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negativezeroz
03-26-2006, 06:21 PM
No questions asked what would you buy? Yes I have an '06 Si on it's way but I've been eye-balling that Mark V for a long time and it's only literally 1K more so I could possibly get that.

I love the Si. Everything about it is good.
The Mark V- I like the fact that it's turbo'd stock cuz I could mod the GTI easier with lot less money. Since VW is Audi it's just like a cheap Audi. But yeah. Just an idea...tell me what you think...

On 1/4 mi times the Si is supposed to beat the GTI by .2 but since it's turbo'd stock get more gains out of every mod. I want either car to be running low 13's. I don't care about going any quicker than low 13's really. Yeah it'd be cool to run lik 11's but I don't really care about that.

Edit: Yes, I am retared. The poll should be '06 Si and '06 Mark V

azbass
03-26-2006, 06:23 PM
mark 4 for teh win... but id get the mark V

azbass
03-26-2006, 06:24 PM
and check vwvortex.com about the vw.

negativezeroz
03-26-2006, 06:25 PM
**** it..I put Mark IV...I meant mark v...:blush: I am retarded. :crap:

JL12W7INAGS300
03-26-2006, 06:48 PM
Id say the SI

Eldorado
03-26-2006, 06:51 PM
Vee dub
I just hate the styling of the new civics. Plus everyone and their mom buys them.
A Si wont stick out very much

desertheat
03-26-2006, 06:57 PM
Get a scion tc and have some fun :) Mine outruns both of those haha :D But if I had to choose, I would take the si. Very nice car.

ighettoboyi
03-27-2006, 12:19 AM
scion faster than an Si??? LOL sorry, ain't happening. tc's can't even run the 1/4 in less than 15 seconds let alone post a 90+ mph trap...

hlsd and 8k rpm redline > your life lol

as a car, i like the si better.... but the gti does look better (even though it doesnt even look great imo)

azbass
03-27-2006, 12:22 AM
he has a super charged one.....

Eugenics
03-27-2006, 12:22 AM
DSG ftw

ngsm13
03-27-2006, 12:23 AM
Jetta...

nG

KngOfThePkngLot
03-27-2006, 12:26 AM
GTi;)

spudracer326
03-27-2006, 12:29 AM
have fun getting them inot the low thirteens....i would take the gti...own a civic and am sick of seeing everyone have one...if you get the gti get the dsg with launch control...id take the gti...road and track agrees:)

dalucifer
03-27-2006, 02:49 AM
Gti

kuijo
03-27-2006, 02:52 AM
Si will have a much bigger aftermarket. Throw a turbo on it and it'll be in 13's easily probably 12's.
The new SI's come with the K20A3's?

negativezeroz
03-27-2006, 09:27 AM
Si will have a much bigger aftermarket. Throw a turbo on it and it'll be in 13's easily probably 12's.
The new SI's come with the K20A3's?

Yeah they come with the K20. But see I can't throw a turbo on that K20 til AFTER college. So if I get the GTI I can just have a stock turbo to play with. My dad wouldnotice if that Si had a turbo on it. Performance wise the best bet is the GTI if my dad will let me. I've been waiting on the MkV forever. But the Si came out way early compared to the MkV so that's why this is kinda in a tight situation. The Si will be here in 6weeks but since its on such a high demand, we could just get our deposit back (hopefully) and it'd be shipped somewhere else. GOing to look at a Candy White GTI today. I don't want DSG even though it does shift quicker, but I don't like automatic's. Just personal choice. Plus it costs more.

desertheat
03-27-2006, 07:50 PM
scion faster than an Si??? LOL sorry, ain't happening. tc's can't even run the 1/4 in less than 15 seconds let alone post a 90+ mph trap...

hlsd and 8k rpm redline > your life lol

as a car, i like the si better.... but the gti does look better (even though it doesnt even look great imo)


Okie dokie smart@ss :) I just ran a 14.336 @ 96 and my goal is a 13.99x by the end of the month :)

Exact specs... And yeah yeah my rt ****** on this run. That is just with the sc, header, s-pipe and 9.5psi pulley. Lots more mods to come woohoo! All this can be done with a tc for $20,500 if you install the sc yourself. Forgot to add that run was on 1/2 tank of gas and on 18" wheels with not so grippy falken 512's :)

r/t = 0448
60' = 2.166
330 = 6.022
1/8th = 9.222
MPH = 79.45
1000' = 11.980
1/4 = 14.336
MPH = 96.20


yes I can beat the crap out of the si or gti with ease in a stupid little scion tc haha. But I would still pick the si between the two of them. GTI can be built at a better hp per doller ratio.

