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Sachmo12345
10-17-2005, 12:05 AM
I am going to get a new head unit very soon and i am stuck between these two. I have been able to take a look at the 860 and it seems to be a really good head unit. I looked at the newer 9855 but i hated the glide touch feature. This brings me to the earlier model the 9835 without the glidetouch. Now my main concern is ease of navigating through through mp3 cds. any tips would be greatly appreciated.

ngsm13
10-17-2005, 12:12 AM
There is NO comparison, 9835.

NG

Fosgate Forever
10-17-2005, 11:05 AM
im with ngs alpine blows away pioneer in every aspec get the 9835 it has great manuerablitlity i have the 9815 only differnce is the 35 has a biolite display

chadillac3
10-17-2005, 11:21 AM
9835 has stronger preouts as well.

Hybrid90accord
10-17-2005, 03:25 PM
9835 has stronger preouts as well.


the 9835 has 4 volt pre-outs the 860 has 6.5 volt pre-outs....

Sachmo12345
10-19-2005, 02:12 AM
do prevolts make a big difference i probably have very low volts with my faceplate i have now which is a Rockford Fosgate 9110

JimJ
10-19-2005, 02:13 AM
Unless you have a major noise problem, no.

chadillac3
10-19-2005, 03:03 PM
the 9835 has 4 volt pre-outs the 860 has 6.5 volt pre-outs....

I meant compared to the 9815 which didn't have the external DC-DC converter.

Decado
10-19-2005, 03:41 PM
Where do you find info about the 9835, I can't find any extensive info anywhere.

Edit: found some info. Hmm, the alpine only has a 5 band eq. Amping your speakers from the HU aside, what makes the 9835 better?

slain93gsr
10-19-2005, 03:52 PM
at www.alpine-usa.com click on products and click on product models on the top of the page is the quick search you can access info on some of the older models.. you will not be able find it if you go with view all as its their 05 lineup......

ngsm13
10-19-2005, 04:55 PM
Where do you find info about the 9835, I can't find any extensive info anywhere.

Edit: found some info. Hmm, the alpine only has a 5 band eq. Amping your speakers from the HU aside, what makes the 9835 better?

A MUCH MUCH MUCH better internal active crossover, more features, better adjustability.

NG

Decado
10-19-2005, 06:19 PM
at www.alpine-usa.com click on products and click on product models on the top of the page is the quick search you can access info on some of the older models.. you will not be able find it if you go with view all as its their 05 lineup......

Ohh, thanks man, couldnt find that.


A MUCH MUCH MUCH better internal active crossover, more features, better adjustability.

NG

So you're saying what comes out of the preouts is better quality also? And also, what frequencies are each band on the equalizer?

ngsm13
10-19-2005, 07:54 PM
Who cares about internal equalitzation...

The more important part is the internal 3-way fully active xover. Fully adjustable frequencies and slopes, up to 24 dB/oct slopes. It's so great, also the Time Correction and Bass Focus adjustments are amazing.

NG

Decado
10-19-2005, 07:59 PM
Who cares about internal equalitzation...

The more important part is the internal 3-way fully active xover. Fully adjustable frequencies and slopes, up to 24 dB/oct slopes. It's so great, also the Time Correction and Bass Focus adjustments are amazing.

NG

So...what are the frequencies in the xover then? And also, what are the frequencies in the eq, i'd still like to know.

slain93gsr
10-19-2005, 10:23 PM
x over is something like this high range speaker hpf 1khz-20khz , mid range hpf 20hz -200hz, mid range lpf 20 hz - 20 khz.....low range lpf 20hz- 200hz ...0-24db slope ...0-12 db level

Decado
10-19-2005, 11:51 PM
x over is something like this high range speaker hpf 1khz-20khz , mid range hpf 20hz -200hz, mid range lpf 20 hz - 20 khz.....low range lpf 20hz- 200hz ...0-24db slope ...0-12 db level

I guess I don't really understand what you're saying there. Will the alpine HU allow me do give about -2db to 2khz-4khz and +3 or so to 80hz through 200hz?

slain93gsr
10-19-2005, 11:57 PM
here is a link to a manual to the 9835 and 9833 .. you can look at its cross over section and see for yourself..yeah all the numbers can be confusing

http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=AlGOGKhvKU5zHcB9c48ki_xXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0MH Y4amRhBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANC VlRfNg--/SIG=14d9dqb4m/EXP=1129864375/**http%3A%2F%2Fiweb.alpine-usa.com%2Fhtml%2Fasb%2Fowner%2Fcda-9835_om.pdf%23search%3D%27alpine%2520cda%25209835% 2520manual%27

