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thylantyr
12-07-2005, 07:00 PM
Who knows a thing about electric guitar? I need to buy one
for a Christmas gift for a beginner.

I'm thinking one of these two.

FenderŪ Standard Stratocaster Electric Guitar
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...ase_pid/510000/

FenderŪ Standard Fat Strat Electric Guitar [Humbucker]
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7...ase_pid/511002/

The person playing might be interested in death metal
type of music, which would be best?

[note: the person learning is more clueless than me on
guitars, so I can't ask them to pick ... hehehe]

Beat_Dominator
12-07-2005, 07:06 PM
From what I've heard the only thing you need to watch out for are the non-U.S. made strats. I guess Fender has outsourced to an Asain country and they don't sound as good.

thylantyr
12-07-2005, 07:10 PM
I just finished researching this. The Standard Stratocaster is made in Mexico, $369 price and up. The American Stratocater is made in .... America... $800+ and up. Better quality control and parts, but you pay up the
wazu for it.

I'm more interested in knowing if the humbucker version is best for metal music?

InhumanAcura
12-07-2005, 07:15 PM
just get a squire (sp?) strat for a beginner man.

liar2
12-07-2005, 07:17 PM
From experienced guitarists, I've been told Fender is not the way to go. I would think an Ibanez RG series would be a good way to go for metal music. I think Fender just has a name that many people know which allows for people to think they're quality.

I'd also think it would be wise to let the person feel the guitar. If it doesn't have a nice feel for the person (every person is different), then it would be hard to adapt.

thylantyr
12-08-2005, 02:55 AM
I really like the looks of this Ibanez RG370

http://www.ibanez.com/guitars/guitar.asp?model=RG370DX

liar2
12-08-2005, 04:00 AM
http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=25280

That guitar is a bit more expensive than you're probably looking at spending. Quality isn't cheap. I would also probably recommend seeing what people say here (http://www.musicgearreview.com/category/Electric_Guitars). I used their remarks when choosing my drumset and I am quite happy with my purchase.

thylantyr
12-08-2005, 04:10 AM
Here is my list of candidates;

Fender standard FAT strat
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/search/detail/base_pid/511002/

Ibanez RG370DX Electric Guitar
http://www.zzounds.com/item--IBARG370DX/view--Black

Ibanez S470 Electric Guitar
http://www.zzounds.com/item--IBAS470

ESP LTD KH-202 Kirk Hammett Signature Electric Guitar
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/product/reviews/base_pid=516639/rpp=10/

Jackson DK2 Dinky Electric Guitar
http://www.zzounds.com/item--JAC2901000/view--Black

ramos
12-08-2005, 11:51 AM
I have several strats, very nice guitars. Love them to death. But my musical taste lean towards the blues. Out of your choices for a beginner looking to play metal. I would say my vote goes to either of the ibanez . They tend to have the common "heavy metal" sound to them. Second choice being the jackson :)

ramos
12-08-2005, 11:56 AM
Might also want to take a look at this epiphone ( made by gibson ) sg. Very well built guitar for the money. :)

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/search/detail/base_pid/518280/

thylantyr
12-08-2005, 01:40 PM
In order for those guitars to produce good sound, how many six packs of beer is
needed ?

ballstothewall
12-08-2005, 02:43 PM
In order for those guitars to produce good sound, how many six packs of beer is
needed ?

That part is completly dependent on the user, if in doubt, get a few more... :laugh:

ramos
12-08-2005, 03:47 PM
^^^^ tis true :) In the right hands all of them can sound good. :)

ramos
12-08-2005, 03:52 PM
In order for those guitars to produce good sound, how many six packs of beer is
needed ?