imaspaceguy90
03-27-2006, 07:53 PM
id hit up the GTI man for sure

Slammed
03-27-2006, 08:50 PM
r/t = 0448
60' = 2.166
330 = 6.022
1/8th = 9.222
MPH = 79.45
1000' = 11.980
1/4 = 14.336
MPH = 96.20



good times!


my goal is to reach the low 14s.......probably with a JWT chip :)

Eugenics
03-27-2006, 08:55 PM
i'd rather have a cooper s

Eldorado
03-27-2006, 09:17 PM
Id rather have an Austin Mini Cooper with a Type R swap from a teg.

Mynameismcgyver
03-27-2006, 09:44 PM
the 06 GTI loooks like crap compared to the older models. COMPLETELY turned off IMO

JoeHemi57
03-27-2006, 10:52 PM
GTI with APR chip ftw, 252hp and over 300ft lbs of torque with just the chip. I drove both in the same night and the lack of torque in the Si *****, plus the interior is not on the same level as the GTI.

azbass
03-27-2006, 10:55 PM
Id rather have an Austin Mini Cooper with a Type R swap from a teg.

:rolleyes: why just why

Eldorado
03-27-2006, 10:56 PM
Because you can do N doe's (sp?) :D
And they are rare

azbass
03-27-2006, 10:58 PM
*shakes head*

Eldorado
03-27-2006, 11:04 PM
* neg reps*

johnecon2001
03-28-2006, 01:49 AM
Si will have a much bigger aftermarket. Throw a turbo on it and it'll be in 13's easily probably 12's.
The new SI's come with the K20A3's?

K20Z3


I'd take the VW.. even though I'm a diehard civic fan. As someone else said.. the new styling looks like ***. Plus, get this. Honda pre-released a few dozen of the new Si's to some performance tuning shops (HAsport, TOV, SCC, etc). One of the first things they all did was pull out the engine and throw in the bigger TSX engine (K24).

Besides, the Si is heavier than the old prelude. LAME.

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 02:19 AM
k24 ftw, i was going to swap one into my96 accord (did they swap the heads? or the whole block?)

kuijo
03-28-2006, 02:31 AM
They probably swapped the K20 head onto the k24 block. thats what everyone does these days.

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 03:13 AM
thats what i figured

Eldorado
03-28-2006, 03:45 AM
k24 ftw, i was going to swap one into my96 accord (did they swap the heads? or the whole block?)
Stupid underpowered accords.
I hate mine :(
I need the Vtech..:crap:

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 03:52 AM
h22 was quite nice stock, ~190 hp to the wheels and it would skoot very nicely. also very easy to install. wireing vtech wasn't too bad either. what year and model is yours? im assuming not an ex

Eldorado
03-28-2006, 03:59 AM
94 LX 2 door 5 speed.
Even fliping through the gears most cars can smoke it.
I think it needs a new 02 sensor though

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 04:12 AM
mine was a two door lx, but it was very strange. for example no factory lx's were supposed to come with disc brakes, but mine did. the wiring was slightly different and a whole lot of other ****. even stock i could take just about any civic si out. i used to call it the mutant before i changed everything over. right now im trying to track down the owner and buy it back because im sure i can get it for dirt cheap

oh and fix the o2 sensor if nothing else for mileage, also check the egr valve as those go ****** easy

Eldorado
03-28-2006, 04:17 AM
Disk brakes in front or out back ?
I know the tegs have them out back but mine has drums

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 04:21 AM
front and back. i hate tegs

SAG3
03-28-2006, 04:36 AM
i would get a eg and then swap in a k20. but thats just me.


but i would still get the civic.

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 04:38 AM
eg's are great. but i wouldn't spend that much on one, i'd probably just get an h block or b18 then turbo it

SAG3
03-28-2006, 04:40 AM
its not like they're that expensive to start with.

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 04:45 AM
exactly

Eldorado
03-28-2006, 05:06 AM
front and back. i hate tegs
coo, me too
Accords> tegs
More room for tall guys :D
If only i had enough for a B18 with a turbo :crap:

negativezeroz
03-28-2006, 09:13 AM
OK ladies since you have gotten off onto H22's and B18's I will take it back to the topic. Besides that, the quickest out of those two locally that I have seen, was an H23A in a CB7. Low 12's. Forgot the numbers but it was a quick one.

