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Rallybred
04-20-2006, 02:49 PM
I know, I know, useless making changes without TL - oppurtunities arose and I am slacking on mic purchase...

Then this comp pops up this weekend.

Can't resist messing with my setup, I know human ears ****, but can I use flex as an indication of spl?

Thanks.

Rallybred
04-20-2006, 08:20 PM
Well, I really got down & tweaked on it today, finally getting tough to sit in - with music! Even with ear protection, it hurt my throat. Late nite tip and this other song off of some "Boston Acoustics Test CD" caused me to drive back home and get some water! Everything moves inside, and I mean everything, even the hood flexes!? Cant wait to throw some tone at a mic!

Pop da Hatch
04-20-2006, 08:24 PM
RRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrreally?

Rallybred
04-20-2006, 08:59 PM
RRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrreally?

Sound unbelievable? Try this, in a big gutted Navigator!

btnhfan
04-20-2006, 09:06 PM
No.

Flexing is not an indicator.

Rallybred
04-20-2006, 09:15 PM
No.

Flexing is not an indicator.

Crap...how about pain?

btnhfan
04-20-2006, 09:22 PM
Its not the same for everyone, so you really cant use it.


What maybe painful to me might not be for you.




Thats why the termlab=god.
Consistancy.

Pop da Hatch
04-20-2006, 10:09 PM
TL is the only way - whats ur system consist of?

1loudsuv
04-20-2006, 10:38 PM
where in so cal you live maybe i can help you test :) i got a tl...

Rallybred
04-20-2006, 10:49 PM
TL is the only way - whats ur system consist of?

Laptop optical out to
Alpine PXA-H701 DTS processor
Hifonics Gen X Saturn 60 wrms at 2 ohm to
Dual Quarts in kick and doors
2 Powerbass x3000d strapped at .05 ohm nominal
2 RE "Destroyers" ported CRX style
2 batteries

Navigator is currently stripped, to deaden.

Rallybred
04-20-2006, 10:53 PM
where in so cal you live maybe i can help you test :) i got a tl...

Going to victorville on sunday? I live in Riverside, practically downtown. Where do you test at? I usually do it at work (fontana, industrial).

I have a laptop in my truck at all times.

Rallybred
04-20-2006, 10:57 PM
My box has removable port plate (currently running 12" dia pvc tuned to 39hz) so tuning could be fun.

1loudsuv
04-20-2006, 11:00 PM
Going to victorville on sunday? I live in Riverside, practically downtown. Where do you test at? I usually do it at work (fontana, industrial).

I have a laptop in my truck at all times.
im thinking of going to fresno on sunday i was gonna hit sactown but its gonna rain but who knows what i may do lol. hmmmm what time can you test? i got a laptop and everything just need 120 volts to hook up the tl and laptop. i usually test at a freinds shop out in chino but i allready did my testing yesterday over their and gas is to expensive lately to be driving over their often lol im street a. but yah i might hit victorville might not still not 100% sure so let me know what time you can test my girl is off tommorow to :)

1loudsuv
04-20-2006, 11:01 PM
My box has removable port plate (currently running 12" dia pvc tuned to 39hz) so tuning could be fun.
wow thats one big mofo port lol i dunno if thats to big to LOL might want to try smaller in the future it might help might not but doesnt hurt to try you can always switch back. im gonna guess its hurting your score but its just a uneducated guess LOL

Rallybred
04-20-2006, 11:05 PM
im thinking of going to fresno on sunday i was gonna hit sactown but its gonna rain but who knows what i may do lol. hmmmm what time can you test? i got a laptop and everything just need 120 volts to hook up the tl and laptop. i usually test at a freinds shop out in chino but i allready did my testing yesterday over their and gas is to expensive lately to be driving over their often lol im street a. but yah i might hit victorville might not still not 100% sure so let me know what time you can test my girl is off tommorow to :)

Actually, chino is not that far for me (1 hour) let me know the next time you go.

