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thylantyr
01-19-2006, 01:37 AM
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=597419

:hide: :waycrazy: :hilariou:

This is why you folks need to enhance your woodworking skills even though
equipment purchasing eats into your stereo budget. Over time your skills
improve and you can make a great system for only 5% of that budget
and a really nice system for 2.5% of that budget.

LoudCrownVic
01-19-2006, 01:38 AM
repost of a reposted repost on another forum... But neat nonetheless

JimJ
01-19-2006, 01:39 AM
$181k isn't the most I've seen :)

BoominBeast
01-19-2006, 01:45 AM
hahaha...

u folks obviously dont know who MERIDIAN audio is....

brandontw
01-19-2006, 02:40 AM
hahaha...

u folks obviously dont know who MERIDIAN audio is....why dont you inform us?

theCybe
01-19-2006, 02:57 AM
there were incredible setups on audiogon.
$56,000 interconnects.

thylantyr
01-19-2006, 03:53 AM
Some things just can't be posted on that forum.... My response to his post .. here only ...

snip... from link.

Yesterday afternoon, I went to an audition of the latest and greatest "flagship" McIntosh audio system. Although it was *just* a stereo system, it consisted of:

The XRT2K Speaker System. These speakers stand over 7 feet tall and contain 110 drivers on each side of the stereo pair; six 12" woofers, sixty-four 2" mid's and forty, 3/4" tweeters.


XRT2K is an improvement over their older stuff, but not really a design
amazement. Look at the low sensitivity rating of that speaker -- lol


MC2KW Tri-Chassis Amps. Each channel consisted of an output module and two 1,000 watt power modules, combined to supply 2,000 watts per channel. The dealer had to have an electrician come in and run five new dedicated circuits just to supply power to these babies.)


Nice amp but is it worth paying $30k MSRP each ? What's the big deal with 2000w/ch ?
You can get proamps for less with more power at a fraction of the cost.


C1000 Tri-chassis Vacuum Tube/Solid State pre-amp .
MDA1000 D/A Converter
MCD1000 CD transport


More expensive stuff not needed.


It was phenomenal! I've never heard *anything* even remotely close. On some music, it sounded better than any live concert I've ever attended.


Line array's plus high power give you this impression.


The sound was open and "airy" like nothing I've ever experienced in a music playback system. I went with a friend, (who is also a member of this forum) and we were both struck by the size of the soundstage, the pinpoint accuracy of the imaging and the "attack" of sounds like plucked strings and percussion.


My cheap NSB array does the same thing...


And then there was the bass, aahhh..., the bass! In an oddly shaped room, with no acoustic treatment and no EQ or room compensation, the bass was the tightest, cleanest and smoothest I've ever experienced.


I don't have a bass array, but I can build one using $20 Dayton woofers
that would give this type of response.


Nonetheless, every bass note was distinct and clear, with zero distortion.


Line arrays have low distortion.


The soundstage was very wide and very tall, but lacked a little in depth.


Typical response from any line array audition. Depth can be added by using
a digital delay on one channel.


However, that could have been affected by the room they were in, (a large open room with glass windows just 2 feet behind the listeners). The imaging was really good almost anywhere in the room. However, when you found the "sweet spot" the imaging became breathtaking. The sweet spot wasn't very big, (it was right at the equilateral triangle formed by the speakers and the listener), but once you heard the imaging from that spot, the system was a revalation. Voices and instruments hung in space in a way that was totally believable and realistic.


More line array boner stuff.


Voices had startling realism, with no chestiness or nasaliness. On recordings of "live" music, voices took on the large soundstage of amplified reproduction. With "studio" recordings, voices had the pinpoint imaging that made you feel like the singer was standing right in front of you. However, occasionally, some voices sounded overly "big," like the singer's mouth was 5 feet wide and 10 feet tall.


Again, line arrays do this.


This must have been the recording because not all voices sounded that way. I guess these speakers are just so accurate that they are going to portray every recording exactly as it was recorded.


Any line array will do this.


The struck keys of a well-tuned piano...
Nora Jones belting out "Come Away With Me..."
Drumsticks tapping a symbol...
Brushes on a snare drum...
Buddy Guy's fingers plucking his guitar strings...
The "kick" of a bass drum...
Diana Krall's voice...
The breath of an unknown (to me) flutist on an unrecognized (by me) "New Age" selection...


Stuff my NSB array can do.


I heard things with a clarity and depth that I've never experienced before in recorded music reproduction. The clean dynamic range, the sheer, distortion-free volume, and the effortless stereo imaging were head and shoulders above anything I've heard before.


More line array boner stuff.


Summary
The real magic he heard was caused by the speaker and lots of power, not the sources,
and even in an untreated room, you can get that reaction. I can replace all those sources
with cheap stuff and use low cost proamps and he'd never know.

$181k for that. I can do something similar for $2k DIY plus $1k for amps, $250 for
crossover, and $125 for the source. Ideally, a nice preamp would be cool,
but not mandatory. I can probably mimimick his experience more accurately with another
$1k to the budget.