Decado
10-20-2005, 12:23 AM
here is a link to a manual to the 9835 and 9833 .. you can look at its cross over section and see for yourself..yeah all the numbers can be confusing

http://rds.yahoo.com/;_ylt=AlGOGKhvKU5zHcB9c48ki_xXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0MH Y4amRhBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNwRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANC VlRfNg--/SIG=14d9dqb4m/EXP=1129864375/**http%3A%2F%2Fiweb.alpine-usa.com%2Fhtml%2Fasb%2Fowner%2Fcda-9835_om.pdf%23search%3D%27alpine%2520cda%25209835% 2520manual%27

Alright thanks, so the crossover controls hpf and lpf, and the eq controls what frequencies to boost/slope right? And that eq looks good, I can choose what frequencies I want for each of the 5 bands am i correct?

slain93gsr
10-20-2005, 12:29 AM
Alright thanks, so the crossover controls hpf and lpf, and the eq controls what frequencies to boost/slope right? And that eq looks good, I can choose what frequencies I want for each of the 5 bands am i correct?

yes sir.. yeah and it can bandpass the mids. so the front rca is the tweets the rear rca becomes your mids and the sub rca is the same minus you cant fade it in 3 way.

Decado
10-20-2005, 02:41 AM
yes sir.. yeah and it can bandpass the mids. so the front rca is the tweets the rear rca becomes your mids and the sub rca is the same minus you cant fade it in 3 way.

I now see why this HU is so nice.

ighettoboyi
10-20-2005, 02:43 AM
i like 9835s

Decado
10-20-2005, 02:45 AM
Anyone know where you can get em other than ebay? They are all used on ebay.

Echo42987
10-20-2005, 02:45 AM
Who cares about internal equalitzation...

The more important part is the internal 3-way fully active xover. Fully adjustable frequencies and slopes, up to 24 dB/oct slopes. It's so great, also the Time Correction and Bass Focus adjustments are amazing.

NG

Totally agree...Use to have on sold it to my buddy! Best head unit ever made to man. Whish they still made them! Souldn't of ever stopped production of them. Great SQ head unit. The features are amazing and you can do so much with them. And it has have 5 volt pre-outs not 4.

Echo42987
10-20-2005, 02:46 AM
Anyone know where you can get em other than ebay? They are all used on ebay.

Probably won't, they don't make them anymore.

JimJ
10-20-2005, 02:46 AM
Just have to find a lightly used one...like what I'm trying to find :)

Decado
10-20-2005, 02:50 AM
Just have to find a lightly used one...like what I'm trying to find :)

Ouch, I hate buyin used things. Anything 2005 model that is just about the same?

JimJ
10-20-2005, 02:50 AM
Nope...unless you can live with the Glide Touch found on the 9855 and such...

Decado
10-20-2005, 02:51 AM
Nope...unless you can live with the Glide Touch found on the 9855 and such...

Glide touch?

JimJ
10-20-2005, 02:53 AM
The little white strip that replaces the standard buttons found on the 9835...

Some love it, some hate it...I fall into the latter category :)

Decado
10-20-2005, 02:56 AM
The little white strip that replaces the standard buttons found on the 9835...

Some love it, some hate it...I fall into the latter category :)

What do you do with this strip? Just slide along it and it selects w/e on the screen?

bikejunkie223
10-20-2005, 10:44 AM
The 860 has multiple crossovers, time alignment, and a 13 band eq (I think ther's 13). The real irritating part of the 860 is that in order to pause a frickin' cd you have to hit the multicontrol 3 times. There is no mute on the faceplate, so you have to find the remote. The funtions are easy to find, but a little tedious to use. I don't have any experience with the alpine so I can't comment. I had an alpine 7995 and liked it a hell of a lot better than my current cd player. I bought mine for the display, that still washes out in my car in direct sunlight, so I'll have to pay too much for a less featured Nakamichi so I can see what track is playing.

ngsm13
10-20-2005, 11:33 AM
I used a premier960...and it ****** balls compared to my 9835. The xovers were not as easy to use....doesn't give you one visual representation of the 3-way active xover. Also you could only go up to 18dB/OCT on the 960! The screen was smaller, it didn't load A LOT of my mp3 CD's, and it had a ground problem internally and the pre-outs just **** themselves.

Overall the 9835 is jut a better quality unit. Easier to use, better, MUCH better screen (BioLite owns...).

NG

slain93gsr
10-20-2005, 02:01 PM
i'll be getting another 9835 soon for my new set up....:yumyum:

Decado
10-20-2005, 06:42 PM
Glide strip...anyone? How does it work?

ngsm13
10-20-2005, 07:46 PM
Glide strip...anyone? How does it work?

***** balls.

nG

Sachmo12345
10-20-2005, 09:32 PM
well this is a tough decision i can get an 860 cheaper than the 9835 ill have to go out to the store that has it with an mp3 cd so i can check out the navigation of the cd

Decado
10-20-2005, 09:37 PM
***** balls.

nG

Lol...nice description.

JimJ
10-20-2005, 09:39 PM
It does :)

Decado
10-20-2005, 09:44 PM
It does :)

It come with a remote?

JimJ
10-20-2005, 09:45 PM
Yes...but the functions of the 9855 even using the remote don't justify it overwhelmingly over the 9835 ;)

Decado
10-20-2005, 11:47 PM
Yes...but the functions of the 9855 even using the remote don't justify it overwhelmingly over the 9835 ;)

That's too bad, guess i'll be goin with the 860.

DiamondFanatic
10-20-2005, 11:49 PM
One thing about the 860, mine started messing up on my today after about 5 months of use. If you are getting one, I would sugguest getting it from a dealer or being prepared to possibly spend some money on repairs. The problem I encountered was with my unit not ejecting cd's, and my reset button would not work.

ngsm13
10-21-2005, 12:06 AM
That's too bad, guess i'll be goin with the 860.

So we tell you that the 9835 is overwhelmingly better....and you go with the 860.

Realiability of the 860 also *****...as witnessed by the comment above.

NG

Decado
10-21-2005, 12:54 AM
So we tell you that the 9835 is overwhelmingly better....and you go with the 860.

Realiability of the 860 also *****...as witnessed by the comment above.

NG

Can't get the 9835 new :crap: .

slain93gsr
10-21-2005, 01:15 AM
does it have to be new ?

Decado
10-21-2005, 01:30 AM
does it have to be new ?

I'm just wary about used, especially off of ebay.

joeboxer5876
10-21-2005, 01:32 AM
i had a 9300 which was very similar and almost the same as the 860. the display of the pioneer ***** in the sun unless your windows are tinted. the alpine is not nearly as easy to use at first though. the parametric eq is just as good as pioneers 13 band but the crossovers are much nicer on the alpine and the alpine can adapt to any system you try and build. the 860 will work with any system you build but the alpine can be much better in some situation. i like them both alot but i like the alpine more. and i have a 3 year warranty so i plan on owning this HU for awhile. all and all, pioneer wins on graphics but alpine wins on function. pioneer can not keep up on the functions and functionality that alpine offers. now i dont like the 9855 as much as the 9835 but i would still take the alpine over the pioneer. f**k it, get used to the slide bar you babies.

bigbangtheory
10-21-2005, 01:32 AM
does it have to be new ?

I personnally would only buy new unless you can get a warranty on something used. I have had the 960 and 860 and was pretty happy with them. They were both stolen though. :( I had a really old alpine that was ok. I dont think you could lose on either deck to tell you the truth but I am pretty sure the pioneer is cheaper in price. Good luck!

loserpunk
10-21-2005, 03:49 AM
One thing about the 860, mine started messing up on my today after about 5 months of use. If you are getting one, I would sugguest getting it from a dealer or being prepared to possibly spend some money on repairs. The problem I encountered was with my unit not ejecting cd's, and my reset button would not work.

ran into the same problem w/ almost every 860 i've used, not sure why it just happens, but i never had one that wouldn't eject after either resetting it, telling it to eject when it was turned off, or telling it to do the auto eq (the face also moves out of the way during this)...and yes they have had a multitude of problems with the preouts and the ground problem that was talked about....can be fixed, i think i had to pay 75ish the first time that happened and he acted like it was my fault like i'm trying to send a positive signal into the outputs or something, but overall, i really like how the pio navigates compared to the alpine, maybe i just have a pioneer wired brain, but i've tried to mess w/ the 9815/35/55 on numerous occasions and to no avail can find out how to do anything except change the button color....:)

the glide strip works a lot like the iPod's glide wheel....it just ***** balls, i couldn't get the one i used @ bb to work for me at all, i can't imagine trying to do the same w/ bumps and while trying to focus on driving

JimJ
10-21-2005, 03:54 AM
I'm just wary about used, especially off of ebay.

Get references. Lots of photos. Do an escrow service if needed.

When I've been screwed, it was off Ebay...where I actually had less protection from fraud, and had to resort to "other" tactics to get my money back :up2somet:

I wouldn't limit your choices to just new.

But that's just me...someone who can't afford new equipment, and buys used for economic reasons alone :)

Decado
10-21-2005, 05:39 AM
Get references. Lots of photos. Do an escrow service if needed.

When I've been screwed, it was off Ebay...where I actually had less protection from fraud, and had to resort to "other" tactics to get my money back :up2somet:

I wouldn't limit your choices to just new.

