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bigrobrn
05-29-2006, 11:37 AM
I completed my 1/2 sealed enclosure for my 12" sub last week.
I used 3/4 MDF board and some nice 1 1/4 powerdrive screws. All predrilled holes, countersunk for the most part. I probably place a screw every 3-4 inches or so.
I used silicone. I did not use liquid nails. Is that a must?

MikeyB
05-29-2006, 11:41 AM
I prefer just good ol' wood glue, the cheap stuff. Its never failed me and its not as much of a mess as liquid nails. I would definitely have glued it, remember when building enclosures the screws aren't what hold it together. The screws just keep the wood tight until the glue dries, a properly built enclosure could have the screws completely taken out after it dried. I would suggest making a different enclosure and gluing it.

SSS 18734
05-29-2006, 11:43 AM
The glue is what really holds the box together. It's a must. But since you already have the box built, why not try it out? You might be satisfied.

MikeyB
05-29-2006, 11:45 AM
What setup are you running btw?

talon2nr7588
05-29-2006, 11:54 AM
The glue is what really holds the box together..

then what are the screws for?

6spdcoupe
05-29-2006, 11:56 AM
then what are the screws for?

If you read post #3, maybe you shoudlnt have skipped post #2...


I prefer just good ol' wood glue, the cheap stuff. Its never failed me and its not as much of a mess as liquid nails. I would definitely have glued it, remember when building enclosures the screws aren't what hold it together. The screws just keep the wood tight until the glue dries, a properly built enclosure could have the screws completely taken out after it dried. I would suggest making a different enclosure and gluing it.

bigrobrn
05-29-2006, 02:02 PM
I completed my 1/2 sealed enclosure for my 12" sub last week.

Not sure what I was smoking when I said 1/2 sealed enclosure.

Anyways, if It will help the resonance of the box, I will pull out all the wood screws and take it apart then use liquid nails. I used so many screws and silicone that it makes me wonder if the liquid nails would change the sound any. Its already air tight.

BigOso
05-29-2006, 02:07 PM
Use tightbond wood glue for all your joints and then use the screws to hold the box together until the glue dries. All the screws are for is to hold the wood until the glue dries.

bigrobrn
05-29-2006, 02:07 PM
my setup is one 12" sub (Arc Kar 12S4 for now) will be using a Arc 12D4 hopefully by this weekend sometimes.
I had to return my AA Arsenal 12 due to mechanical malfunction. Don't know if I'm getting it back. If'n I do, it may be up for sale in the near future.

Highs + mids = CDT CL61 and Clarion 5x7 on a RF 501x.
Sub amp = Memphis MC1000D.

Just a regular cab F150. Nice sq setup.

bigrobrn
05-29-2006, 02:09 PM
Use tightbond wood glue for all your joints and then use the screws to hold the box together until the glue dries. All the screws are for is to hold the wood until the glue dries.

So remove the screws when the glue dries???

I guess I've been out of box building for a while. I thought the screws were to remain.

iceteebone
05-29-2006, 02:09 PM
So remove the screws whent the glue dries???

I guess I've been out of the box building for a while. I thought they were to remain.


you don't have to remove the screws.

PV Audio
05-29-2006, 02:26 PM
The glue bonds the pieces together to form a single piece of wood. The screws are just there to hold the boards together while that bond is being created. If from no one else, take it from me as I've made many glueless enclosures which were all complete balls.

Darthn3ss
05-29-2006, 02:35 PM
i've always used liquid nails when building my box... i use it to glue the wood together (with screws of course) and then i've also used it on the inside to seal it..

req
05-29-2006, 02:37 PM
if you didnt glue it together with wood glue.

make a new box. if you can take it apart and put glue on the seams and then put it back together thats fine too.

silicone is just for making sure the box is 100% sealed.

MikeyB
05-29-2006, 04:01 PM
if you didnt glue it together with wood glue.

make a new box. if you can take it apart and put glue on the seams and then put it back together thats fine too.

silicone is just for making sure the box is 100% sealed.

precisely!;)

azbass
05-29-2006, 04:03 PM
wood glue is a must. not LN.

bigrobrn
05-29-2006, 04:07 PM
Ok, so take it apart, use wood glue on all the seams/joints, put it back together using the woodscrews, and I'm done.

Leave the screws in place when glue is dried.

How will this affect the sound/effieciency/resonance of the box? j/w

azbass
05-29-2006, 04:07 PM
it wont it will Hold the box together better.

bigrobrn
05-29-2006, 04:14 PM
wErd, thanks.

LoudCrownVic
05-29-2006, 04:16 PM
x2 on no liquid nails, it just ***** ***. In every way. Wood glue and hot glue FTMFW.

PV Audio
05-29-2006, 05:43 PM
Hot glue??

azbass
05-29-2006, 05:44 PM
i use hot glue all the time. ...

LoudCrownVic
05-29-2006, 05:46 PM
Hot glue??

HOT GLUE is the freaking man.

I'd have to go as far as to say:

Hot glue>duct tape

PV Audio
05-29-2006, 05:49 PM
Oh you talkin about like holding up dowels and **** for FG? I thought you were referring to actual enclosure construction, cause i can't think of a situation where you would even want to use it.

LoudCrownVic
05-29-2006, 05:50 PM
Oh you talkin about like holding up dowels and **** for FG? I thought you were referring to actual enclosure construction, cause i can't think of a situation where you would even want to use it.

I use hot glue to seeal the seams inside the box as well. Duct tape also works for this but is unreliable and tacky.

azbass
05-29-2006, 05:50 PM
no actual construction.

azbass
05-29-2006, 05:51 PM
can you make a TL for me ?

Towncar
05-29-2006, 05:51 PM
Liquid nails works good for sealing, but its so messy. I use woodglue, and silicone.

PV Audio
05-29-2006, 06:07 PM
can you make a TL for me ?
A folded one, sure.

azbass
05-29-2006, 06:08 PM
A folded one, sure.

:word: life

PV Audio
05-29-2006, 06:11 PM
You have a design or will I have to make it meself?

azbass
05-29-2006, 06:12 PM
You have a design or will I have to make it meself?

all you brother. get me somthing that will blow my house up.. :)

PV Audio
05-29-2006, 06:18 PM
That isn't the point of a TL :crap:

azbass
05-29-2006, 06:19 PM
That isn't the point of a TL :crap:

you know what i mean

PV Audio
05-29-2006, 10:20 PM
I know :D

Ignatowski
05-29-2006, 10:24 PM
screws and caulk will work fine......just caulk up the inside so u have no leaks
I havent used Liquid nails in years,the stuff dont hold **** anyways

bigrobrn
05-29-2006, 10:29 PM
Its gonna **** major @ss to unscrew that box and re-seal with wood glue.
But if its gonna help someway or anudder, I'll do it.

Majority votes here its pretty much a necessity.

I have no leaks at present.

bigrobrn
05-31-2006, 10:41 AM
got me some Titebond original wood glue yesterday from HD.

gonna start on it this weekend.

I thought about using Gorilla glue, but according to the directions, sounds like it might be a mess.

Anyone tried Gorilla glue?

hzsogood
05-31-2006, 10:44 AM
elmers probond or titebond 2

teamsubgopoof
05-31-2006, 11:00 AM
in all of the spl installs i've done...we have never NOT used liquid nails.

Liquid nails is the most awesome thing in the world for sealing up a box....calk looks tacky imo.

but like everyone has said....use a TON of wood glue...i use elmers....in most boxes i do for just everyday people i don't use screws...i use 2'' staples and an air stapler and let the glue hold it together and seal the inside with liquid nails (always) and your good to go =)