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maldecido33
10-03-2005, 12:00 AM
Thanks to Moe Lester for the design... it's a ported box with 4.5 cu ft tuned at 33Hz.

Gonna have two 12" Alpine Type R (2005 version) pushed by an Orion 1200D; this baby should get LOUD. Going into the bed of a regular cab 2000 silverado and will be blown-through into the cab.

First off, the actual design of the box.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6225/design2mr.png

My workspace at home, consisting of a folding table, some smaller tables, and some bricks. Works great!
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4081/workspace0rh.jpg

The cut boards laid out before I attempted some sort of cleanup.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6114/boards17le.jpg

The boards all cut out and stacked up, ready to be sanded some and glued/screwed together tomorrow. Labeled in MSPaint.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/66/boards2kb.jpg

The front baffle. Gorgeous cutouts with the jigsaw :-)
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1399/baffle4jg.jpg

I cut out a Chevy Logo that I'm gonna put on the back of the box, raised up with some bondo. Need to sand it up a little, but otherwise, looks pretty nice IMO.
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1735/chevylogo9av.jpg

Still have to finish cutting the dowel rods I'm using as bracing (the circles in the design picture) and all of the 45 degree braces.

Tomorrow night, after I get home from shool, I'll finish a couple cuts, sand a few pieces, and hopefully put it all together. Pics to come.

Later this week, but maybe not even until the weekend, I'm gonna resin all of the inside of the box(my first resin job). Pics of that to come, as well.

Moe Lester
10-03-2005, 12:02 AM
everythings lookin good, edit: NM, haha everythings good

plopy
10-03-2005, 12:07 AM
whyput the logo on the back? just wondering
looks good man

maldecido33
10-03-2005, 12:08 AM
:-) I should get some SPL numbers November 27th at a big car show coming here. I'll bump this thread with pics of everything, including the blow-through, tonneau cover, new coaxials + 4 ch. amp, big 3(anyone got a link to this thread, by the way), H.O. alternator, optima yellow top, and maybe a 1F cap.

That should be it, I may be forgetting a think or two though

maldecido33
10-03-2005, 12:08 AM
whyput the logo on the back? just wondering
looks good man

Aesthetics. It's going into the bed of the truck, so anytime you raise the tonneau and lower the tailgate, you'll see the back of the box. That's why.

mikescanlon
10-03-2005, 12:11 AM
http://forum.sounddomain.com/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=007801;p=

link for the big three.

nice sounding setup.. dont think you'll need the 1farad cap unless you just like the way they look.

you should be fine with teh rest of the electrical you have there planed.

good luck with the build.

blackMTXgold
10-03-2005, 12:12 AM
niiiice!! i like that idea, that should look sick when finished, definatly gotta see new pics when done



Edit: be carefull on that blow through, a 2000 chevy is not somethin u can afford to make a mistake on... just cus ima chevy guy, if it was a ford, i would say just use a sledgehammer

maldecido33
10-03-2005, 12:23 AM
niiiice!! i like that idea, that should look sick when finished, definatly gotta see new pics when done



Edit: be carefull on that blow through, a 2000 chevy is not somethin u can afford to make a mistake on... just cus ima chevy guy, if it was a ford, i would say just use a sledgehammer

i know. my friend's done several blow-throughs on chevy's and i trust him on that part.

maldecido33
10-03-2005, 12:24 AM
http://forum.sounddomain.com/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=007801;p=

link for the big three.

nice sounding setup.. dont think you'll need the 1farad cap unless you just like the way they look.

you should be fine with teh rest of the electrical you have there planed.

good luck with the build.

the cap will be just for aesthetics in the bed of the truck; should look NICE. i'll post up an MSPaint sketch later of what the back of the bed should look like

mikescanlon
10-03-2005, 12:28 AM
indeed, get yourself a cap then!

why not a 5 farad from power acoustics or something, those things look bad ***.

maldecido33
10-03-2005, 12:35 AM
indeed, get yourself a cap then!

why not a 5 farad from power acoustics or something, those things look bad ***.

you can pay for it then ;-)

TooLowTooGo
10-03-2005, 01:37 AM
*subscribed* :)

maldecido33
10-04-2005, 12:06 AM
BUMP!

