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ighettoboyi
03-07-2006, 02:55 AM
...would you purchase for $200/pair (give or take maybe 50 bucks). i'd prefer not to assemble any crossovers or enclosures, but i do realize that could limit my choices for the worse so give me your opinions. i'm open to suggestions. i plan on running around 100w per @ 8ohm off a 5.1 receiver... sub will more than likely be an rl-i 8" (0.7 ft^3 ~ 24hz)... I do understand that 200 dollars won't get me anything serious but i'm broke and need something decent to start out with. i'm interested in a setup that's superior/comparable to something like an infintiy primus pair or polk rti4...

these will NOT be a part of a surround setup, strictly 2.1....

joetama
03-07-2006, 03:02 AM
If you want to compete with the Infinity and Polk stuff you don't have to try too hard. For $200/pair, hmm you're not going to get much. My best recomendation for that price would be build your own...

ighettoboyi
03-07-2006, 03:10 AM
right so what drivers etc...

i lack money, time, and experience building HT speaks so lets do this a step at a time

example: would the dayton kit at partsexpress be comparable/superior to other mainstream crap or is it not even worth the time/effort to build it?

j3bus2k3
03-07-2006, 03:12 AM
Did u check out PartsExpress's project showcase? They've got dozens of projects and give you a price for all the components.

joetama
03-07-2006, 03:14 AM
I would start by looking on parts express show case... For that price though is pretty low end.....

brandontw
03-07-2006, 04:36 AM
are you looking for SQ or are you just gonna try to turn them up as loud as they go?

ighettoboyi
03-07-2006, 06:29 PM
sq...but they still can't be some ***** *** drivers that'll blow from 100w of cheap power

i'm just looking for other options besides the mainstream...infinity, polk, klipsch, even athena... looking for something around the same price range (150~250 TOTAL for the pair) that's actually worth getting over the mainstream stuff...

brandontw
03-07-2006, 07:50 PM
line arrays...:up2somet:

ballstothewall
03-07-2006, 08:02 PM
line arrays...:up2somet:
:yourock:

If i only had some...

brandontw
03-07-2006, 10:13 PM
build you some..i bet you could get some going for around 200...thats about how much mine were...

brandontw
03-07-2006, 10:19 PM
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=290-010

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=264-804

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=260-144&scqty=2


Subtotal: $224.86

then some wood and glue and your good to go...

Eldorado
03-07-2006, 10:26 PM
uhmm...
AA arbiter set.

ballstothewall
03-07-2006, 10:29 PM
build you some..i bet you could get some going for around 200...thats about how much mine were...

Oh I will. Just If I do now, I'm gonna try to figure out a way to get them in a dorm room, and that would be kinda nuts.

The tweets are gonna cost more than the NSB's though, thats the bad part.... but I will make some, you can count on that. After my extremis project and possibly a new truck (well, new to me, my current one has issues)

brandontw
03-08-2006, 12:54 AM
Oh I will. Just If I do now, I'm gonna try to figure out a way to get them in a dorm room, and that would be kinda nuts.

The tweets are gonna cost more than the NSB's though, thats the bad part.... but I will make some, you can count on that. After my extremis project and possibly a new truck (well, new to me, my current one has issues)
good luck finding any NSB's... especially for 50 cents a peice..if you do find some let me know where, i could use some more.

Beat_Dominator
03-08-2006, 12:55 AM
The PSB Alpha B monitors got an editor's choice award in TAS (The Absolute Sound) and they list for $249....

http://www.psbspeakers.com/Images/Speakers/Alpha/ALPHAB.jpg


http://www.psbspeakers.com

Eldorado
03-08-2006, 12:56 AM
PSB's bump pretty good.
I heard some in a clothing store once

HincklNutt
03-08-2006, 01:09 AM
ascendant audio arbiter kits start at 80....

the mids are on sale for 30 right now!

ighettoboyi
03-08-2006, 03:29 AM
hmm canadian speaks...interesting, i'll have to check out some local dealers...

i used to be a proud owner of mackie industrial monitors and tannoy speaks (used mostly for turntables) and quite honestly, that's the type of quality i'm looking into right now (even though i'm broke as all hell). i honestly can't afford anything from either manufacturer though...

i'm starting to boil things down to some reasonable options, i want some opinions and possibly even first-hand experiences (though i doubt i'll get any)..