Never reveal DIY to these people, they will never believe that someone
can recreate that experience by only spending less then $5K ... DIY style...

JimJ
01-19-2006, 03:34 PM
Thy, usually I agree perfectly with you, but $125 for a source with $2k in speakers seems a little off :D

theCybe
01-19-2006, 03:48 PM
Digital is digital, right? :)

I think it's a statement.

DZNUTTS
01-19-2006, 03:53 PM
what the @#$%. $181,000

joetama
01-19-2006, 05:01 PM
That's it i'm going to rob a band tonight....

thylantyr
01-19-2006, 05:45 PM
Thy, usually I agree perfectly with you, but $125 for a source with $2k in speakers seems a little off :D

To clarify, I was referring to the cd player using that term loosely, could be sacd,
dvda, etc.... This source, then drives the next signal processor or preamp or
pehaps the amplifier directly if it has a volume control.

This source doesn't have to be expensive as technology has come along
way, it's not the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's... Integrated circuits have taken
the place of discretes to do this job in a compact size.

You will be surprised when I tell that you Earl Geddes makes the same
claim, I believe he uses a sub $200 source to audition his high end
loudspeakers, because he believes in the same thing, source electronics are that good
today.

http://www.gedlee.com/
[He's an audio guru x 100].

The only issue that concerns me with sources is noise and if the unit has
flat frequency response, which they usually do. I don't see a need
to spend $500 on a dedicated cd player or spend more on exotic external DAC's
if a $100 universal DVD player measures well.

My source is just that, cost me $126 shipped. Plays all the formats. I have the cash
to spend $5k on a source if I thought it would help, but I choose not to go there
as it's money down the drain.

PV Audio
01-19-2006, 07:16 PM
what the @#$%. $181,000
I've seen 150-200k preamps ;)

Defconx3
01-19-2006, 07:18 PM
Only $181,000?!?

I'll take 4!! :naughty:

squeak9798
01-19-2006, 07:34 PM
I've seen 150-200k preamps ;)

Don't forget about the $350k amp..........

squeak9798
01-19-2006, 07:38 PM
That's it i'm going to rob a band tonight....

From what genre of music ?

Ayrton
01-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Well it is McIntosh and I am sure that was full list on the prices. Still $181k is just silly, but if people will pay it (and they do), then more power to them.

Thankfully the world is full of stupid people with money.

PV Audio
01-19-2006, 07:41 PM
whoa!!

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HT forum usually isn't this popular...

Anything tube based will be very expensive. I love audiogon though; middle to late old-aged men arguing on whose $3000 power cable is the best.

OneKrazyKeebler
01-19-2006, 07:54 PM
I remember hearing somewhere that Fabio had like over 1mil in his setup

brandontw
01-19-2006, 08:20 PM
Don't forget about the $350k amp..........
or the 325,000$ speakers;)

i bet you could spend over a million on a system....

thylantyr
01-19-2006, 09:58 PM
I guess everyone missed the point of this thread... not to show off expensive
gear or to name expensive gear... rather what that guy is describing can be
had for a huge fraction of the cost ------------- if you DIY ---- evil ----

He makes it sound like you *need* to spend this cash to get ..*that* .. sound.... not
if you carry the dark lord's light saber in hand .... :laugh:

PV Audio
01-19-2006, 10:05 PM
God, Knights of the Old Republic I and II are such good games...

HeatSeeker
01-19-2006, 10:11 PM
God, Knights of the Old Republic I and II are such good games...

Even better, there's gonna be a 3 :D

PV Audio
01-19-2006, 10:35 PM
REALLY? I require a link NOW!

JimJ
01-19-2006, 11:55 PM
I guess everyone missed the point of this thread... not to show off expensive
gear or to name expensive gear... rather what that guy is describing can be
had for a huge fraction of the cost ------------- if you DIY ---- evil ----

He makes it sound like you *need* to spend this cash to get ..*that* .. sound.... not
if you carry the dark lord's light saber in hand .... :laugh:

Now that I perfectly agree with :)

I hate the automatic assumption that all vacuum tube gear is overpriced - because of that very phenomenon you described. Sure, I could spend $3k on a pair of Welborne Labs monoblocks or some other "audiophile approved" brand name that advertises in Stereophool or TAS. But why, when I could buy a kit from Bottlehead or Decware and build it myself for a tiny fraction of that, or scratch-build something for even less? Doesn't make sense, unless he gets part of his e-***** from the name and/or is too lazy to DIY.

A single-ended 2A3 amp, if the same transformers and components are used, is going to sound just like any other 2A3 amp that uses those same parts; I'd rather not have the name and have the cash in my wallet :)

PV Audio
01-19-2006, 11:59 PM
*Looks at Tulip's avatar*

Yep, no audiophile stuff for you!

:D

Eugenics
01-20-2006, 02:23 AM
not impressed. and yes, fabio has been known to drop crazy amounts on stereo's