I gotta stay small event right now, my truck is not exactly built towards the rules yet.

1loudsuv
04-20-2006, 11:08 PM
coo will do :) good luck at teh show on sunday

Rallybred
04-20-2006, 11:11 PM
wow thats one big mofo port lol i dunno if thats to big to LOL might want to try smaller in the future it might help might not but doesnt hurt to try you can always switch back. im gonna guess its hurting your score but its just a uneducated guess LOL

Yeah, my first box was weird too. You should see the port with a full 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper dancing in it! (only 60 or 70sq" per sub)

Built this port plate with SQL in mind. Wanna be Bass Race, Extreme street pounder daily, you know, Meade style.:cool:

Rallybred
04-21-2006, 12:22 AM
coo will do :) good luck at teh show on sunday

Good luck in Fresno, let me know afterwards about your freinds shop. Most shops around here would freakout if they saw my box or I asked them about reactive load:rolleyes: .

1loudsuv
04-21-2006, 12:24 AM
Good luck in Fresno, let me know afterwards about your freinds shop. Most shops around here would freakout if they saw my box or I asked them about reactive load:rolleyes: .
talking about that i havent tested my reactive load in this new box i got lol. im running my amps strapped at 1.5 but need to recone my subs to run them at .7 dam it :( if i happen to go on sunday to victorville hit me up. ive been wanting to find a better place to test cause my freind only likes to test in the day time and summer is around the corner so f that lol i rather test at night but he cant :(

azbass
04-21-2006, 12:25 AM
No.

Flexing is not an indicator.

sound pressure level and flexing :eyebrow:

req
04-21-2006, 12:34 AM
i hope you bring a 0db test tone CD with 20~70 hz in 5hz incriments. music is one of the worst ways to play with the TL.

SPL140.2
04-21-2006, 12:41 AM
i hope you bring a 0db test tone CD with 20~70 hz in 5hz incriments. music is one of the worst ways to play with the TL.


my music a 47hz tone and the pause button every 2 seconds ;)

btnhfan
04-21-2006, 12:45 AM
sound pressure level and flexing :eyebrow:

Ha.


What if, figurativley speaking of course, ( ;) , I pour concrete into my roof.


And it doesnt flex at all, and does upper 150s. And his roof does low 140s.





No way at all is it an accurate measure. It varies by car alone, forget about competing.

Rallybred
04-21-2006, 01:40 AM
i hope you bring a 0db test tone CD with 20~70 hz in 5hz incriments. music is one of the worst ways to play with the TL.

easy part

Rallybred
04-21-2006, 01:46 AM
talking about that i havent tested my reactive load in this new box i got lol. im running my amps strapped at 1.5 but need to recone my subs to run them at .7 dam it :( if i happen to go on sunday to victorville hit me up. ive been wanting to find a better place to test cause my freind only likes to test in the day time and summer is around the corner so f that lol i rather test at night but he cant :(

I would like to know my reactive load also, have the info to do it, just haven't tried it. I am trying to finish getting ready for the show, but if I have to work on sat or if it rains on sun I may not make it.

Rallybred
04-21-2006, 01:48 AM
Ha.


What if, figurativley speaking of course, ( ;) , I pour concrete into my roof.


And it doesnt flex at all, and does upper 150s. And his roof does low 140s.





No way at all is it an accurate measure. It varies by car alone, forget about competing.

Well, actually I was trying to compare the flex I have now and the flex I had before (same truck).

Rallybred
04-21-2006, 02:34 AM
Took my freind out to dinner mainly to try a "hair trick", but I scared her on the way there, said it was hard to breathe.

Maybe next time...

Pop da Hatch
04-21-2006, 04:27 AM
destryoer beer beer beer busch light busch light TL that shiats.........

Spkrman
04-21-2006, 08:44 PM
Its not the same for everyone, so you really cant use it.


What maybe painful to me might not be for you.




Thats why the termlab=god.
Consistancy.

yep...