My dad has agreed to go look into the GTI. SO hopefully I can order that. Even though the car is a gift, I already told him I'll drop what I can on it to order the GTI.

Oh btw, desertheat, that's cool that your Toyota runs 14.3's but you do realize you are saying a modified car vs two stock ones? :crazy: Let me modify the GTI (if I can get it) and we'll talk..lol :*******: Hopefully your tC is still clean and nothing retarded on it. Pics?

desertheat
03-28-2006, 09:16 AM
Lucky GOSH. I never had a car as a gift :P but I am jelous of people that do!

negativezeroz
03-28-2006, 09:18 AM
Lucky GOSH. I never had a car as a gift :P but I am jelous of people that do! :blush: :D :up2somet: I am prepared to drop a couple of G's on the GTI payment as I must to order it. Since it comes close to ~2K more than the Si delivered.

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 09:31 AM
OK ladies since you have gotten off onto H22's and B18's I will take it back to the topic. Besides that, the quickest out of those two locally that I have seen, was an H23A in a CB7. Low 12's. Forgot the numbers but it was a quick one.

My dad has agreed to go look into the GTI. SO hopefully I can order that. Even though the car is a gift, I already told him I'll drop what I can on it to order the GTI.

Oh btw, desertheat, that's cool that your Toyota runs 14.3's but you do realize you are saying a modified car vs two stock ones? :crazy: Let me modify the GTI (if I can get it) and we'll talk..lol :*******: Hopefully your tC is still clean and nothing retarded on it. Pics?

its worth noting that the toyotas engine is pretty much bulletproof and can handle ~400 stock with minimal work

but.... dsg ftw, anybody know how much power it can handle?

negativezeroz
03-28-2006, 09:43 AM
its worth noting that the toyotas engine is pretty much bulletproof and can handle ~400 stock with minimal work

but.... dsg ftw, anybody know how much power it can handle?

From what I've read no one knows how much the DSG can handle but I'm not getting that anyways.

Yes, I know Toyota's are literally bulletproof but I was just stating the fact that its still a modified car vs stock one. ;)

desertheat
03-28-2006, 11:03 AM
Yeah but I am talking price for price. The tc with the sc package and engine mods would cost the he same if not less than the si or vw :) I am not talking modified or not. Just doller for doller. And yes she is kept clean, already have many compliments from the v8 / american guys at shows who now hang out with my "import" Was not trying to get this post offtopic but since you asked, here are a few photos... I have the exhaust setup so she is no louder at all on the freeway or daily driving. People think she is stock except for the whine from the supercharger. I build cars with taste and drivability in mind, not bling bling with 500 stickers or a fart can exhaust. She also has many many other mods besides just power.

http://www.4agtoys.com/MYSCIONTC/LATEST/JDH2.jpg

http://www.4agtoys.com/MYSCIONTC/LATEST/JDH1.jpg

http://www.4agtoys.com/MYSCIONTC/2-27-06/P1010087.JPG

http://www.4agtoys.com/MYSCIONTC/2-27-06/P1010088.JPG


The tc is a great all around drivers car with light suspension mods. I am running on Tein h-techs with hotchkis front and rear sway bars. Awsome combo. She rides on the freeway or in town just as nice and soft as stock, but hit her in the twisties and she tears it up big time, for a ff she will darn near oversteer if not heavy on the throttle, I have front sway set to soft and rear sway set to the most stiff setting. Interior has plenty of room and is quality. The all glass roof is amazing. features like auto up and down on drivers and passenger side windows, one touch tilt / open sunroof makes it feel like allot more expensive car than it is. Brakes are the same units found on the celica gts and stop the car in good time from memory was tested at 116 feet". My only complaint is lack of an LSD which the SI has. Quafe is offering one soon and I will install it along with a clutch when the time comes. Best thing is a tc's price loaded, not stripped is $16.700. I chose some options that cost allot more like side airbags, factory ground effects kit, factory spoiler and the like so it ran me more doh. But the bottom line is for the same cash as a si or vw, you can beat them both and keep your factory warranty :) Forgot to mention the torque, she has loads of it with the 2.4L engine and now running 9.5 psi at 9.5:1 compression. Very responsive engine. Going through the mountains rocks now with the supercharger, not loss in hp like it did when it was n/a The vw will also rock in the mountains, and the civic will be a dog above 5-6K feet.