Put almost everything together today... sanded a couple edges (hey, it's my second build, not every cut is gonna be perfect). Glued everything together thorougly with Liquid Nails and screwed it all together with some 2" Drywall screws (I predrilled first, of course).

All that's left is to glue/screw in the assembled port piece, add the two dowel rods for bracing, add the 45 degree angles, and drill the holes for the speaker wires, and it will be fully assembled for now(everything but the top).

Probably this weekend I'll resin the entire interior of the box. How man coats should do well? I'll also bondo that super-cool chevy logo to the rear of the box. I think I'm gonna strategically place some LEDS or neon to illuminate the logo.

The amp is in the mail, and the subs are gonna be ordered soon. Can't wait :o

And, without further ado, the pictures:

The sides, back, and bottom all glued on(not screwed in yet).
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2982/sidesbackbottom8ka.jpg

Got the front baffle glued on. Those cutouts need a little more work, I'll file em down a little bit probably tomorrow :-)
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/6148/baffleon7gq.jpg

Here's the port in place, its just standing there for now, no glue or screws, I ran out of time (I've got to get to bed early, cross country practice at 5:30AM every morning).
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2497/portinplace0yb.jpg

And an aerial view. The port is merely standing in place here, hence the gaps seen.
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/251/topview8td.jpg



I'll bump this sometime tomorrow night with some more pictures. Enjoy :-)

Moe Lester
10-04-2005, 12:08 AM
IMHO if the subs fit in the cutouts, i wouldnt worry at all about filing them down.

Its lookin nice :)

maldecido33
10-04-2005, 12:11 AM
They'll fit just fine, it's just that I'm a perfectionist. Oh well.

InhumanAcura
10-04-2005, 12:15 AM
nice

tommyk90
10-04-2005, 12:19 AM
I never liked putting the baffle inside the other boards, i usually put it on top of the other ones. I don't really know why, but i think it's better that way. :confused:

In any case, nice work for only your 2nd box.

InhumanAcura
10-04-2005, 12:23 AM
I never liked putting the baffle inside the other boards, i usually put it on top of the other ones. I don't really know why, but i think it's better that way. :confused:



i personally think it looks pretty ghetto when you stack another piece on top of it for a double baffle though.

TooLowTooGo
10-04-2005, 12:31 AM
looking real good!

Alpineinstaller
10-04-2005, 11:24 AM
why not runn the speaker wire through the port, no need to worry about air leaks in the back of the the box. It looks good. nice build

tRiGgEr
10-04-2005, 11:31 AM
Or just use a speaker terminal:idea:

Looking good. Don't like the use of liquid nails, but it's your box.

XtrmAudioCncpts
10-04-2005, 11:32 AM
Or just use a speaker terminal:idea:


wow good idea

Chevyaudio
10-04-2005, 11:37 AM
why not runn the speaker wire through the port, no need to worry about air leaks in the back of the the box. It looks good. nice build


Now, no one wants to see messy wires...

tommyk90
10-04-2005, 11:56 AM
i personally think it looks pretty ghetto when you stack another piece on top of it for a double baffle though.

I think its more of a strength thing than an aesthetics thing though. Screwing DOWN the baffle instead of screwing INTO it.