Burp, do a 155

Come back a week later, burp, do a 154.. you wont be able to tell the difference.

Everyone is different, every car is different, but the TL is always the same :)

1loudsuv
04-21-2006, 09:07 PM
^^^^^^^^ very very very true to me a 149 sounds the same as a 151 shhh after the tl i even still couldnt belive my 149 box wasnt louder cause it sounded louder then the 151 box and actually seemed to flex the truck more

Spkrman
04-21-2006, 09:12 PM
^^^^^^^^ very very very true to me a 149 sounds the same as a 151 shhh after the tl i even still couldnt belive my 149 box wasnt louder cause it sounded louder then the 151 box and actually seemed to flex the truck more

Been there many times.

3-5db @ the same note is approx the point where you can say without a doubt there is a difference. You *can* notice a small difference if you A/B it (turn the volume up and down 1 or 2 notches)... but not if you burp and come back after a period of time.

Rallybred
04-22-2006, 02:08 AM
^^^^^^^^ very very very true to me a 149 sounds the same as a 151 shhh after the tl i even still couldnt belive my 149 box wasnt louder cause it sounded louder then the 151 box and actually seemed to flex the truck more

Well phunk, I know moving my box back made a drastic change, even more so than doubling my power. The fact that it is finally loud enough to cause pain even with ear protection has to be a good thing, I hope, guess I'll know on sunday when I step up to the mic.

1loudsuv
04-22-2006, 02:16 AM
Well phunk, I know moving my box back made a drastic change, even more so than doubling my power. The fact that it is finally loud enough to cause pain even with ear protection has to be a good thing, I hope, guess I'll know on sunday when I step up to the mic.
what do you mean exactly by move?? closer farther from the hatch to one side of the truck flipped it around????

Rallybred
04-22-2006, 03:25 AM
what do you mean exactly by move?? closer farther from the hatch to one side of the truck flipped it around????

closer to the hatch (crx)

Rallybred
04-22-2006, 03:26 AM
went from about 12" to about 3"

1loudsuv
04-22-2006, 03:31 AM
went from about 12" to about 3"
that is possible to gain you a db but i dobut more but who knows. but one thing ive learned is never ever ever ever ever ever did i say ever? trust your ear. if i go to the show hit me up so i can check out your setup :naughty: :D and ill show you what a 15x.x street a setup looks like in an explorer :up2somet:

Rallybred
04-22-2006, 10:05 AM
that is possible to gain you a db but i dobut more but who knows. but one thing ive learned is never ever ever ever ever ever did i say ever? trust your ear. if i go to the show hit me up so i can check out your setup :naughty: :D and ill show you what a 15x.x street a setup looks like in an explorer :up2somet:

Yeah, I know my ears ****. Before I moved the box, I couldn't move my wipers or a t-shirt in the window and could breathe in the truck. I should hit 15x too, I hit 143.5 with one destroyer at 2kw in a nasty box.

I would love to see your setup, but just because you offered to show it to me. I have peeked in Toxic Tuan's truck though, so won't be the firt loud explorer I have seen.

Picked up 2 more PB 3000d, won't have them till next weekend (4 total).

Rallybred
04-22-2006, 10:17 AM
Think 150 was my old goal, and since I never plan on removing my components, think my new goal will be 150 with music.

Hey, 1loudsuv, I may need to borrow a cd, depending on if they make me use one (laptop), but I am going to look for one today.

1loudsuv
04-22-2006, 01:42 PM
Think 150 was my old goal, and since I never plan on removing my components, think my new goal will be 150 with music.

Hey, 1loudsuv, I may need to borrow a cd, depending on if they make me use one (laptop), but I am going to look for one today.
mine is stuck in the changer :crying: and i forgot the old one at my freinds shop the one where i put in my cd player hmmmm but i think the promoter will have some at teh show

Rallybred
04-22-2006, 10:19 PM
mine is stuck in the changer :crying: and i forgot the old one at my freinds shop the one where i put in my cd player hmmmm but i think the promoter will have some at teh show

1X event right? If no one asks, I am going to play a 30 second track I made with 5 frequencies 4 sec duration with silence in between. Going to try to find a db jams and a couple bass race cds for just in case.

