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thadman
03-09-2006, 09:17 PM
I have the ability to trade my brand new indash screen...which ive been trying to sell for quite a long time (4+ months) for a 1 month old 9835. The seller has promised to include a brand new faceplace along with $100.

The problem is...I can try try and wait a little bit longer and sell the unit for $400-450 and pick up a brand new cd8454 for $330.

Im planning on running a set of Image Dynamics horns along with Ascendant Audio Poly mids or the ology mids if they live up to the hype...along with ever being released.

Which should I go for?

spudracer326
03-09-2006, 09:21 PM
if you get a brand new face plate and 100 bux id do the 9835...no one says youll sell the indash any sooner...i guess its a compramise of sorts...

ngsm13
03-09-2006, 09:22 PM
Take the 9835 man. It's *******.

nG

thadman
03-09-2006, 09:25 PM
im aware that the 9835 is a nice unit, but the 8454 swamps it in overall processing.

How does the 9835 compare to the 8454 feature wise? Strictly as an SQ unit.

Would I have the ability to add a H701 with the 9835?

Does the 9835 have any onboard amplification? I am planning on running the horns off the headunits onboard amp (they only require 1-8 watts at most).

alphakenny1
03-09-2006, 09:26 PM
ima quote 3.5maxspd on a huge reason why the eclipse should be had over the alpine



that leaves the the alpine as the most flexible unit, but i have to comment on its ease of operation. I find it to be very poorly implemented with too many menu's under one knob and making you use the glidestip to navigate. You also cannot raise or lower volume while you set you xovers/ EQ realtime-which is pointless and a no-no...

thadman
03-09-2006, 09:31 PM
I believe you are thinking of the 9855 (2005), the 9835 (2004) does not possess a glidestrip.

spudracer326
03-09-2006, 09:34 PM
I beleave the 9835 has a 5 band para eq and 3 channel crossover built in....and yes i beleave you could add the h701 if you wanted...

alphakenny1
03-09-2006, 09:35 PM
I believe you are thinking of the 9855 (2005), the 9835 (2004) does not possess a glidestrip.

yea i know but the point of me quoting that is because on the eclipse you can do real time tuning, meaning when you change crossover pts/slopes and eq, you can turn up the volume right there to actually listen to the change on the spot. but on an alpine, when you change crossover pts/slopes and eq, you can't change the volume on the spot and hence you need to move back to the normal menu then up the volume to hear the changes. eclipse is much better HU to tune.

thadman
03-09-2006, 09:36 PM
Are there any other opinions on these 2 units? My goal is for a strict SQ vehicle with some SPL, its going to be a daily driver.

Ive decided on using horns, because they offer me the ability to use the headunits amplification (saves me $100-150 for a new amp), offer amazing dynamics, and dont require severe modification to my compact car (fitting a large format tweeter, such as a Seas 27TDFC in the car), and they'd be something unique.

spudracer326
03-09-2006, 09:37 PM
yea i know but the point of me quoting that is because on the eclipse you can do real time tuning, meaning when you change crossover pts/slopes and eq, you can turn up the volume right there to actually listen to the change on the spot. but on an alpine, when you change crossover pts/slopes and eq, you can't change the volume on the spot and hence you need to move back to the normal menu then up the volume to hear the changes. eclipse is much better HU to tune.


I dunno... you get used to it...just like any unit...if you know how to use it you can be just as quick...it does **** that you cant turn the volume up when making adjustments....the tuning is real time though...when yo change it it changed the sound coming outa the speaker...at least on my 9855 it does..

thadman
03-09-2006, 09:38 PM
Eh...this is such a hard decision.

Would it be difficult to sell a 1month old 9835 with a brand new faceplate on these forums or ebay? How much would I fetch?

spudracer326
03-09-2006, 09:49 PM
no...as far as price i dunno...

spudracer326
03-09-2006, 09:51 PM
on ebay they area a couple hundred...id get him to toss in two hundred or one fifty at least....

ngsm13
03-09-2006, 09:52 PM
Eh...this is such a hard decision.

Would it be difficult to sell a 1month old 9835 with a brand new faceplate on these forums or ebay? How much would I fetch?

You could fetch $350 for it easy.

nG

ngsm13
03-09-2006, 09:53 PM
Also, I switched FROM an Eclips 8053 with BLA adapter TO my Alpine 9835... and liked it A LOT more ;).

nG

FoxPro5
03-09-2006, 09:59 PM
I you are considering the 701 processor, then the 9835 is your deck. If you want one of the best decks out there with an internal amp and all the great features - including Eclipse sound :yumyum: then that is a pretty easy allocation of $330 IMO...heck I bought a used 8454 back in the day for $315.

