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dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:05 PM
i'm looking to go active here. 2-way comp set needed. prefer diy route. 6.5" needed. and i do know about diymobileaudio.com but i want YOUR opinions and i will look into them as well

amps i have are two diamonds:

d3 400.2
Type: Full Range
Channels: 2
RMS @ 4 Ohm: 100 x 2
RMS Mono: 400 x 1 @ 4 Ohm
THD: 0.05%
Crossovers: Low Pass, High Pass

d5 300.2
CHANNELS: 2
o AMP OUTPUT: @ 11V - 14.5V
o RMS @ 4 Ohms = 75 x 2
o RMS @ 2 Ohms = 150 x 2
o RMS @ 4 Ohms = 300 x 1 Bridged
* Fully regulated power supply
* Variable Electronic Crossovers
* Nickel Plated Solid Brass 4-gauge Power Connectors
* Nickel Plated Solid Brass 10-gauge Speaker Connectors
* 2 Oz Silver Plated Copper Circuit Board
* THD: .03%
* F/R: 10Hz -50Khz
* S/N: 100dB
* Channel Separation: 80dB
* Amplifer Size: 12.5" x 2.75" x 12"
* FUSE RATING: 60 AMP MAX
* MADE IN THE USA

this is what i have to work with. also i listen to alot of punk/emo/ska/hardcore/metal and some rap.

as for tweeters i'd probly prefer soft/silk tweeters.

Slammed
03-13-2006, 07:09 PM
-6.5" drivers-

Dayton Reference

Seas Lotus

Seas Performance


-7" drivers-

Seas CA18RNX

Max Fidelity High Q


-tweets-

Max Fidelity Neo

LPG 25NFA

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:14 PM
i can't really fit 7" so i'm stuck with the 6.5". and thanks for the suggestions. any otherS?

alphakenny1
03-13-2006, 07:16 PM
for tweets also add LPG 25nfa

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:17 PM
so what is the bare basic i want to look for in tweeters i.e. in the specs?

alphakenny1
03-13-2006, 07:22 PM
well when doing at diy setup, just look at the frequency response graphs to see how they play. look to see if they can play low meaning for tweeters low is between the 1-2khz range, meaning is the response graph pretty much flat around that area. now once you choose a tweeter. then try to find a mid that can play up to where the tweeter starts rolling off the frequency response graph. you can also do vice versa, look at a mid's FR graph then find a tweet to match up with it.

as for any specs, tweeters don't need that much power to get them going. tweeters are pretty efficient.

99StangGt
03-13-2006, 07:22 PM
I am running Koda 6 mids and those Aura tweets that were on here for a while. When i was running active it was with the Seas CA18RNX and Aura tweets. sounded great. The Seas CA18RNX are almost the same size as 6.5s. I repleaced my ID6.5s with the seas and didnt have to do any cutting to fit them.

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:26 PM
well when doing at diy setup, just look at the frequency response graphs to see how they play. look to see if they can play low meaning for tweeters low is between the 1-2khz range, meaning is the response graph pretty much flat around that area. now once you choose a tweeter. then try to find a mid that can play up to where the tweeter starts rolling off the frequency response graph. you can also do vice versa, look at a mid's FR graph then find a tweet to match up with it.

as for any specs, tweeters don't need that much power to get them going. tweeters are pretty efficient.

that's what i wanted to hear. another question. how do you kno if it's a reliable tweeter just by reading the specs and looking at the fr graphs?

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:27 PM
I am running Koda 6 mids and those Aura tweets that were on here for a while. When i was running active it was with the Seas CA18RNX and Aura tweets. sounded great. The Seas CA18RNX are almost the same size as 6.5s. I repleaced my ID6.5s with the seas and didnt have to do any cutting to fit them.

yeah i have problems with getting speakers with oversized baskets like the cdts and i have no room to fabricate an mdf ring behind the panel without modding it and prefer to stay away from that.

Slammed
03-13-2006, 07:28 PM
rep points for you alphakenny :)

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:29 PM
rep points for you alphakenny :)

i'd rep ya again alphakenny but i gotta spread some love first. ;) and thanks for your help as well slammed.

loserpunk
03-13-2006, 07:33 PM
that's what i wanted to hear. another question. how do you kno if it's a reliable tweeter just by reading the specs and looking at the fr graphs?

you really can't tell realiability by just looking at the numbers, do a search around, if you find a tweet you like, search the forums for any kind of reviews of them, talking to people who have actually used the product is about the only way you're going ot be able to get any gauge of realiability, those LPG's mentioned above are great tweets, but there are TONS more......just search around for what you like then ask what others opinions are on them....relaly the only way

alphakenny1
03-13-2006, 07:33 PM
thanks to you both :).

and what do you mean by reliable? remember the car environment isn't the greatest place for speakers. the frequency response just gives you a pretty good, not exact, idea of how they play.

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:37 PM
thanks to you both :).

and what do you mean by reliable? remember the car environment isn't the greatest place for speakers. the frequency response just gives you a pretty good, not exact, idea of how they play.

by reliability i meant how good and clean they'll play, the quality of sound produced, etc. or if they'll be some crappy flat, dull tweets or if they'll be full, dynamic, bright tweets with great sq and no distortion while getting in the lower frequencies.

alphakenny1
03-13-2006, 07:38 PM
by reliability i meant how good and clean they'll play, the quality of sound produced, etc. or if they'll be some crappy flat, dull tweets or if they'll be full, dynamic, bright tweets with great sq and no distortion while getting in the lower frequencies.

roger i see what you're saying. this site should be your friend in answering all your questions: http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5.