First up is a pair of behringer truth b2031P's...
http://images.music123.com/products/full//b2031P_250.jpg
these are the cheapest of the pairs i'm considering...they go for 160 shipped and sport a 8.75" mid...PLEASE no posts about some review there was on the active version of these, i'm interested in passive only..

next alesis monitor one mkIIs..
http://images.music123.com/products/full/Alesis/58036.jpg
these are selling for 200 shipped... i've read that these tend to be bass-heavy...

i've also been looking at some samson resolv 65 monitors...
http://images.music123.com/products/full/Samson/51635.jpg
these seem to be most comparable to the alesis set but what do i know (also 200 shipped for the pair)..

next is a pair of event 20/20 v2 monitors...
http://images.music123.com/products/full/Event/105985.jpg
these are between 260~300 shipped and rock an 8" mid...again, please no comments about the online review of these and the behringers as they were both active monitors...

and lastly, some good ol' jbl's:
http://images.music123.com/products/full/JBL/4408astudio.jpg
these cost 300 a pair, definitely the most i'm willing to spend. these too rock an 8" mid. i've also read a few positive reviews on these...

again i'm only looking for a passive set... eldorado is still trying to convince me to go the artiber route and build enclosures...we'll see... give me opinions!!!

Beat_Dominator
03-08-2006, 01:11 PM
My studio I use has those event monitors, I think they are pretty weak :crap:

ighettoboyi
03-08-2006, 01:19 PM
are yours passive or active? if passive, how much power or what kind of amp do you have on them?

Beat_Dominator
03-08-2006, 01:21 PM
They are actives.

ighettoboyi
03-08-2006, 01:30 PM
i think i might disregard any pair that has a big mid like 8"

and what'd i say like 3 times already about commenting on active setups...it's like comparing apples to oranges my friend even though theyre the same **** speaker

Beat_Dominator
03-08-2006, 01:31 PM
Yeah, they do ok down low but it's easy to spot the weakness in the upper mid range created buy that 8"-er.

ighettoboyi
03-08-2006, 03:47 PM
i'm also considering tannoy proto j's...200 a pair

joetama
03-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Those mini-monitor speakers (what I call them) all usually sound weak. I have never heard one that I liked. They are usually ok components with cheap parts with a shinny finish. Where I have seen them used successfully is in SMALL home studios where basic mastering takes place and they want something that sounds better than the "computer" speaker. But, now a lot of reference grade companies that are making a cheaper line system that sound very good.

You can find some Rega R1’s for around $350 if you look hard, and I know that is above the budget but I don’t think you would reget getting them.

Also, if you look around online or at local dealers you can get some DM601 S2 or S2’s for $330 or less check ebay and froogle. I own a pair of the DM601 S3 speakers and love them. Also, the DM 303’s you can find even cheaper. Also, if you wanted to go the DIY way, the Arbitor set from AA is pretty good also. I actually have a set in production using the AA parts not...


DM601 S3
https://www.hometheaterstore.com/store/product.php?productid=1807
*$225x2, but I got mine for $309


DM303
https://www.hometheaterstore.com/store/product.php?productid=1797
*$150x2, but dealers will let their floor models go a lot cheaper....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=5875451332

ighettoboyi
03-08-2006, 11:02 PM
were the ones you listened to active? most places that carry pro audio equipment only have active setups....

joetama
03-08-2006, 11:09 PM
I have heard active and passive, usually the active do sound better because of the processing that compensates for the weaknesses in the speaker design. But, for active you are looking at a lot more money. The only "studio monitor" mini-monitors I have heard that I really liked were the higher end JBL and the ADAM audio, but you are looking at 2k or more for one of these setups....

qwerty778
03-08-2006, 11:33 PM
Paradigm Atom's or Titan's - the most accurate speakers for ~ $200.

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmProduct.html

Beat_Dominator
03-09-2006, 05:48 PM
Paradigm Atom's or Titan's - the most accurate speakers for ~ $200.

