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Randy Savage
10-25-2005, 07:11 PM
Anyone have experience with the ID CS1.6 comp set?

This is the set with the CD1E v2 horns, CS1.X X-over, and CX 6.5" driver...

http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/products_page.php?id=cs1&type=horn

bonesninja
10-25-2005, 07:47 PM
look pretty sweet--i'd use them.

DBfan187
10-25-2005, 09:16 PM
Anyone have experience with the ID CS1.6 comp set?

This is the set with the CD1E v2 horns, CS1.X X-over, and CX 6.5" driver...

http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/products_page.php?id=cs1&type=hornI got the horns and the xovers, you want?

Fate710
10-25-2005, 10:13 PM
the set you are looking @ is pretty much the best setup I've ever heard period! Beat out all the CDT and DLS setups I've heard.

Hey dbfan is that ur set on eBay?

DBfan187
10-25-2005, 10:14 PM
no

Randy Savage
10-25-2005, 10:27 PM
How much you want for em?

DBfan187
10-25-2005, 11:19 PM
^^^you can read that, was supposed to be a PM. lol

Randy Savage
10-25-2005, 11:21 PM
2 ohm or 4 ohm x-over?

Randy Savage
10-25-2005, 11:22 PM
Get the frick online dude.

zfactor
10-26-2005, 02:36 AM
db fan which horns are they and also how much do you want??? thanks

Randy Savage
10-26-2005, 02:40 AM
Dey be sold...:)

audiolife
10-26-2005, 05:07 AM
i ran them in 95-96 before i had the bird. couple tricks to them if the sond harsh at all (mine were 5 1/4 that i swapped out with avi speakers.you should get a stout eq too. wouldnt go over a 125 x 2 on the set

Fate710
10-26-2005, 09:43 AM
yeah snova you snagged them from me. bahstard. Oh well I found another set just no x-overs.

Randy Savage
10-26-2005, 12:00 PM
i ran them in 95-96 before i had the bird. couple tricks to them if the sond harsh at all (mine were 5 1/4 that i swapped out with avi speakers.you should get a stout eq too. wouldnt go over a 125 x 2 on the set
I've been reading about them on the ID forums...everyone seems to say the same thing- proper install, phase, x-over, and levels :)


Probably gonna match the horns with the 7" Dayton RS mids

GSteg
10-26-2005, 01:28 PM
Interesting. let me know how well that works our for you. I'm curious to see how they will match, with the horn sounding more warm while the mids are transparent. Winslow from ECA mixed his horns with a transparent driver and said the result was meh at best. lol. Then again, the problem was the difference in efficiency. I guess it's not too bad in this case since it's the cd1e we're talking about.

squeak9798
10-26-2005, 01:35 PM
Yeah.....the CD1e's aren't nearly as efficient as the other horns, which really changes the ball game some.


However, those Ref's are inefficient little beasts. You'll want give them a good bit of juice going to them to keep up with the moderately efficient CD1e's. But why only 7's? Step up, be a man and get some 8's :p:


Also, those crossovers that come with the CD1e's don't actually highpass the horns. Since the horns are piezo drivers, they have a natural lowend rolloff. The crossover only includes an EQ circuit for the horns. Just an FYI.

Randy Savage
10-26-2005, 05:21 PM
Yeah.....the CD1e's aren't nearly as efficient as the other horns, which really changes the ball game some.


However, those Ref's are inefficient little beasts. You'll want give them a good bit of juice going to them to keep up with the moderately efficient CD1e's. But why only 7's? Step up, be a man and get some 8's :p:


Also, those crossovers that come with the CD1e's don't actually highpass the horns. Since the horns are piezo drivers, they have a natural lowend rolloff. The crossover only includes an EQ circuit for the horns. Just an FYI.

Yeah...I read about that.

I'm wondering how much of a pain it would be to go active with the horns though....

I was thinking of a 3-way setup, possibly doing the 7" in the doors and maybe the Ref 5" in the kick...

DBfan187
10-26-2005, 05:27 PM
just need dual 31band EQs and a good xover.

squeak9798
10-26-2005, 05:34 PM
I was thinking of a 3-way setup, possibly doing the 7" in the doors and maybe the Ref 5" in the kick...

Typically a bad idea to go 3-way without using a very efficient midrange (such as Audax PR170M0, PHL, etc). If you use a "standard" driver, you have to cut back the horns to match efficiency.....which defeats the purpose of horns in the first place and cuts back on their dynamics and such.

Being that the CD1e's aren't as efficient as the higher end horns, it may not be as big of a problem....but those CD1e's are still pretty darn efficient compared to standard drivers.

Randy Savage
10-26-2005, 05:35 PM
Typically a bad idea to go 3-way without using a very efficient midrange (such as Audax PR170M0, PHL, etc). If you use a "standard" driver, you have to cut back the horns to match efficiency.....which defeats the purpose of horns in the first place and cuts back on their dynamics and such.

Well...can ya show me some good woof's to go with for a 2 or 3 way setup?

I'm a n00b when it comes to custom comp setups :)

DBfan187
10-26-2005, 05:35 PM
lol

What abot the RE mids and XXX mids?