But that's just me...someone who can't afford new equipment, and buys used for economic reasons alone :)

Well, my guess would be that people on these forums arent selling them too often though if they're so good...

bikejunkie223
10-21-2005, 10:06 AM
One thing about the 860, mine started messing up on my today after about 5 months of use. If you are getting one, I would sugguest getting it from a dealer or being prepared to possibly spend some money on repairs. The problem I encountered was with my unit not ejecting cd's, and my reset button would not work.
The 860 has a 2 year warranty, I've had mine nearly a year with no issues. You always hear about the extremely good or extremely bad, not the thousands that go on day after day working perfectly. I would buy new as well. The peace of mind is worth the extra jack to me.

chadillac3
10-21-2005, 11:05 AM
The Glide Touch is actually quite useful when utilizing an iPod w/ the 9855...I've had two 9835's, and loved them, but I don't think I'd go back at this point.

Once you get used to it, it's really quite simple, but the first 5-10 times is a serious PITA. Long term reliability is obviously unknown (i.e. how the strip will function after 2-3 years), but I typically switch to a new HU each model year.

I also had an 860 that had the preouts blow. I knew a guy who had 3 of them...all had the same issue. I'd pass.

chadillac3
10-21-2005, 11:07 AM
I would say, though, that the Pioneer was great on MP3 CDs...really nice search functions. Heard the Pio iPod adapter is pitiful.

slain93gsr
10-21-2005, 03:35 PM
when i had a 860mp it sounded good and was easy to use. till i ran into the issues some of these folks had. Numerous times it would not eject the cd till i turned the car from off to acc a few times would it finally eject the cd. after 6 months I brought it back to my premier dealer to have looked at my mid and sub rcas were done for. ended up getting it serviced and sold it to my neighbor.

I would try to get 9835 minus the 05 lineup excluding the f1 model or if you have the chance audition the eclipse line up. very good equipment from eclipse. may get a eclipse to replace my 7949 in the future.
I currently have a 9813 9835 and a 7949 in different vehicles. I bought the 860 just to fiddle with it. Some folks never have a problem at all where some were plagued with it.

HeatSeeker
10-21-2005, 06:19 PM
Hmmm makes me glad I had second thoughts about getting a 860, although my friend had one for over a year with no issues what so ever.

And not to hijack, would you say the internal processing on the eclipse 8454 or the alpine 9835 is better?

JimJ
10-21-2005, 06:20 PM
Long term reliability is obviously unknown (i.e. how the strip will function after 2-3 years), but I typically switch to a new HU each model year.

Another reason for me to dismiss the 9855, unless one completely relies on the remote.

Then again, I've had my 7894 since it came out ;)

Ignatowski
10-21-2005, 07:47 PM
9835>any pioneer IMO

Decado
10-21-2005, 09:22 PM
Another reason for me to dismiss the 9855, unless one completely relies on the remote.

Then again, I've had my 7894 since it came out ;)

Well, I rely pretty heavily on the remote on my kenwood, would the 9855 be so bad if I just used the remote all the time?

loserpunk
10-22-2005, 11:27 AM
9835>any pioneer IMO

P9 BABY :)

and to the above, what did you hear exactly about the ipod adapter for pio's, i've only heard good things for them, i've heard lots bad about the alpines...but never anything bad about the pio, i'm curious now

bamaboy
10-22-2005, 12:01 PM
i actually like my clarion better than my 860, touch screen is really easy to use, over all display is easy to read, except in my polarized sunglasses i cant even read it

ngsm13
10-22-2005, 01:26 PM
P9 BABY :)

and to the above, what did you hear exactly about the ipod adapter for pio's, i've only heard good things for them, i've heard lots bad about the alpines...but never anything bad about the pio, i'm curious now
The ipod adapter on the 770mp and 80MP **** balls especially...couldn't imagine using it on an even lower line unit...

NG

adam71
10-22-2005, 02:53 PM
So we tell you that the 9835 is overwhelmingly better....and you go with the 860.

Well, first of all I don't see how 9835 is even slightly better let alone overwhelmingly better. :rolleyes:


Realiability of the 860 also *****...as witnessed by the comment above.

NG

So one comment condemns popular opinion of a deck that has sold thousands of units.? I'm sorry but that is also just opinion. I've had a 860 for over a year now and have NO reliability issues at all. All it has done is perform the way I expected and then some.

And I also fail to see how the 9835 has "much much much better active crossovers than the 860". I happen to think the internal crossovers are very sufficient for a deck. I personally use an outboard and have never bought into the whole "all in one" deck fad. Just my opinion but it seems you have quite the hard on for Pioneer. Just seems like it I guess.

ngsm13
10-22-2005, 03:57 PM
Well, first of all I don't see how 9835 is even slightly better let alone overwhelmingly better. :rolleyes:



So one comment condemns popular opinion of a deck that has sold thousands of units.? I'm sorry but that is also just opinion. I've had a 860 for over a year now and have NO reliability issues at all. All it has done is perform the way I expected and then some.

And I also fail to see how the 9835 has "much much much better active crossovers than the 860". I happen to think the internal crossovers are very sufficient for a deck. I personally use an outboard and have never bought into the whole "all in one" deck fad. Just my opinion but it seems you have quite the hard on for Pioneer. Just seems like it I guess.

Hard on for pioneer? That would mean I like them...and i don't that much.

I sell pioneer everytime I work. At circuit city, i recommend it as the top brand of HU we carry.

Though my PERSONAL experiences, and the experiences of AT LEAST 5-6 of my friends have led me to not care for them as much...expecially in the past 1-2 years. They just have random sweeps of problems that shouldn't happen, like the screen problems with the 860/8600 series, the pre-out/ internal ground problems with the 960/9600.

Also, the slopes only go up to 18 dB/Oct...the alpine offers a clear and simple visual representation of all 3 components together on one screen when setting up the xover. The BioLite display is higher resolution, easier to read (IMO), and does not wash out in the sun. The Premier 960 I used for about a month (Which other than the p9 combo is one of pioneer's "BEST" decks)....gave me nothing but problems...and to me was much more hard to adjust to the sound I wanted.

It wouldn't read my mp3 CD's that had always worked on my Alpine 7894, Clarion vrx945vd, and my 9835. The pre-outs were weak as hell, especially the sub-out. It was just in all around inferior unit as far as daily operations go. At least my "opinion" is formed around EXTENSIVE experience with both companies, but yes...it's an opinion and everyone is entitled to one.

NG

adam71
10-22-2005, 04:27 PM
Actually when I say "hard on" I meant that it seemed like you have a personal dislike for Pioneer. Personally I think the 960/9600 *****. I like the 860 much better. The 860 should have been named the 960. The dual-faced decks that Pioneer has offered have been nothing but trouble. They need to scrap that style and stay with simpler stuff like the 860. Don't get me wrong man I didn't mean anything derogatory by that remark.....just seemed like you were bashing more than anything else but it was probably just me.

However, I would say that NOT just Pioneer has had issues in the past few years. Alpine, Pioneer and even Clarion have had issues with reliability. I for one have had NO issues with my 860. One of my best friends who is a Premier dealer hasn't had one 860 come back but the 960 is a completely different story and for some reason the 960 retails for more than the 860:rolleyes: Go figure.

I think the main reason I don't have issues with the crossover is because like I said in my last post that I do NOT use anything internal with my deck except for the EQ. An outboard crossover is always a better solution in my opinion.

msimon
10-22-2005, 04:35 PM
Hard on for pioneer? That would mean I like them...and i don't that much.

I sell pioneer everytime I work. At circuit city, i recommend it as the top brand of HU we carry.

Though my PERSONAL experiences, and the experiences of AT LEAST 5-6 of my friends have led me to not care for them as much...expecially in the past 1-2 years. They just have random sweeps of problems that shouldn't happen, like the screen problems with the 860/8600 series, the pre-out/ internal ground problems with the 960/9600.

Also, the slopes only go up to 18 dB/Oct...the alpine offers a clear and simple visual representation of all 3 components together on one screen when setting up the xover. The BioLite display is higher resolution, easier to read (IMO), and does not wash out in the sun. The Premier 960 I used for about a month (Which other than the p9 combo is one of pioneer's "BEST" decks)....gave me nothing but problems...and to me was much more hard to adjust to the sound I wanted.

It wouldn't read my mp3 CD's that had always worked on my Alpine 7894, Clarion vrx945vd, and my 9835. The pre-outs were weak as hell, especially the sub-out. It was just in all around inferior unit as far as daily operations go. At least my "opinion" is formed around EXTENSIVE experience with both companies, but yes...it's an opinion and everyone is entitled to one.

NG

My 860 had up to 24 db/oct slopes on the mid and high channels, and up to 36 db/oct on the low channel. That being said, I wished that the 860 had lower x-over points on the high channel for horns, it was extremely hard to read in the sun, and I had to deal with getting the ground trace problem repaired. Although the 860 was a decent deck I would get the 9835 for the sake of reliability.

bikejunkie223
10-22-2005, 04:36 PM
P9 BABY :)

and to the above, what did you hear exactly about the ipod adapter for pio's, i've only heard good things for them, i've heard lots bad about the alpines...but never anything bad about the pio, i'm curious now
I have the ipod adapter and it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. What people complain about is if you want to search for a specific band, the interface is slow. If you play off of playlists, the results are immediate and fine. The way to find specific bands quickly, is to unplug the ipod, find the band, and tell the ipod to start playing, and then plug in the dock connector, and there it is. Everyone wants to whine and moan about it, but it's better IMO than using the headphone jack to rca in the aux input. Plus it charges your ipod while you drive. I like my 860. There are some functions that are a pain to get to, but that is a issue common to all high-end units with so many features built in. Menu driven decks are a pain, this is why I am looking hard at a Nak, despite the price.

chadillac3
10-22-2005, 10:43 PM
Another reason for me to dismiss the 9855, unless one completely relies on the remote.

Then again, I've had my 7894 since it came out ;)

Well, for all we know the Glide Touch will work fine for the next 10 years...

adam71
10-22-2005, 11:24 PM
Well, for all we know the Glide Touch will work fine for the next 10 years...


Then again..............maybe it won't. :(

chadillac3
10-24-2005, 03:08 PM
Then again..............maybe it won't. :(

I know my 9855 has lasted longer already than the 860mp I owned...

simon21
10-24-2005, 04:00 PM
How does the 9813 compare to the 9835/9833?

adam71
10-24-2005, 06:17 PM
I know my 9855 has lasted longer already than the 860mp I owned...

How long have you had the 9855 and how long did you have the 860.??? BTW just because a deck breaks down and you give up on it doesn't mean it didn't last long....but that you got sick of it. Because whatever went wrong with your deck I'm sure was fixable and under warranty unless you bought it unauthorized online.

chadillac3
10-24-2005, 07:02 PM
How long have you had the 9855 and how long did you have the 860.??? BTW just because a deck breaks down and you give up on it doesn't mean it didn't last long....but that you got sick of it. Because whatever went wrong with your deck I'm sure was fixable and under warranty unless you bought it unauthorized online.

Hmm, 5 months on the 9855, and the 860 lasted about 4.

I had my preouts die on the 860mp, just like MANY MANY others. I was hoping I was going to be lucky and my 860 was going to last...two days after reading a bunch of threads on Sounddomain about people having issues my preouts crapped out too.

Could I have gotten it fixed? Sure, but I'm not poor, and nothing irritates me more than owning a product that could die at any time, and I could be without a HU for 2-3 weeks, if not longer as Pio's warranty service reputation isn't what I'd call stellar.

I went to an Alpine CDA-9835, and have never looked back. I actually like quite a few things about the 860, but having the preouts die for no reason is pretty sad, especially since it's something Pioneer hasn't corrected. The first batch of the CDA-9855's was well known to have a major software issue, but Alpine fixed it, and per my guy at the local Tweeter, they've had almost no problems with the 2nd and newer batches, and they sell quite a few of those.

Edit: Actually, if you were to do some searches on my name on ECA, you'd find that I posted quite a few positive comments about the 860...did a really nice review on it. I was by no means "tired" of it; just didn't want a unit destined to die soon in my dash.

chadillac3
10-24-2005, 07:05 PM
BTW, if you have an 860 and you've had no problems....good for you. Just hope it doesn't **** out on you someday for no apparent reason.

adam71
10-24-2005, 07:50 PM
I went to an Alpine CDA-9835, and have never looked back. I actually like quite a few things about the 860, but having the preouts die for no reason is pretty sad, especially since it's something Pioneer hasn't corrected.

First of all, if you were having problems then I don't blame you what so ever for going with something else seeing how you could afford to do so. But would have to disagree that pre outs die for NO REASON and who says Pioneer has NOT fixed the problem?? Locally I hadn't heard of ANY problems with 860...pre outs or anything else. This forum was the first place I've heard of these problems. But if there is a serious problem with a FEW of these decks then I can't see Pio just ignoring the problem.





I was by no means "tired" of it; just didn't want a unit destined to die soon in my dash.

You don't know if its destined to die soon. You had one problem with the pre outs and didn't have it fixed so I have to ask how you assumed that deck would die soon. I could see if you had it fixed and then the same thing went wrong a month later but you didn't even do that. Don't get me wrong.......your deck......your money.......your choice. I just think you prematurely gave up on the deck but to each his own.

adam71
10-24-2005, 07:51 PM
BTW, if you have an 860 and you've had no problems....good for you. Just hope it doesn't **** out on you someday for no apparent reason.


I've had it for over a year and its running flawlessly today as it did when I installed it. So I seriously doubt its going to take a **** seeing how every other Pioneer deck I've owned never did.:)

JAZN
10-24-2005, 08:03 PM
My 860 had up to 24 db/oct slopes on the mid and high channels, and up to 36 db/oct on the low channel. That being said, I wished that the 860 had lower x-over points on the high channel for horns, it was extremely hard to read in the sun, and I had to deal with getting the ground trace problem repaired. Although the 860 was a decent deck I would get the 9835 for the sake of reliability.
My EXACT thoughts. The 860 has 24db/oct slopes, but the lack of a lower x-over point on the highs was lame cuz I had horns too. It's hard to read in the sun, and I personally prefer the looks of the 9835 more. However, the 860 has treated me well for the 10 months I've had it, never had the ground problem or weak preouts. I've also owned the 960, returned that **** a week after buying it.
Which would I pick? I would personally pick the 9835 b/c I like the way it looks more and because I want a H701 to go with it :p:
If you're on a budget, the 860 aint too shabby.

chadillac3
10-24-2005, 09:25 PM
First of all, if you were having problems then I don't blame you what so ever for going with something else seeing how you could afford to do so. But would have to disagree that pre outs die for NO REASON and who says Pioneer has NOT fixed the problem?? Locally I hadn't heard of ANY problems with 860...pre outs or anything else. This forum was the first place I've heard of these problems. But if there is a serious problem with a FEW of these decks then I can't see Pio just ignoring the problem.






You don't know if its destined to die soon. You had one problem with the pre outs and didn't have it fixed so I have to ask how you assumed that deck would die soon. I could see if you had it fixed and then the same thing went wrong a month later but you didn't even do that. Don't get me wrong.......your deck......your money.......your choice. I just think you prematurely gave up on the deck but to each his own.

Seriously, do a little more searching. This is NOT an isolated incident. Talk to someone who sells them. Ask pete3636 on the forums how much he just LOVES these decks. I read a thread about people having preouts die, and LITERALLY the next day they did.

As for your implication that I did something wrong, do tell me how you can have a deck in for 4 months, and one day all you get crap out of the preouts...and then I drop in an Alpine CDA-9835 in the EXACT same install, and it works fine? Fact is you can't, but however you can find numerous posts on the forums about this issue.

Prematurely? I'd MUCH rather spend a little more rather than wait 3-4 weeks before I got the POS back.

chadillac3
10-24-2005, 09:26 PM
I've had it for over a year and its running flawlessly today as it did when I installed it. So I seriously doubt its going to take a **** seeing how every other Pioneer deck I've owned never did.:)

I said the same thing after 4 months...I've NEVER had a deck have an issue like that if it worked fine out of the box.

I knew you had an 860.... :) I'll see if I can find the post where I defended mine, right before it died.

chadillac3
10-24-2005, 09:31 PM
I'm alone eh?

http://forum.elitecaraudio.com/showthread.php?threadid=103917

chadillac3
10-24-2005, 09:42 PM
More:

http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=015654#000000

http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=015582#000015

http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=015456#000000

http://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=015972#000000

http://forum.sounddomain.com/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=015575

adam71
10-24-2005, 10:14 PM
Seriously, do a little more searching. This is NOT an isolated incident. Talk to someone who sells them. Ask pete3636 on the forums how much he just LOVES these decks. I read a thread about people having preouts die, and LITERALLY the next day they did.

Dude, please don't take me wrong I'm not arguing that there has been issues with this deck and I'm not saying this is an isolated incident. All I was trying to say bro was that pre outs don't go out for NO REASON, there has to be a reason why this is happening to some of these units. As far as asking someone who sells them I do know someone. One of my best friends installs for a Premier dealer and like I posted earlier in this thread is that they have sold over (60) 860s and about (30) 960s. They have yet to get 1 860 back for repair yet.......NOT ONE. They have had 960s back but it wasn't for pre outs...it was for the ribbon cables for the dual face.




As for your implication that I did something wrong, do tell me how you can have a deck in for 4 months, and one day all you get crap out of the preouts...and then I drop in an Alpine CDA-9835 in the EXACT same install, and it works fine? Fact is you can't, but however you can find numerous posts on the forums about this issue.

I NEVER and I mean NEVER implied that you did something wrong with your install. I'm sorry if I came off like that but I did NOT mean that at all. You sound like you know what you're doing to me actually so NO that isn't what I meant.:D




Prematurely? I'd MUCH rather spend a little more rather than wait 3-4 weeks before I got the POS back.

All I ever meant by premature is that you didn't even get it fixed once. I'm glad you have the money to buy 2 decks within 6 months of each other but why not give it a chance to get fixed. You have the rest of your life for music...whats 3 weeks compared to the rest of your life.?? Like I said earlier.....to each his own. Sorry for being unclear earlier.:)

ngsm13
10-24-2005, 10:22 PM
I'd ditch the unit as well.

Hell one of my good friends bought the 960, had it RANDOMLY and FOR NO REASON **** out on him one day. He sent it in to get repaired, took over TWO MONTHS. He bought a new Eclipse 8455 and didn't look back...sold the unit after it was repaired.

NG

chadillac3
10-24-2005, 10:47 PM
Dude, please don't take me wrong I'm not arguing that there has been issues with this deck and I'm not saying this is an isolated incident. All I was trying to say bro was that pre outs don't go out for NO REASON, there has to be a reason why this is happening to some of these units. As far as asking someone who sells them I do know someone. One of my best friends installs for a Premier dealer and like I posted earlier in this thread is that they have sold over (60) 860s and about (30) 960s. They have yet to get 1 860 back for repair yet.......NOT ONE. They have had 960s back but it wasn't for pre outs...it was for the ribbon cables for the dual face.