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmProduct.html


x2, Those Atoms are a smokin' deal. :yumyum:

qwerty778
03-09-2006, 10:50 PM
x2, Those Atoms are a smokin' deal. :yumyum:
Yep, I think the Atom's are the most accurate speaker at this price point.:bowdown:

joetama
03-10-2006, 12:44 AM
Never heard them but from their specs they look pretty good, and I'll take your word on it....

ighettoboyi
03-10-2006, 12:59 AM
well, i've been narrowing the choices down...

i'm going to visit a PSB dealer who has a pair of alpha b's in a two channel setup with 100W each (basically what i'm gonna do) this saturday... depending on my schedule i may or may not visit another dealer who sells Yorkville (i'm interested in the YSM1i which is the same price as the alpha b's)...

there is a paradigm dealer near me so i may give those titans a listen.

and if i feel like being a stingy bastard, i'll just take the cheap route and go with some KRK ST6s or samson RESOLV65's (both 200 a pair)... i nearly bought the st6s from guitar center yesterday because i'm sick of all this anticipation and waiting

brandontw
03-10-2006, 02:03 PM
i vote for paradigm as well, they make some killer stuff, my dad has some wall speakers from them and they rock...

brandontw
03-10-2006, 02:07 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/PARADIGM-TITAN-SET-LIKE-NEW-BLACK_W0QQitemZ5877292526QQcategoryZ14991QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

you might want to bid on these..you might just get a good deal...

PV Audio
03-12-2006, 02:34 AM
Judging by looks alone, I always find that the subtlest and simplest speakers sound the best. Reason being, you are paying for what is inside, not for what looks good on the outside. You can see this clearly in the realm of "audiophile" speakers that cost in the 10s of thousands that look remarkable, but still have noticeable flaws since you wind up paying for aesthetics instead of performance. Just my .02.

ighettoboyi
03-12-2006, 02:03 PM
i've never openly said it but that's also a common guideline i adhere to at times..

in this particular case i think the yorkville's might win out...

ighettoboyi
03-12-2006, 02:24 PM
oh yea the only reason why i'm keeping this thread going is because the paradigm and yorkville dealers near me don't even have the atoms/titans or ysm1i's set up to listen to... so now i have to basically make a blind choice... might as well roll a die if you ask me... based on some subjective reasons, psb and yorkville are in my top two, followed closely by the titans...

joetama
03-12-2006, 05:53 PM
Yorkville stuff is usually pretty good, good presence in the vocals and high end. Might get a little flakey in the mids but not bad by any means, and low performace is typical of that range and size of speakers. I've also used their larger powered cabinates for dime store use and sound reinforcement and they are pretty **** good. I can't say anything about the others because I've never heard them...

PV Audio
03-12-2006, 07:09 PM
i've never openly said it but that's also a common guideline i adhere to at times..

in this particular case i think the yorkville's might win out...
Naturally. It only applies here because he has a lower budget and wants all the performance possible. The bigger performance names are usually simple when it comes to budget sound (Paradigm, Athena, Definitive Tech., Klipsch) because they don't need looks to sell the product; the company's heritage sells itself.

qwerty778
03-13-2006, 11:51 PM
I know audiophiles (who have worked for speakers companies themselves like JBL) who say Paradigm are the absolute best for the money. But sound is still a preference so let your ears decide. It will be tough to make a decision w/o first hearing them.

foreman
03-14-2006, 01:51 AM
How about the Ed Frais based DIY kit? Just a bit deeper into the wallet, but i owned a pair and with the new x-over improvements they are an outstanding value.....

Scoobydoo
03-19-2006, 04:30 AM
another vote for Paradigm from me

I run Paradigm Atoms, CC-170 and ADP-70's with a Denon 2802 receiver and I have been happy with it for years and am not even thinking of switching any time soon

They go pretty low for such small speakers, but they do need a sub(or two) to help them out

eisenhower
03-19-2006, 12:07 PM
The paradigm atoms are nice, but the av123 x-ls series bookshelves are much better in build and sound for 200 a pair. The website seems to be down ( www.av123.com ) but check them out if its up.

qwerty778
03-20-2006, 12:23 AM
The paradigm atoms are nice, but the av123 x-ls series bookshelves are much better in build and sound for 200 a pair. The website seems to be down ( www.av123.com ) but check them out if its up.
These look good too. Nice suggestion.

ighettoboyi
03-20-2006, 10:26 PM
The paradigm atoms are nice, but the av123 x-ls series bookshelves are much better in build and sound for 200 a pair. The website seems to be down ( www.av123.com ) but check them out if its up.

dang, those look pretty dang sweet too! you guys are making this decision-making tough! i've decided to remove the yorkvlle and paradigms from consideration. up until now, i was leaning towards the PSB alpha b's .. or if i wanted to cough up another hundred dollars, the 170s from ascend audio. in all honesty though, i can't really afford the ascend's so the x-ls is looking super sweet now. what a tough call! psb or x-ls :crazy:

the av123 x-ls' appear to be freakin heavy... heavy is good in my book :naughty: