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negativezeroz
12-24-2005, 05:14 PM
This is for my first ever RE product. The sub is a little SE10. I can't open it til tomorrow morning so getting this done tonight. I have to leave for work in 15minutes though so will be up tonight finishing. Don't have carpet but will carpet next week.

My first time calculating and designing a ported enclosure. I have already learned to check dimensions a gahtrillbillion times. It will be 1.5cf tuned to ~28Hz with 21sq in of port area.

There a some little gaps ( seen in first pic) but I have some caulking to do to fix that ;)
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/6788/img02662by.th.jpg (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02662by.jpg)http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3825/img02679vy.th.jpg (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02679vy.jpg)
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/9729/img02684lc.th.jpg (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02684lc.jpg)

UPDATE: More pics at bottom of this page
UPDATE #2: Pics on second page

chinny
12-24-2005, 05:42 PM
looks hot man

saywhat?
12-24-2005, 05:44 PM
should do well, what did you use to make your cuts? what straight edge mean.

MikeyB
12-24-2005, 06:16 PM
Lookin good!!! ;)

trevor87
12-24-2005, 06:20 PM
post up finished product pics too man with sub/carpet good lookin box goin on there

negativezeroz
12-24-2005, 08:27 PM
should do well, what did you use to make your cuts? what straight edge mean.

Actually, I completely free-handed all the cuts with a circular saw. Some of the pieces were like 1/8" off so I just sanded them down. I need a table saw.

My work let me leave early (worked 2hrs) so after dinner gonna go finish gluing the port. Pics will come tonight.

THUNDERBIRD
12-24-2005, 08:31 PM
looks good. free handing with a circular saw is tricky, i can do it really good with my cordless kuz it is set up for leftys(which i am) i have gotten a lot better with my corded saw. get some pics up of the speaker tomorrow

negativezeroz
12-24-2005, 08:32 PM
I will post the SE in the morning before it goes into the enclosure and runs off my 601.1 :)

PRIVATEpastry
12-24-2005, 08:54 PM
Any reason why you didn't use screws?

saywhat?
12-24-2005, 09:13 PM
screws are just used for holding it together while the glue dries. With a properly built enclosure, you can remove them and have the same exact strength. I choose to use brad nails on mine from now on.

negativezeroz
12-24-2005, 10:02 PM
Well I planned on putting some screws in once glue is dry. Just for extra strength even though the glue is stronger than the MDF.

How long do I need to wait for the caulk to dry or whatever before I drop the SE in?

PhatTonyDeMarco
12-24-2005, 10:09 PM
Looking good man, nice job.




And the caulk should be ok in a half hour or so.

johnecon2001
12-24-2005, 10:37 PM
mmm caulk

MikeyB
12-24-2005, 11:01 PM
I glue it, brad nail it to hold it til the glue dries, then just for the hell of it I screw it to pull the wood as tight as it can and throw in a few more nails. The box I am making is like concrete, its never gonna fall apart. :yumyum:

negativezeroz
12-24-2005, 11:13 PM
More pics of my slow progress.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/1111/img02698xb.th.jpg (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02698xb.jpg)http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5930/img02701pc.th.jpg (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02701pc.jpg)
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/14/img02716ie.th.jpg (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02716ie.jpg)

saywhat?
12-24-2005, 11:18 PM
thats one mighty long port lol. 40+ inches?

skmfkr
12-24-2005, 11:18 PM
yaya for posted port area, box vol, and tuning cuz i was like gd thats a long *** port

negativezeroz
12-24-2005, 11:19 PM
hehe ~48" long

PRIVATEpastry
12-24-2005, 11:19 PM
Screws are much cheaper than vices, though.

...And much easier.

negativezeroz
12-24-2005, 11:20 PM
lol yes I need the corner ones...easier than the ghey ones I have...I have 2" wood screws going in once glue is dry...I just didnt use any screws at first like I could have...learning process of building enclosures :)

SAG3
12-25-2005, 02:27 AM
the whole point of putting in screws is to hold the wood together till the glue dries so you dont have to use clamps.

negativezeroz
12-25-2005, 02:23 PM
Just have to screw the top on and then mount the SE. :D :veryhapp:
http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/9492/img02807fs.th.jpg (http://img320.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02807fs.jpg)http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/6805/img02819zl.th.jpg (http://img320.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02819zl.jpg)http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/554/img02822lp.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02822lp.jpg)
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/3037/img02833ds.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02833ds.jpg)http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/526/img02847dk.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02847dk.jpg)http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/355/img02853um.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02853um.jpg)