I don't know, call me crazy. :crazy:

ruckus
10-04-2005, 02:34 PM
looking good.


just one question if your folding off the upper corner of the port shouldnt the inside corner be folded to run with it so they are / / instead of / |

Starky
10-04-2005, 02:40 PM
are those support dowels really neccessary?

ruckus
10-04-2005, 02:58 PM
are those support dowels really neccessary?
well with 4cuft and that much power you want to insure no flexing of the mdf. them top and bottom boards look to be about 38" x 24" thats alot of flat area to not brace when pushing subs that can hit 150+ dB

PV Audio
10-04-2005, 03:02 PM
shelf brace 4 teh win

PV Audio
10-04-2005, 03:02 PM
ugh liquid nails 4 teh lose

ruckus
10-04-2005, 03:31 PM
ugh liquid nails 4 teh lose
yeah he should of used caulking like someone I know :laugh:

ngsm13
10-04-2005, 03:32 PM
I think its more of a strength thing than an aesthetics thing though. Screwing DOWN the baffle instead of screwing INTO it.

I don't know, call me crazy. :crazy:

It's easier to strip screws out from being screwed down...than to snap good screws in half from being screwd into. ;)

Also, then you have that GAY lip around the port...that you need to cutout with a jig-saw or something...that= gay. I like the front to just slid in...and no need for a dumb lip around the port :).

Oh well...to each his own.

NG

Alpineinstaller
10-04-2005, 03:33 PM
Or just use a speaker terminal:idea:

Looking good. Don't like the use of liquid nails, but it's your box.

you mean terminal cup:fyi:

ruckus
10-04-2005, 03:37 PM
you mean terminal cup:fyi:
they go by both names in stores and by different manufacturers. different stores give em different names depending on the store. some call them speaker terminals some call them terminal cups.

tRiGgEr
10-04-2005, 04:07 PM
you mean terminal cup:fyi:

www.samedamnthingasstard.com :fyi:


http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=585

tommyk90
10-04-2005, 06:31 PM
It's easier to strip screws out from being screwed down...than to snap good screws in half from being screwd into. ;)

Also, then you have that GAY lip around the port...that you need to cutout with a jig-saw or something...that= gay. I like the front to just slid in...and no need for a dumb lip around the port :).

Oh well...to each his own.

NG

Never stripped a screw ;) Not that really affected anything anyways.

And.....routers own. ;)

I guess i just have good luck and the proper tools?

tRiGgEr
10-04-2005, 06:34 PM
Never stripped a screw ;) Not that really affected anything anyways.

And.....routers own. ;)

I guess i just have good luck and the proper tools?

Chit I have good luck with improper tools. I can cut a mean darn near perfect circle with a jig:)

In fact, I could cut the whole box with a jig. But then there is that darn angled cut you have to worry about. And sanding it down *****...

ngsm13
10-04-2005, 06:44 PM
Never stripped a screw ;) Not that really affected anything anyways.

And.....routers own. ;)

I guess i just have good luck and the proper tools?

I have multiple routers....still doesn't take away from the fact that the lip is gay :(

NG

tommyk90
10-04-2005, 06:48 PM
I have multiple routers....still doesn't take away from the fact that the lip is gay :(

NG

Meh, i've come to accept it. :) I just think it looks cleaner from the front without the stupid gaps (uncovered i mean). Not to mention if you paint it, its much easier to fill in a few screw holes than have to bondo and sand EVERY line on the front of the box to make it smooth for paint.

But we all have our quirks ;)

ngsm13
10-04-2005, 06:59 PM
Meh, i've come to accept it. :) I just think it looks cleaner from the front without the stupid gaps (uncovered i mean). Not to mention if you paint it, its much easier to fill in a few screw holes than have to bondo and sand EVERY line on the front of the box to make it smooth for paint.

But we all have our quirks ;)

Exact (square) cuts= no worries :)

NG

tommyk90
10-04-2005, 07:02 PM
Exact (square) cuts= no worries :)

NG

Bah, even then you still gotta do some bondo/sanding work to make it perfectly smooth. Not to mention the ends of MDF which look like crap if they aren't prepped good. :)

InhumanAcura
10-04-2005, 07:13 PM
imo, this looks better than.....


http://img183.echo.cx/img183/9500/p10100012cl.md.jpg



this...

http://img183.echo.cx/img183/4332/p101001818ag.md.jpg


call me crazy :crazy:

tommyk90
10-04-2005, 07:17 PM
^^^I'll agree with you on that one, but we are talking single baffle here. :)

But in both pictures above, the top layer is screwed down to the rest of the pieces, not the rest of the pieces screwed INTO the baffle.