last note, if you wanted to pump some cash, say around $4K extra into your tc for a set of forged pistons and custom rods you can easily be in the 350-400whp mark daily driver reliable "$24,000 - $25,000 total cost". But that is a bit much for me as when I get my dream car, the wife will use the tc as her daily driver. The TRD supercharger I am running is actually nothing more than a vortech f-trim sc unit capable of 20 psi. I am right at 230-235 to the wheels right now at 9.5 psi with oem TRD tuning / ecm flash which is crazy on the safe side and running very rich :) "255-260 crank" Which is plenty for me. With some very small other mods and some sticky rubber I will nail a high 13 which is all I want the car to do and then it will be retired from racing and my pennies will go to the purchase of my lotus exige hehe.

Forgot to mention the car averages 26-28mpg. Worst I have seen playing hard on the throttle was 22

desertheat
03-28-2006, 11:50 AM
I just read in scc that the GTi has a torsion beam rear suspension..? is this correct..? if it is, what a joke.

snb778
03-28-2006, 12:14 PM
should hit up the R32

negativezeroz
03-28-2006, 12:27 PM
I just read in scc that the GTi has a torsion beam rear suspension..? is this correct..? if it is, what a joke.
5Zigen's...nice. :)

The older Mark's did. The MkV has a four-link rear suspension.

To snb- The R32 is in Europe and Canada currently. It will be awhile before it's here.

desertheat
03-28-2006, 12:54 PM
Anyways keep the tc in mind since your spending your dads coin. He could buy the car for tons less, and let you spend the $$$ to modify it how you see fit. All choices are great cars.

negativezeroz
03-28-2006, 01:12 PM
Anyways keep the tc in mind since your spending your dads coin. He could buy the car for tons less, and let you spend the $$$ to modify it how you see fit. All choices are great cars.

Yes, I have thought about it. But I can't directly mod either car he buys for me. Since the GTI is already turbo'd, I can do easy mods that he won't notice. Example: I can do exhaust, wheels, tint, any audio I want(since yeah..:) ). Things I will do he won't really know about: APR Chip, possibly a slighter larger turbo, and possibly new IC. I don't want the car to run 12's but mid 13's would be nice. So if I got the tC I couldn't go get a SC for it.

All in all I am very lucky to have my dad offer to buy me a new car for my 18th.

johnecon2001
03-28-2006, 01:36 PM
k24 ftw, i was going to swap one into my96 accord (did they swap the heads? or the whole block?)


They probably swapped the K20 head onto the k24 block. thats what everyone does these days.

It was the whole block. Most people use new cams and a different Intake Manny. In this case, they used '05 RSX type S cams (same as DC5 in japan).

And it's VTEC, n00bx.

Trey803
03-28-2006, 08:27 PM
SVT LIGHTNING pones but.......since i was pulled over in a stock civic that was topped out and the cop said we were goin 95 i say get the gti

Eugenics
03-28-2006, 08:29 PM
i like spelling it vtech or vtek like the noobs doooo

Eldorado
03-28-2006, 08:38 PM
Vtec is ninjas that hide in the engine. They only come out at certian RPM
Thats why when you reach the point where it turns on your car sounds different and you get more power.
Thats the Ninjas doing their special work.

Trey803
03-28-2006, 08:56 PM
The ninjas in my truck make whining noises.... comes to find out it was a supercharger all along

Ignatowski
03-28-2006, 08:57 PM
Gti.....

negativezeroz
03-29-2006, 08:46 AM
Gti.....

Well my dad and I went and looked at the GTI last night. He just wanted to see it but we didn't get the keys to get inside of it. (I did that on Monday but he didn't want to last night?) He likes the Si styling alot better. :crap: I like the GTI better. We'll see....I'm hoping for the GTI but I will drive either. The warranty on the GTI is better than the Si's so that might just save me on getting the GTI.

snb778
03-29-2006, 09:02 AM
5Zigen's...nice. :)

The older Mark's did. The MkV has a four-link rear suspension.

To snb- The R32 is in Europe and Canada currently. It will be awhile before it's here.


maybe just like an 07 model...cause my friend just got one. I ride in it every day.

negativezeroz
03-29-2006, 11:48 AM
maybe just like an 07 model...cause my friend just got one. I ride in it every day.

Well that's cool but its outta my price range. If I get the GTI, it will be faster than the R32 anyways. :up2somet: Bump.

heyman421
03-29-2006, 03:40 PM
You can't go wrong with either!