GSteg
10-26-2005, 05:39 PM
I'm wondering how much of a pain it would be to go active with the horns though....



Not much pain at all. Honestly, when tuned right, you'll love them. I know I did. I had it mated with the 7" Vifa PL. I loved it so much that I stepped up to the CD3Ultra:yumyum:

GSteg
10-26-2005, 05:45 PM
just need dual 31band EQs and a good xover.

a 15 band EQ will be sufficient enough ;)

You'll probably want 31 bands on the higher-end horns, but the cd1e will do well with minimum EQ, unless you have some nasty frequency response.


The CD1e wont be mindblowing efficient off power. That's what the other compression horn does :D

7" refs in doors for midbass, and then 6" refs in kickpanels. The 6" ref has a nasty cone breakup so it's usable up to 2.0khz. But since the horns are able to get down lower than that, you'll be fine). 5" mids with horns will lose a lot of dynamics and impact because you'll have to turn down the gain on the horns to comphensate for the lack of volume coming from the 5".


1.2khz seems like a great crossoverpoint for the horns. Preferrably 2nd or 3rd order would be good enough. I know they can get down lower to say about 900hz with the full body, but then you're on the edge of straining them. Not really, but it'll just sound straining. Definitely not pleasent to the ears. That would be like crossing over a conventional tweeter at 900hz :D

Fate710
10-26-2005, 05:48 PM
wow. lot more to the setup of the horns than I figured. Oh well I like being different from most people. Just bought my horns. Now I gota find a x-over and EQ and such.

Randy Savage
10-26-2005, 11:44 PM
bumpity

audiolife
10-27-2005, 12:13 AM
what do u want to know? more than likely you will have to wire the horns out of phase they are light so backstraps are easy

squeak9798
10-27-2005, 11:09 AM
Still looking for mid ideas?

Lots of good ones out there......ID CX62, ID IDQ8's (if you can find them), Dayton Ref 7's like you mentioned, Vifa PL's are mentioned here, Seas CA18 or G18, Adire Extremis, AVI's, Beyma's (high efficiency pro-sound drivers basically), etc etc etc.

audiolife
10-27-2005, 02:40 PM
id is also coming out with 6 and 8's heard that right from eric in kc

GSteg
10-27-2005, 02:41 PM
id is also coming out with 6 and 8's heard that right from eric in kc

6s and 8s? naw..he was talking about his :eek:

audiolife
10-27-2005, 02:42 PM
nope speakers

OlogyAudio
10-27-2005, 02:50 PM
id is also coming out with 6 and 8's heard that right from eric in kc
Well if you are mentioning things that are coming... We are coming out with dvc 4 ohm 6.5s with ~13mm of xmax and 94dB/w/m efficient -- yea I do mean per watt... not 2.83V :) -- should be about 2 weeks till the preorder on that one.

The 8" will be a little longer... 4 ohm -- only 90dB/w/m efficient -- but looking at between 15-20mm of xmax -- doesn’t do as hott IB but still does fine -- you will just want to bring up the low end with some EQ... will be very **** good ported though... Magnesium cone -- should be good upto somewhere between 1.5k - 2k

Randy Savage
10-27-2005, 02:59 PM
I really just want a nice mid that will hold me over until I get a new car and from there I can really do some things with the horns.

I may just stick to the Ref's for the time being...

Johnny Drama
10-27-2005, 03:01 PM
I really just want a nice mid that will hold me over until I get a new car and from there I can really do some things with the horns.

I may just stick to the Ref's for the time being...

What size?

Randy Savage
10-27-2005, 03:02 PM
What size?

7"

Johnny Drama
10-27-2005, 03:03 PM
7"

Well...I cant help you there. I just sold the last pair or 6.5s I had. I only have 5v2 Focals left.

Randy Savage
10-27-2005, 03:05 PM
Well...I cant help you there. I just sold the last pair or 6.5s I had. I only have 5v2 Focals left.


You, sir, are a waste of life.

I would touch you inappropriately, but it's not even worth it.

audiolife
10-27-2005, 03:09 PM
id has them already just not out already tested with said product, if you wanted ID 6 or 8 i am sure they could scrape some together...they do have them as that is what comes in the set (6's originally). its kinda hard to say something on paper is the best when its not even out yet and of course if alot of those drivers are that good they would be scooped up and used rather than being used for the sake of being different. thing is you can say "XXXX" person uses something and set it up cosmetically the same but alot of the higher end set ups use gates and circuits (which ends up costing more than the equipment) to achieve the end result. xmax isnt the end all be all either if it was the idw sub wouldnt be good at all and if you asked anyone that heard one or used one they are a pretty highly loved sub winning pro street in sq 8 yrs after they arent comercially avalible anymore. /rant

GSteg
10-27-2005, 03:09 PM
I think you'll do fine with the 7".

Randy Savage
10-27-2005, 03:11 PM
I think you'll do fine with the 7".


If I don't, can I shoot hot slices of bologna at you?

GSteg
10-27-2005, 03:18 PM
No you may not. Be serious here.



I prefer ham!