Why are we talking about this again?

Moe Lester
10-04-2005, 08:25 PM
^^^I'll agree with you on that one, but we are talking single baffle here. :)

But in both pictures above, the top layer is screwed down to the rest of the pieces, not the rest of the pieces screwed INTO the baffle.

Why are we talking about this again?

because you have nothing better to do? :naughty:

ruckus
10-04-2005, 09:08 PM
looking good.


just one question if your folding off the upper corner of the port shouldnt the inside corner be folded to run with it so they are / / instead of / |


Moe is my thinking right on this? cause it seems like have the port 45ed off on the top but not the bottom causes it to shallow instead of keeping the same distance.

http://dillusionz.com/design.png



trying to learn ;)

maldecido33
10-05-2005, 12:28 AM
BUMP

Didn't get any work done on the box today, too tired. Ran 8.3 miles at cross country practice this morning(I'm in HS), then another 3 or 4 through some Sandhills after school. (picture1 (http://www.ector-county.k12.tx.us/schools/ODE/images/7EAC77DA843F4E30A170939E822D0C75.bmp) and picture2 (http://www.ector-county.k12.tx.us/schools/ODE/images/3AEE1AAADA1C45149FC3C7F05046BC91.gif) of the running there. That's me in the white shorts, no shirt in the front in picture2. Can't see me in picture1.)

My new speakers came in today to replace my sub-par stock system in my single cab, some 6.5" and some 4x6" from Soundstream. Heard these in a friends car, and they were very impressive. Crisp and detailed. And, only $90 shipped for all four.

I also dug out an older Legacy Audio LA630 Series IV 4 channel amp that I'd been saving to power these speakers. I have a feeling (since it's a legacy product), thats its overrated, so It should provide near perfect wattage to each speaker. It's fairly scratched up as its used, but I got it free, so it's all fine.

Also, found some POS(probably) tweeters I gotfrom a friend he got for free from an eBay auction. I doubt they are high quality what-so-ever, but I figure why not hook em up to the new HU(clarion DXZ855MP) when I get it just for some fun. They're rated as 200w max per tweeter... lol.

Without further ado, the pictures:

6.5" XStream 3-Way Speakers without the grilles. The tweet in the middle looks off just because of the angle of the picture.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3421/xstream650dv.jpg

4"x6" XStream 2-Way Speakers without the grilles. The tweet in the middle looks off just because of the angle of the picture.
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/5558/xstream461al.jpg

Both speakers with the grilles on em.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1476/bothgrilles9wu.jpg

The POS tweeters. I have another pair around somewhere. They also have some BLING BLING grilles for em.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/4170/shittweets0hk.jpg

The LA630 4-Channel Amp, front view. Little scratched up, but it works fine.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5627/legacyfront9vj.jpg

The Speaker, Power, Remote-Turn-On, and Ground wire inputs.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6882/legacywireside8gn.jpg

The RCA inputs.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9420/legacyrca9nt.jpg

I'll be back later on tomorrow with some more pictures, probably.

Hasta luego.

tRiGgEr
10-05-2005, 12:32 AM
Those are Cuspid tweets. Extremely harsh with a bad frequency range...

maldecido33
10-05-2005, 12:33 AM
eh, I figured. could never find any specs on-line

tRiGgEr
10-05-2005, 12:34 AM
Moe is my thinking right on this? cause it seems like have the port 45ed off on the top but not the bottom causes it to shallow instead of keeping the same distance.

http://dillusionz.com/design.png



trying to learn ;)

No keep the back port at an L shape. The corner brace is just to reduce turbulance. "port noise" and will not effect the tunning to much. Angling it will increase port turbulance and effect the tunning.

skeptikal
10-05-2005, 06:32 PM
-- edit --

chit nvm. read the replies wrong.

maldecido33
10-06-2005, 12:24 AM
BUMP

Got a little accomplished today, but not a whole lot. Screwed/glued the port assembly down, and screwed and glued the dowel rods(which are being used as braces to prevent the top panel from flexing). The pictures are before they were glued down, hence why they don't look perfect.

I temporarily but the chevy logo on the back with a small dab of glue and 2 screws not screwed in all the way. Just wanted to see how it looks, and I'm impressed! Gonna build up the edges with some bondo sometime to give it a look as though it's coming out from the box. Should be nice :-)

I need to bondo the entire box and sand it down a couple times, as well as resin the inside. How many coats would be suitable, and what sort of hardener-resin ratio do I need for my mixture? Never really worked with resin or anything like that before.

And here are a couple pics, sorry there dark, barely took them around 10 when it was already dark:

The chevy logo stuck in place on the back. So nice.
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1084/backlogo1tc.jpg

The dowel rods in the box.
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4052/insidedowel2na.jpg

A picture of the port. Gonna paint it a glossy black after I resin it.
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/710/port5wa.jpg

An aerial view of the box. It's almost all the way assembled!

Until next time, adios.
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/2836/topdowel3xy.jpg

BAsK510
10-06-2005, 12:35 AM
looks good...

BAsK

Moe Lester
10-06-2005, 12:35 AM
if i had known you were painting the port i woulda told you to do that before you put it in lol.

TooLowTooGo
10-06-2005, 01:39 AM
looks really good!

mikescanlon
10-06-2005, 09:08 AM
looks great, are you going to brace from front to rear?.. like submountring to rear or box?

very good build quality.

maldecido33
10-06-2005, 08:41 PM
No work tonight; for one, it's raining and sub 50 degrees, and I have a seminar to attend discussing western european policies during the 18th century, followed by a party for a friend.

:bye:

InhumanAcura
10-06-2005, 08:50 PM
looking nice...chevy bowtie looks a little cocked over though

maldecido33
10-06-2005, 08:56 PM
looking nice...chevy bowtie looks a little cocked over though


it's not in place permanently yet, just has two screws screwed a tiny bit in

maldecido33
10-09-2005, 06:49 PM
Haven't done any real work on the box lately. Mounted the chevy emblem on there permanently, did some sanding, and caulked the edges. Decided not to resin the inside of the box at the recommendation of some people here.

Just though I'd post some pics of my truck that this box is gonna call home for a while.

Those are some SpeedyWheels Victory Rims 22x9.5's, wrapped in som Toyo Proxes S/T 305/40R22 rubber. 3" Rear 1" front Drop on it. Soon to have a Snuglid SL Bedcover on it(If anyone has a link to buy these, let me know).

For some reason the truck came out orange in some of these pics... It's really red.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2770/truck17pk.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4487/truck24fn.jpg

http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/7446/truck33iw.jpg

Eventually the truck with have the SS front bumper, a roll pan, and maybe some side skirts. And some dark tint on the windows

:-)

fozzymuphet
10-09-2005, 07:11 PM
mmmm thats perty. Me loves the chevy and hates the ford (i own a stupid ranger) I kinda like it orange...... PAINT IT. JK

maldecido33
10-09-2005, 07:35 PM
i like it better orange also

but i don't quite have that money for something like that

tRiGgEr
10-09-2005, 08:16 PM
I like the truck. More pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PV Audio
10-09-2005, 08:42 PM
Haven't done any real work on the box lately. Mounted the chevy emblem on there permanently, did some sanding, and caulked the edges. Decided not to resin the inside of the box at the recommendation of some people here.

Just though I'd post some pics of my truck that this box is gonna call home for a while.