I NEVER and I mean NEVER implied that you did something wrong with your install. I'm sorry if I came off like that but I did NOT mean that at all. You sound like you know what you're doing to me actually so NO that isn't what I meant.:D





All I ever meant by premature is that you didn't even get it fixed once. I'm glad you have the money to buy 2 decks within 6 months of each other but why not give it a chance to get fixed. You have the rest of your life for music...whats 3 weeks compared to the rest of your life.?? Like I said earlier.....to each his own. Sorry for being unclear earlier.:)

Honestly, considering the fact it's a pretty well known problem, it was either a design or build flaw. To be fair, I haven't been tracking the problem, although it does seem like I hear about one of these dying every now and then. Still, I can't say conclusively that Pio hasn't fixed them with recent builds. It is kinda interesting Crutchfield stopped offering the 8600, though.

adam71
10-24-2005, 11:54 PM
I'd ditch the unit as well.

Hell one of my good friends bought the 960, had it RANDOMLY and FOR NO REASON **** out on him one day. He sent it in to get repaired, took over TWO MONTHS. He bought a new Eclipse 8455 and didn't look back...sold the unit after it was repaired.

NG

Oh really.....NO REASON at all huh?? So was it determined that it was the devil that made it do it or was it just black magic.?? Obviously there is SOME reason they've had problems. Nothing goes wrong for NO REASON.:rolleyes:

Decado
10-24-2005, 11:56 PM
So...other than the glide touch on the 9855, what is worse about it? I havent heard any argument against anything specifically being worse so far.

adam71
10-24-2005, 11:57 PM
Honestly, considering the fact it's a pretty well known problem, it was either a design or build flaw. To be fair, I haven't been tracking the problem, although it does seem like I hear about one of these dying every now and then. Still, I can't say conclusively that Pio hasn't fixed them with recent builds. It is kinda interesting Crutchfield stopped offering the 8600, though.

Oh I agree that it had to be design flaw. Otherwise it would have only been a few isolated incidents. Either way, I guess we must have received a GOOD batch here in Michigan. And yes, it was the first run in 04....not the 05s.

adam71
10-24-2005, 11:59 PM
So...other than the glide touch on the 9855, what is worse about it? I havent heard any argument against anything specifically being worse so far.

Well that and build quality which all mfgs build quality has gone down the past couple years.

Decado
10-25-2005, 12:12 AM
Well that and build quality which all mfgs build quality has gone down the past couple years.

Well, i'd rather have something with a lil less build quality and a warranty then something that has no warranty at all.

adam71
10-25-2005, 12:17 AM
Well, i'd rather have something with a lil less build quality and a warranty then something that has no warranty at all.

I don't blame you man.......I feel the same way. Keep in mind though....NOT ALL 860s are bad contrary to popular opinion. I would just buy one from an authorized dealer if you do. Your money...your choice.:)

chadillac3
10-25-2005, 02:16 PM
So...other than the glide touch on the 9855, what is worse about it? I havent heard any argument against anything specifically being worse so far.

In terms of performance, nothing. Actually, when being used with an iPod, it's significantly better than any other DIN sized deck out there.

ngsm13
10-25-2005, 02:53 PM
Oh really.....NO REASON at all huh?? So was it determined that it was the devil that made it do it or was it just black magic.?? Obviously there is SOME reason they've had problems. Nothing goes wrong for NO REASON.:rolleyes:

Yup, NO REASON. Have trouble reading?

I'm tired of playing games on your "definition" of "NO REASON"...it's getting old.

No reason meaning, all of a sudden in normal everyday operation it quit qorking correctly. No immediate cause. If you want to track the cause back to 6months or more...back to the build house...and their design flaws....then do it.

BUT, if a unit quits working correctly during normal everyday operation...that is for NO REASON ;).

Later fellas.

NG

Decado
10-25-2005, 05:42 PM
In terms of performance, nothing. Actually, when being used with an iPod, it's significantly better than any other DIN sized deck out there.

Well, I might as well give it a try.

chadillac3
10-26-2005, 11:06 AM
Just be patient w/ the Glide Touch...it isn't the easiest thing to use at first. I HATED it with a passion, but I've come to appreciate it when in use w/ the iPod.

slain93gsr
10-26-2005, 06:38 PM
well i had to jinx myself lol

my 9835 is having issues with a hiss heard through comps and sub from vol 1-10 thinking mine has a preout issue.

great lol

Howie

adam71
10-26-2005, 09:33 PM
Post deleted. Reason: Too advanced for some forum users.

ngsm13
10-27-2005, 02:37 AM
lmao.

nG

chadillac3
10-27-2005, 11:32 AM
I think when we said "no reason" we were inferring "no apparent reason"

:)