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:40 PM
roger i see what you're saying. this site should be your friend in answering all your questions: http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5.

yeah i kno about it already but i wanted all of your guys' opinions first before i started being a noob and getting flamed over there. lol.

alphakenny1
03-13-2006, 07:47 PM
lol. don't worry. the people at diyma are awesome people. most friendly people you'll ever meet and if you have a specific question they will be glad to help. places like diyma don't flame people for being a "noob."

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 07:50 PM
is it me or is the diyma site having problems loading? i get an error page.

alphakenny1
03-13-2006, 07:57 PM
its fine for me. my friend was having problems with diyma as well so its just not you. but i have no problems.

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 08:13 PM
anyone kno about the seas std tweeters? 29TAF/W 27 or the 27tbc/g

alphakenny1
03-13-2006, 08:14 PM
www.zaphaudio.com. he's done a tone of reviews on those large format tweets.

AcidicDreams
03-13-2006, 08:24 PM
I don't know why it didn't dawn on me I have a set of those Aura tweets just stiing around or we could have worked them into the trade... they are pretty nice.. :)

dkguitarist
03-13-2006, 08:27 PM
I don't know why it didn't dawn on me I have a set of those Aura tweets just stiing around or we could have worked them into the trade... they are pretty nice.. :)

rofl. i can't believe you didn't remember either. wanna pm me and we can talk? ;)

99StangGt
03-13-2006, 08:53 PM
I don't know why it didn't dawn on me I have a set of those Aura tweets just stiing around or we could have worked them into the trade... they are pretty nice.. :)


I would have took them also, :laugh: Are those the ones that came on the mid trim ring?

AcidicDreams
03-13-2006, 08:56 PM
yah... I gave excelerator a free set with the MR62 comps I sent him so he wouldn't break up the braxial if he decided to run them seperately... he might be willing to part with his set as well...

dkguitarist
03-14-2006, 11:27 AM
ok guys, i have a couple different tweeters in mind now after reading some reviews.

Usher 9550c
LPG (silk version)
Seas 27tbc/g

what do you guys think? i don't have any mids in mind yet. just goin for tweets first then choose mids based on the lowest xover of the tweet.

~Magick_Man~
03-14-2006, 11:53 AM
well that usher has a max of 15 watts and only 88db sensitivity
so i wouldnt use that one.
and i dont know much about the other 2.

~Magick_Man~

dkguitarist
03-14-2006, 11:54 AM
well that usher has a max of 15 watts and only 88db sensitivity
so i wouldnt use that one.
and i dont know much about the other 2.

~Magick_Man~

i've heard from ppl that the usher can actually handle more than 15w but can get pretty loud with little power. like i said tho, i've heard great things about all of them.

*edit* just bought some re re mids off of mr Tibbs. need a tweeter to go with thesse. last piece of the puzzle for now!! someone give me some input on my 3 choices above!!!

dkguitarist
03-14-2006, 01:49 PM
any ideas?

alphakenny1
03-14-2006, 02:46 PM
i have the LPG 25nfa if you didn't already i love them :). My quick review for you about the lpg's. don't let the silk dome fool you, these things are as detailed as they come. great top end extension. but at the same time plays really smoothe. position of this is important (but this is the case for all speakers anyways) because i had them in my stock location and wow they were sibiliant. But then i changed it to position of the tweeters closer to me on the dash and man made a huge difference. it definately broadened (sp?) my soundstage but also more importantly got rid of the sibliance. click on my sig to see my first install of the tweets and then later on into page 3 i show pics of where i changed it to. hell of a difference.

dkguitarist
03-14-2006, 04:38 PM
also i did some reading as to sensitivity ratings and read that a higher sensitivity means more efficiency, but will lose the lower end. i kno you can't base solely on tweeter efficiency, but what is an ideal efficiency for tweeters? and what are some other key things to look for?

///M5
03-15-2006, 11:42 PM
You left off the RS28, which is almost identical to the 9950 (guess who makes the Dayton driver). And really it is so personal preference and application specific no-one should really recommend you anything. If you like silk better then of course buy the silk Seas, if metal either the Usher or LPG will be fine. The Usher and Seas play a lot lower in frequency cleanly though, so I'd use a mid that can play higher with the LPG and then of course mount them as close as possible to each other. If these are going to be mounted off axis then by all means make sure you note the off axis response and do worry about extra reflections when selecting as well. If I had to pick and I were you and they were mounted within 20 degrees of axis I'd grab the Usher for metal or the Seas for silk depending on your preference. (you may find in your Escort though that having the tweets completely off axis sounds better, just experimentation will tell).

Don't worry about tweeter efficiency, just throw a good 50w amp on them and any of the above will be fine--you probably will rarely be putting more than 10w into anyways.

As with any install of any speakers in your car, the actual installation is really the deciding factor on how they will sound. This is especially true with DIY sets since you are at liberty to choose what frequencies go where in your car and to what driver.