Nukedsodapop
12-25-2005, 02:29 PM
nice max, I cant wait to hear it

oh yea you can listen to mine too if you must

lol

-Blake

negativezeroz
12-25-2005, 02:33 PM
Yes I MUST. (2) 18 SX's. :yumyum:

negativezeroz
12-25-2005, 06:06 PM
bump...waiting for last of caulking to dry then away she goes into my car :)

negativezeroz
12-25-2005, 07:25 PM
Well all I can say is I want to make love to my SE. Had it on for about two minutes barely playing and ****. Clean clean clean. Love it. I <3 RE now. It's getting 580W off my 601.1

MikeyB
12-26-2005, 10:29 AM
Glad your happy with it! :crazy:

PV Audio
12-26-2005, 04:45 PM
whoever said they add screws after the glue dries has it backwards.

PV Audio
12-27-2005, 12:33 AM
So what your saying is that if he had used screws in the enclosure then glued everything together, and then once the glue dries to remove the screws???? That's the most stupidest thing I've ever heard. I never use wood glue at all when building my enclosures....and yes I use caulking. Using brad nails is fine....but I think this sorta topic has been argued more than several times. I much prefer to use 1.625" long drywall screws on every single box that I have built. Screws is what holds the pieces of the "box" together...
you are probably the stupidest person that i've ever heard speak, and that's coming from lemans.

saywhat?
12-27-2005, 12:39 AM
So what your saying is that if he had used screws in the enclosure then glued everything together, and then once the glue dries to remove the screws???? That's the most stupidest thing I've ever heard. I never use wood glue at all when building my enclosures....and yes I use caulking. Using brad nails is fine....but I think this sorta topic has been argued more than several times. I much prefer to use 1.625" long drywall screws on every single box that I have built. Screws is what holds the pieces of the "box" together...



i say this as nicely and as respecfully as someone can..........your a fvcking dumba$$. now before you come back with "you dont know anything about building boxes" please.....read what i have to say. after building a few with JUST screws in my beginning days, and then using glues AND screws as of late.........you will NEVER have a box as strong as a glued up box. the screws are clamps, only for as long as the glue is drying. then by all means YOU CAN TAKE THEM OUT. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! Moe only uses glue on his boxes, nothing else........but let me guess.....he has NO CLUE what hes doing.correct?

PRIVATEpastry
12-27-2005, 02:46 PM
So what your saying is that if he had used screws in the enclosure then glued everything together, and then once the glue dries to remove the screws???? That's the most stupidest thing I've ever heard. I never use wood glue at all when building my enclosures....and yes I use caulking. Using brad nails is fine....but I think this sorta topic has been argued more than several times. I much prefer to use 1.625" long drywall screws on every single box that I have built. Screws is what holds the pieces of the "box" together...
Douche! :laugh:

PV Audio
12-27-2005, 02:55 PM
he doesn't understand how it works at all...

swimfreak26
12-27-2005, 02:56 PM
i say this as nicely and as respecfully as someone can..........your a fvcking dumba$$. now before you come back with "you dont know anything about building boxes" please.....read what i have to say. after building a few with JUST screws in my beginning days, and then using glues AND screws as of late.........you will NEVER have a box as strong as a glued up box. the screws are clamps, only for as long as the glue is drying. then by all means YOU CAN TAKE THEM OUT. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! Moe only uses glue on his boxes, nothing else........but let me guess.....he has NO CLUE what hes doing.correct?

True words. Wood glue, and read that carefully - WOOD glue - forms a chemical bond that is stronger than the wood itself. Essentially you'll break the wood before the joint so screws are completely unnecessary if you've got the means (clamps) to hold it together while glue dries.

PV Audio
12-27-2005, 02:59 PM
^^ indeed, people who use construction adhesive think their glue bonds are strong, but they are only physical bonds.