I'd also throw the DRZ-9255 in the mix if you plan to go active 3 way up front in the future. Never hurts to plan a head ~ which I know nothing about it of course, but that's what "they" tell me ;)

FoxPro5
03-09-2006, 10:00 PM
Also, I switched FROM an Eclips 8053 with BLA adapter TO my Alpine 9835... and liked it A LOT more ;).

nG

I need 5 good reasons right now NG :D

alphakenny1
03-09-2006, 10:08 PM
well it seems like you want the alpine more so then get it. but in terms over flexbility tuning wise, the alpine doesn't come close IMO.

thadman
03-09-2006, 10:25 PM
I have no bias towards either, Im just not very informed on the 9835.

The 9255 is almost twice as expensive if not more than the 8454 and the 9835, while only offering 18dB octave slopes and less equalization options. Other than the high quality CD transport, which I cant see it being that much better than the offerings of Eclipse or Alpine justifies the huge inflation in price and less tuning options (even though it does offer 4 way xovers)

ngsm13
03-09-2006, 10:25 PM
well it seems like you want the alpine more so then get it. but in terms over flexbility tuning wise, the alpine doesn't come close IMO.

Just b/c you're on Eclipse's nuts doesn't mean the alpine doesn't come close ;)...

The alpine has a much superior display, easier menu navigation, much easier file navigation, easier control of immediate needed functions, easier track navigation, great on screen active xover, iPersonalize, etc, etc, etc.

I'm not doggin on the Eclipse at all, and I'm not a complete Alpine wh0re either. But to say the 9835 doesn't come close to the Eclipse is absolutely ludicrous.

I for one will be picking up a CD7000. Then we'll see if my 9835 is for sale or not.

nG

alphakenny1
03-09-2006, 10:29 PM
Just b/c you're on Eclipse's nuts doesn't mean the alpine doesn't come close ;)...

The alpine has a much superior display, easier menu navigation, much easier file navigation, easier control of immediate needed functions, easier track navigation, great on screen active xover, iPersonalize, etc, etc, etc.

I'm not doggin on the Eclipse at all, and I'm not a complete Alpine wh0re either. But to say the 9835 doesn't come close to the Eclipse is absolutely ludicrous.

I for one will be picking up a CD7000. Then we'll see if my 9835 is for sale or not.

nG

lol okay okay maybe it does come a lil close. don't get me wrong, the 9835 is a fine unit and if i had a choice of an alpine HU that would be it but still facts are facts and the eclipse is better ;).

If you don't like the CD7000 i'll trade yah my 8455 ;).

thadman
03-09-2006, 10:44 PM
how many bands per channel would I be able to mess with on each unit?

iceteebone
03-09-2006, 10:53 PM
i'm in the process of switiching between an eclipse 8443 and alpine 9835. what intriqued me about the alpine was the xm and ipod capabilites. the only big difference i see in processing is eq. alpine 5 band peq vs. eclipse 10.

thadman
03-09-2006, 10:55 PM
Is that independent 5 channels of equalization on each channel or total for the alpine?

ngsm13
03-09-2006, 10:57 PM
lol okay okay maybe it does come a lil close. don't get me wrong, the 9835 is a fine unit and if i had a choice of an alpine HU that would be it but still facts are facts and the eclipse is better ;).

If you don't like the CD7000 i'll trade yah my 8455 ;).
Not necessarily.

Simply put, it's a matter of opinion. My good friend has had an 8455... twice. So I've had extensive hands-on experience with it. Not impressed overall... I like the ease of use and navigation of my 9835 better.

nG

iceteebone
03-09-2006, 10:58 PM
Is that independent 5 channels of equalization on each channel or total for the alpine?
5 total. the eclipse has 5 for mid, 5 for high, no sub eq

alphakenny1
03-09-2006, 11:01 PM
Not necessarily.

Simply put, it's a matter of opinion. My good friend has had an 8455... twice. So I've had extensive hands-on experience with it. Not impressed overall... I like the ease of use and navigation of my 9835 better.

nG

when i meant facts are facts eclipse is better what i meant is that it has better tuning options. again real time tuning, more bands on PEQ, attenuation all the way down to -30db. again not to mention 8v preout, 55 ohm input impedance and 24bit DAC.

but yes its all opinion but i'm just pushing forward the facts ;).

3.5Max6spd
03-10-2006, 04:48 PM
I have the ability to trade my brand new indash screen...which ive been trying to sell for quite a long time (4+ months) for a 1 month old 9835. The seller has promised to include a brand new faceplace along with $100.

The problem is...I can try try and wait a little bit longer and sell the unit for $400-450 and pick up a brand new cd8454 for $330.

Im planning on running a set of Image Dynamics horns along with Ascendant Audio Poly mids or the ology mids if they live up to the hype...along with ever being released.

Which should I go for?

horn setup? Go with the better front stage tuning deck... that would be the 8454 that will give you 5 bands of PEQ for the horns themselves, and 5 bands for your midbass.