I'm a VW fan, but those VTEC engines are nasty! Throw some webber sidedrafts on that thing and the sound alone would be worth having the car!

Those new 2.0t's are awesome awesome engines, tho. The torque is so unnatural, yet amazingly driveable. It's like having a diesel that can rev to 6k. They're also underrated from the factory. Most of them put down 200-210hp to the wheels right out of the box, so estimated 220-225hp brake from the factory. And if aftermarket support is anywhere near with the 1.8t's, there'll be some 4-500hp 2.0t's soon.

In all fairness, tho, there's a reason cars don't come with aftermarket parts from the factory, as soon as you start modding either car, you're gonna get marginally fewer miles out of the engine before rebuild, and you're going to have more problems. So if you need the car to last a while, i'd go with whichever you like driving more without mods. Don't choose based on them.

negativezeroz
03-29-2006, 03:57 PM
You can't go wrong with either!

I'm a VW fan, but those VTEC engines are nasty! Throw some webber sidedrafts on that thing and the sound alone would be worth having the car!

Those new 2.0t's are awesome awesome engines, tho. The torque is so unnatural, yet amazingly driveable. It's like having a diesel that can rev to 6k. They're also underrated from the factory. Most of them put down 200-210hp to the wheels right out of the box, so estimated 220-225hp brake from the factory. And if aftermarket support is anywhere near with the 1.8t's, there'll be some 4-500hp 2.0t's soon.

In all fairness, tho, there's a reason cars don't come with aftermarket parts from the factory, as soon as you start modding either car, you're gonna get marginally fewer miles out of the engine before rebuild, and you're going to have more problems. So if you need the car to last a while, i'd go with whichever you like driving more without mods. Don't choose based on them. Mods I'll do are: APR ECU, 2.5" DP and full 2.5" catback, new IC, wheels/rubber, of course audio, and maybe a larger turbo on GTI.

Si= catback, wheels/rubber, audio, Hondata

I want the GTI more though.

noob with an RS
03-29-2006, 04:02 PM
youre one lucky *****!! i want the SI so bad im even looking for a job to get one. dude, the SI is only 20 G'z, comes with LSD, comes with the K20 motor (which the RSX comes with; and the RSX is supposedly the fastest non-aspirated stock car out); the SI is car and drivers car of the year.. or i think it was road and driver.. i forget which magazine but it was a very credible one. i also like the look of the SI. the gti is not my cup of tea at all.. the front-end looks weird for a hatch i'd rather have an old civic hatch body with the gti engine.. or i'd take an SI over it ANY day :D.. IF YOU PICK A GTI OVER THE SI I WILL HATE YOU YES I WILL HATE YOU. the SI is HOT man... you don't see SI's everywhere you go neither.. in fact, ive only seen one and it was at bear mountain in the snow. GET THE SI.

Eugenics
03-29-2006, 04:36 PM
there are many different rev's of the k20. the one in the last civic was worthless. not sure about this one

noob with an RS
03-29-2006, 08:56 PM
the last SI (the hatchback body) was horrible for the price.. this new SI is the shiznit. trust me. every honda-head will tell you this SI is a great deal... you wont regret getting one for the price.. people are saying its a lot better buy than going with an RSX.

Eugenics
03-29-2006, 09:00 PM
i dont disagree, i was just commenting on the engine block of the last one i recall. if i was in the market for a fwd car i might consider it. The mini cooper s has my fancy above all other fwd cars at the moment, yesterday i rode in one, they pull like a slave.

Truth be told i doubt i'll ever buy another fwd car again. I had ~300whp running from my accord when it was turboed and it was simply way too much. RWD has much more flexability and imo is much more fun to drive. not to mention the options are near endless.

azbass
03-29-2006, 09:10 PM
meh just get teh gti. it has cool seats..

dubbinjet
03-29-2006, 10:50 PM
2.oTurbo

Chip, intake, turboback exhaust, FMIC = ~275hp and ~320 lb/tq

that is my guess. Revo makes a chip that claims 260hp 300lb/tq alone. do it. i love my mark IV 1.8T, its revo'd with a DP and exhaust, intake...its pretty quick.

azbass
03-29-2006, 11:05 PM
mark IV wtf

negativezeroz
03-30-2006, 08:54 AM
mark IV wtf

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/graphics/2004/11/08/golf17.jpgMK IV
http://arabam.milliyet.com.tr/fuar/2004/paris/vw_golf_gti.jpgMKV.

I messed up on the poll and put IV but I meant V.