you wanted ****** sound and a fried tweeter due to no x-over.

Kickerkitty
06-19-2006, 05:32 AM
Just get the Bostons...

I just got out of my car and when tuned right, they sound like nothing you've ever heard, bet yer *** on it.

yacoub
06-19-2006, 06:47 AM
Since there's nowhere to hear Rainbows around here to compare, you're probably right, they would sound better than anything I've heard yet. ;p

FoxPro5
06-19-2006, 07:11 AM
Someone needs to PM the admin to let him know the :search: fuction is broken again! :rolleyes: I bet there is 25 threads on the Pro60's and SLC's each.

Wiring a comp set in off a single channel would not be a wise idea.

Kickerkitty
06-19-2006, 11:02 AM
Dude is stuck on wiring his speakers like subs...

Class D front stage ftl

spudracer326
06-19-2006, 11:18 AM
the answer is clear get the germs....

PollyCranopolis
06-19-2006, 11:37 AM
Well, I have 1 4chan amp to work with. Half of it is for the subs. This leaves me 2 channels for the front and rear, as front stage alone just won't cut it. Thats my main reason for wanting a better comp set. Actually sounds pretty **** good right now, considering every piece of metal in the car rattles. I did the auto EQ with the 880 mic the other day, windows rolled up, and it errored out due to engine noise:P I'm ready to say **** it and go active with that 4 channel, and buy me a Merlin.

bamaboy
06-19-2006, 01:10 PM
i would think about the power cmx's or germs except the price is going to be 150 more than i can get Pro's for

6spdcoupe
06-19-2006, 01:14 PM
Everything comes with a price, and in the end you get what you pay for. Not steering towards one or the other, just making a valid point. Many have found them to be Well worth their money.

6spdcoupe
06-19-2006, 01:15 PM
On a side note, the Power line CMX is Very INexpensive, not much above the SLC, but pales in comparison to the Germs.

bamaboy
06-19-2006, 01:24 PM
i thought they were the same as the germs? pricewise

6spdcoupe
06-19-2006, 01:29 PM
No, not even close.