Spent all day trying to pretty stuff up, mount things, install dash panels:blush: . My truck is so tore apart right now, I hope they don't throw me in extreme. Got my 4 gauge sub wires in, rear seats back in.

Still got to wash my truck, duct tape port and subs, mess with my laptop a little, and go look for cds. Busy, busy, busy.

Might even try to fabricate a horn (aero style port end) later if I can't sleep.

Rallybred
04-29-2006, 11:40 AM
Okay, got the results of Victorville, CA dbdrag - My name is Sean Messer.

And here are the dBDRAG Winners
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Street A
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1. 151.3 Team Xs Spl - Tuan 151.1 151.1 151.1 151.3
2. 140.0 Byron Del Sid 140.0 140.0 140.0

Street B
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1. 140.0 Sylvester Guerro 133.4 139.2 139.7 140.0
2. 137.7 Jason Thurber 137.5 137.5 137.7
3. 139.3 Fabian Herrera 139.3 139.3
4. 133.6 Tweak 133.6 133.6
5. 128.9 Steve Wray 128.9

Street C
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1. 144.6 Chris Rios 144.0 144.0 144.1 144.6
2. 144.3 James Sar 144.3 144.3 141.4
3. 141.7 Lance Warner 141.7 141.7
4. 138.2 Adrian Rosa 138.2 137.9
5. 135.1 Lavance Solomon 135.1

Street Max 1-2
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1. 146.4 Andy Teuscher 146.0 141.9 146.2 146.4
2. 145.4 Kendell Phillips 142.7 145.4 145.2
3. 144.1 Jeremy Gallegos 144.0 144.1
4. 146.6 Seam Messer 146.6 143.5
5. 140.9 Osvaldo Garcia 140.9
6. 138.7 Team Hyzone - Paul 138.7
7. 137.8 Michael Mendez 137.8
8. 135.6 Kenny White 135.6
9. 135.5 Carlos Aranda
10. 134.1 Chris Lovett

Street Max 3-4
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1. 135.4 Wilbur 135.4 135.4 135.4 135.4

Super Street 1-2 Nw
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Super Street 1-2
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1. 163.1 Team Xs Spl - Jerffrey 163.1 163.1 163.1 163.0
2. 146.9 Tim Wepprecht 146.9 146.9 146.9


Top Ten Competitors
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1. 163.1 Team Xs Spl - Jerffrey
2. 151.3 Team Xs Spl - Tuan
3. 146.9 Tim Wepprecht
4. 146.6 Seam Messer
5. 146.4 Andy Teuscher
6. 145.4 Kendell Phillips
7. 144.6 Chris Rios
8. 144.3 James Sar
9. 144.1 Jeremy Gallegos
10. 141.7 Lance Warner

EOF
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BASS RACE

BassRace Winners
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119.9 Down
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1. 118.9 Murvin L.a Warren 118.9 118.9 118.9 118.9

120.0 To 129.9
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1. 126.6 Andy Teuscher 126.6 126.6 126.6 126.6


Qualifying
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Top Ten Competitors
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1. 126.6 Andy Teuscher
2. 118.9 Murvin L.a Warren
3. 000.0
4. 000.0
5. 000.0
6. 000.0
7. 000.0
8. 000.0
9. 000.0
10. 000.0

EOF

From Termpro, thanks Andy, wish I could register there.

Didn't know there was a bass race, that was why I went:furious: .

I jumped up 2nd to qualify and hit 146.6 at 38 hz, I was so disappointed I didn't hit 50 I immediately went to tweak on it until I popped a cap. Didn't even know I was in first:blush: . Couldn't do 46 again with one amp. Welcome me to the club.

Since then I have built another removable port much smaller and seems to have made great changes (hair trick) can't wait for next (1x) comp.