You mean the sg, or all in general ? I'm partial to the Fender stratocaster & Gibson Les Paul myself. But your choices are all great sounding guitars. Granted their are better sounding to be had, but not many for the price, without hitting up every pawn shop between me and you :)

liar2
12-09-2005, 05:05 PM
you make a decision yet?

thylantyr
12-09-2005, 06:42 PM
Lots of good guitars on the market, but they all have one thing in common..
people seem to replace stock pickups with better ones. EMG active pickups
seem popular and people are modding the guitars with them. Seems like
if you buy an already equipped guitar with EMG you pay a high price because
the guitar as a whole can be of better quality, but not always. Or buy a lower
grade guitar and do upgrades later as needed.

so.... take a reasonable good guitar and install the hardware upgrades as you
see fit ... Of those guitars I listed, the RG370DX seems to get really good reviews
because the new model {2005} has new pickups that are better than the older
models and people think it gives EMG a run for the money, but I believe these
are passive pickups and the EMG active may still be preferred if you are skilled
in playing.

So.. rather than buying a $450 - $550 guitar with good pickups that people
seem to upgrade later, or spending $1000 with real EMG actives, I might just
get the cheaper $360 RG370DX to get by for a while and if there is a need for
upgrading, then that is cool too and there is money saved.

I'm not sure about the tremelo guitars over the fixed bridge... fixed seems
easier to tune on a per string basis where the floating bridge requires more drama
as each string needs to be dialed in. I'm not sure if the novice is better off getting
the fixed bridge over tremelo for ease of learning? .. or do you 'jump in the fire'
and deal with it....

Amps: Going to get the Line6 Spider II 112 combo mainly because it has
already built-in effects to reduce the clutter of having extra gear.... For a
noob it should be good .. For the advance player, they want more specific
gear..

liar2
12-09-2005, 08:44 PM
Go for the Ibanez. They do make very nice guitars. And the RG series is definitely the series for metal music if that's what he's interested in playing.

ramos
12-12-2005, 09:58 AM
Pickup choices have allot to do with type of music ( specific sound charactaristics) your after as well. I have several friends who have opted for the cheaper copies of the strats and such. Then bought fender lace sensors, texas specials, or some of the high end duncan pickups, to replace the crappy pickups they come with. I would say you have made a good choice for a beginer looking to play metal. As for the tremolo if it's equipped with, simply don't attach the tremolo arm. No biggy most are threaded :)

Ignatowski
12-12-2005, 10:08 AM
excuse me while I kiss the sky

UndercoverPunk
12-12-2005, 10:12 AM
My Mexican't Squire Fat Strat is a pretty good guitar, the frets are a little small for my taste, but I never ended up getting a new neck before I stopped playing. The stock pick-ups were OK, but I replaced them with the AH's from my Iceman when I put EMGs in that one.

I also replace the tuners, the origional ones were cheap.

Really the cheap strats are good for a beginner... I've upgraded mine so many times there's hardly and stock parts left.

thylantyr
12-12-2005, 12:30 PM
Looking at this one too.

Jackson DKMG Dinky {black}
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/search/detail/base_pid/511496?src=00631

and...

ESP LTD Viper 400
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/search/detail/base_pid/516660/

ramos
12-12-2005, 12:54 PM
Looking at this one too.

Jackson DKMG Dinky {black}
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/search/detail/base_pid/511496?src=00631

and...

ESP LTD Viper 400
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/search/detail/base_pid/516660/



D@mn that jackson looks pretty ****. :)

eisenhower
12-12-2005, 06:06 PM
Go to this website http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/#man
thank me later.

BTW strats are a no no for metal, maple fret boards and weak pick ups sound like crap for any sort of high distortion. and dont let anyone tell you tone in the fingers because its really not at all.
Plus the quality on lower line fenders is complete crap, dont buy fender stuff because its "fender" buy stuff because its good, which would probally mean digging a little deeper than you think.

thylantyr
12-12-2005, 07:26 PM
Made the decision, placed the order....

... drum roll ....

Jackson DK2 Dinky Electric Guitar
http://www.zzounds.com/item--JAC2901000

For some reason, ZZsounds has it for $427, but other music sites are charging
$479, walk in store price here is $519. Only 2 left so I snagged one....

Reasons for choosing this one [random order];

1. I checked out Jackson DK2 in the store, it feels good even though I'm clueless about guitars. After researching this for a week and getting help from my friend
who showed me some things to look for, this guitar is pretty good for the buck.