80INCHES
12-27-2005, 11:20 PM
nice box.....i'm sure it wangs and sound good

80

PV Audio
12-27-2005, 11:26 PM
I gotta quit coming to this forum....I've built many many boxes in the past and never once used any wood glue at all yet I've yet to have a box get destroyed because I build them well. I know glue is stronger but removing screws after the glue is dried is even stupider.....why bother???? Leave the screws in....why create more work than intended??? I know carpenters will say the same exact thing you guys are....and then some. BUT....I tend to be a little different in my case, but does that mean I'm stupid, Lemans....as you pointed out??? NO. You can view my boxes I made in my link below or as to see some and I'll gladly post some up. What I use for caulking tho is liquid nails. I won't use another caulking out there. This **** is strong....even taking all the scres out of a box this stuff tears the MDF apart. Am I really stupid?? No....I'm not just because you guys use wood glue and no screws OR brad nails doesn't necessarily mean that I gotta also. I use what works for me and that's all that matters.
no you don't understand the point of why people are saying you are stupid. saywhat is saying that you CAN remove the screws if you want to, not you should. the glue is what bonds them together, not the screws at all. sure, screws might add some structural support, but they aren't doing anything like a true wood glue would. you are getting mad about the wrong thing my friend. i also wouldn't be so aggravated when people try and correct you, especially people that do it many times a week ;) .

and yes, i could call you even stupider after saying you use liquid nails for caulk as most glues say on the bottle: not to be used as a sealant, and most sealants say: not to be used as an adhesive.

80INCHES
12-27-2005, 11:29 PM
as a former box builder now designer..i agree

80

PV Audio
12-28-2005, 06:50 PM
Who says I'm getting mad?!?! I know what your saying, you may think I don't but I do. Your the one missing my point as to why just leave the screws where their at instead of removing them makes no sense to me.

As for the caulking: I've used liquid nails for years. Like I said before, I use what works for me....and liquid nails does it's job. It also says Construction use right on the bottle....tell me what other use it has??

And as for me being stupid: There's other people stupider in this world than me.
i'm not missing the point at all, you just don't choose to see it. you CAN remove the screws if you want to. i personally do not because as i said it isn't NECESSARY, but if you do, it won't affect the integrity of the enclosure too much at all. screws are just mini clamps, that's it. construction use anything is obviously not used as a specialized product. it is not a wood glue by any means, it doesn't create a chemical bond. it is not meant to be used as a sealant either, that's why they make silicone sealants. you don't use glue to seal the box.

954runner
12-28-2005, 07:30 PM
geez... chill out guys... if everyone is happy with the way they build their own boxes, then let it be. let it be. let it be. :)

PV Audio
12-28-2005, 08:28 PM
I can't do anything but laugh at your reply. I totally understand what you and others' are saying. I said it before already in the first reply about removing the screws....and yes it isn't necessary to remove them, DUH! but rather by choice...another DUH! You may think I don't see your point or choose, as you call it, to see your point. I choose to look at HOW I build my own boxes, as well as for others. I've yet to have one person come up to me and tell me to rebuild it because the box busted or broke somehow or another. I don't think I need a 16 yr old telling me the difference between caulking and sealants....dude, im way older than you. I choose...CHOOSE to use liquid nails as a caulking because of its effectiveness....not because its not required!!! Silicone sealant is more expensive and dries a longass time than liquid nails....trust me, I've been using liquid nails for years....AGAIN, I use what works. Period. YOU Lemans, just don't wanna accept the fact that this is how I build my boxes, and perhaps some other people that build them this way on here as well. Well that's fine. Each to their own. Like I said before, I use what works for me. As 954runner states, if everyone is happy with the way they build their own boxes, then let it be. I totally agree on this one. End of arguement.
i really couldn't care less how you build your boxes, my entire motive is that when you are trying to get people to buy your enclosures and say wood glue is a joke and screws are what holds the enclosure together, that makes me second guess myself. that's all.

and as for the bolded part, age has no bearing on what is true, and i do know that screws don't hold the enclosure together ;)

negativezeroz
01-04-2006, 07:59 PM
havent carpeted yet and would have better install pics but my friends the one who took the pic last night and my computer is fudged so cant reinstall my camera utility until i fix it..

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6824/annaandmax0017ke.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=annaandmax0017ke.jpg)

theCybe
01-04-2006, 09:56 PM
The SE is a great sub from my experience. I think the lighter moving mass (as in the 15, anyway) plays a big part.)

Nukedsodapop
02-04-2006, 11:06 PM
Pretty loud!

Sounds great too, good job max

-Blake

negativezeroz
02-05-2006, 07:28 PM
Thanks. Your's is pretty **** loud too. I like it. Now just get the other one in and get 4awg for God's sake. Lol. (idnk why you bumped this kinda old blake)

The SE is a good sub. Just not loud enough for me.