Those are some SpeedyWheels Victory Rims 22x9.5's, wrapped in som Toyo Proxes S/T 305/40R22 rubber. 3" Rear 1" front Drop on it. Soon to have a Snuglid SL Bedcover on it(If anyone has a link to buy these, let me know).

For some reason the truck came out orange in some of these pics... It's really red.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2770/truck17pk.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4487/truck24fn.jpg

http://img173.imageshack.us/img173/7446/truck33iw.jpg

Eventually the truck with have the SS front bumper, a roll pan, and maybe some side skirts. And some dark tint on the windows

:-)
ur white balance is off like somethin fierce :uhoh:

mikescanlon
10-09-2005, 08:48 PM
the orange looks good.. are you painting the box the same color with a nice high glossy finish?

maybe a fiberglass gelcoat?

maldecido33
10-09-2005, 09:00 PM
the orange looks good.. are you painting the box the same color with a nice high glossy finish?

maybe a fiberglass gelcoat?

you know, I really haven't decided how to finish the box yet.

I mean, it is gonna go in the bed under a bedcover where it won't be seen to often, so some nice, black carpet may just be fine.

I have little-to-no experience with painting boxes... particularily a very glossy finish. What is a fiberglass gelcoat? A layer of fiberglass around the entire box and then paint it?

Throw me some ideas/techniques/links :-)

mikescanlon
10-09-2005, 09:06 PM
have you ever seen a boat before?

that is a fiberglass gelcoat, i tried it one time and it's not the easiest thing to do, it turned out decent... but not like a boat.

what you making that chevy symbol for if you dont want to show it off : ) come on man.

it looks like you're pretty good with your hands, you could probably get something a little better than carpet..

when are you planning on doing the blow-through?

gonna post up pics of that?

maldecido33
10-09-2005, 09:08 PM
yea, I'll have pics of everything as it comes. The blowthrough will be the last step though. My deadline is November 27th for EVERYTHING to be done. That's the big local car show here where I can get metered and all of that.

I'm considering vinyl also.

mikescanlon
10-09-2005, 09:28 PM
vinyl looks good sometimes, and sometimes it looks horrible, you gotta be good with the stuff, or pay someone that is, maybe you could get it diamondplated, and powdercoat the diamondplate red?

it wouldn't effect your sound any as long as you covered the box with some closed cell foam/ sound deadener and then applied like a 'shell' if you will of diamondplate on the outside.

i think that'd look pretty nice
are you mounting the amps inside the vehicle?... you have a basic plan someplace that i missed?

maldecido33
10-09-2005, 10:05 PM
nah, you didn't miss anything. gonna mount the amp's behind the seats (1 behind each seat) on some sort of minimalistic amp rack. Probably at an angle that closely matches the seats.

we'll see

mikescanlon
10-09-2005, 10:23 PM
i scanned through, what kind of equipment are you putting in this beast of an install?

maldecido33
10-09-2005, 11:52 PM
HU: Clarion ProAudio DXZ855MP
subs: two 12" alpine type r 4 ohm subs
sub amp: orion 1200D
box: 4.5 ft^3 tuned to 33Hz
front/rear spks: Soundstream XStream 6.5 and 4x6
mid amp: legacy LA630 4 ch amp(got it free, should do fine)
Optima Yellowtop
160amp H.O. Alternator
Big 3

edit: that's all the budget will allow for now, and probably all I'll do as far as audio goes for a while.

In a year or so, in goes a monster of a 6.0L v8. 345 horsies stock :-)

mikescanlon
10-10-2005, 07:25 AM
i am unfamiliar with soundstream equipment, but everything else there is pretty darn good imo.

my dad has the 2500hd with the beastly diesel engine, he put in the chip, exhaust, it ran a 16.2 at moroso. that diesel engine is a beast.

but i'm sure that 6.0 gasoline engine will be moving too. are you planning to bag or it put some hydraulics? or just leave it stock as far as that goes?

rollin_clean
10-30-2005, 05:50 PM
abrupt ending how did it turn out