2. Made in Japan.. Nothing really wrong with made in Mexico {Standard Fender}
or made in Korea {ESP, Ibanez, etc} and made in USA will cost you over $1000,
but made in Japan seems to have more consistent quality control, hence you pay
a we-bit more...

3. Three pickups for versatility, probably better for a n00b. The two pickup
design is cool but everyone thinks it's limited. I like the RG370DX because you
do have three pickups to mess with even though you may not use it.

4. Ibanez RG370DX is very cool for $370, but for $427 the Jackson feel is better
and the person using it has small hands.

I like the Jackson DKMG but the inlays are probably not n00b friendly and the
standard dual EMG passive pickups are cool, but everyone says that particular
guitar is not as versatile and eventually they replace those pickups with actives.
Also the 20dB preamp is 9V battery powered and nobody seems to like it as they
prefer a real active pickup setup. DKMG seems more like an intermediate guitar
so I scaled back to the DK2.

I was also looking at the action on the Gibson SG, pretty sweet, but this beast
cost over $1k.


P.S. Fender bought out Jackson {recently?} .. /doh

Ignatowski
12-12-2005, 07:27 PM
Fender SRV model!
that aughtta do the trick!

http://www.stevieray.com/images/art/srvstratbest.jpg

eisenhower
12-12-2005, 08:32 PM
Made the decision, placed the order....

... drum roll ....

Jackson DK2 Dinky Electric Guitar
http://www.zzounds.com/item--JAC2901000

For some reason, ZZsounds has it for $427, but other music sites are charging
$479, walk in store price here is $519. Only 2 left so I snagged one....

Reasons for choosing this one [random order];

1. I checked out Jackson DK2 in the store, it feels good even though I'm clueless about guitars. After researching this for a week and getting help from my friend
who showed me some things to look for, this guitar is pretty good for the buck.

2. Made in Japan.. Nothing really wrong with made in Mexico {Standard Fender}
or made in Korea {ESP, Ibanez, etc} and made in USA will cost you over $1000,
but made in Japan seems to have more consistent quality control, hence you pay
a we-bit more...

3. Three pickups for versatility, probably better for a n00b. The two pickup
design is cool but everyone thinks it's limited. I like the RG370DX because you
do have three pickups to mess with even though you may not use it.

4. Ibanez RG370DX is very cool for $370, but for $427 the Jackson feel is better
and the person using it has small hands.

I like the Jackson DKMG but the inlays are probably not n00b friendly and the
standard dual EMG passive pickups are cool, but everyone says that particular
guitar is not as versatile and eventually they replace those pickups with actives.
Also the 20dB preamp is 9V battery powered and nobody seems to like it as they
prefer a real active pickup setup. DKMG seems more like an intermediate guitar
so I scaled back to the DK2.

I was also looking at the action on the Gibson SG, pretty sweet, but this beast
cost over $1k.


P.S. Fender bought out Jackson {recently?} .. /doh

Nice choice, jackson is good stuff, much different than a strat though (flat radius fret board). Just to let you know, that floyd rose bridge is gonna be *****. good luck. I have one on my ibanez prestige 2120x and its a pain in the ***, but it will stay tune if you set it up right.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/ <- please check that site out, its got thousands of user reviews on many different guitars.

BTW about putting in active pickups (EMGs of course), If your only doing metal, then their a good choice, I have an 81/85 combo on my cheapo ibanez, but for other types of music they sound sterile and bland. Look at some passives as well, they can put out just as much output as the actives and dont need a battery.

thylantyr
12-13-2005, 02:48 AM
The easy part is making a choice and/or doing mods.

The hard part is being a musician :laugh:

ramos
12-13-2005, 03:26 PM
Fender SRV model!
that aughtta do the trick!

http://www.stevieray.com/images/art/srvstratbest.jpg


I have an earlier SRV Texas special ;) Tis' very ****, to me it epitomizes what Texas blues sounds like. :)

ramos
12-13-2005, 03:27 PM
Good choice with the jackson. :)