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PV Audio
09-19-2005, 10:58 PM
me!

got my crossovers done for my worklog (******* snova deleted my other one so i can't post in there)

usin dayton poly caps, swede jantzen coils, NI dayton 2% resistors 4 teh win!

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3501/picture4035qn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5428/picture4083cp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

should have more pics by friday of actual cabinet progress

Lil Poot
09-19-2005, 11:17 PM
ghetto. :lol:
hooked it up to anything yet?

PhatTonyDeMarco
09-19-2005, 11:18 PM
Homo.... :uhoh:

Cool none the less;)

req
09-19-2005, 11:20 PM
horrendous wiring :uhoh:

cant you people make some nice passive xovers with some breadboard? sheesh.

PhatTonyDeMarco
09-19-2005, 11:21 PM
horrendous wiring :uhoh:

cant you people make some nice passive xovers with some breadboard? sheesh.


When have you ever known Lemans to be associated with any form of organization?

JimJ
09-19-2005, 11:22 PM
Xover-less > perf/breadboarded xover's > Lemans.

jlaine
09-19-2005, 11:22 PM
horrendous wiring :uhoh:

cant you people make some nice passive xovers with some breadboard? sheesh.

Lol...

Give him points for the thread title...

http://www.soundillusions.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=580&c=80

There's some pretty ones I designed and assembled, if it makes you feel better... ;) :p

You should unglue and rotate one of those inductors, they are right next to each other and are in the same field...

PV Audio
09-19-2005, 11:23 PM
When have you ever known Lemans to be associated with any form of organization?
its for me, so i could care less if it's organized :)

not like you rip apart the panels everyday to look at the xover anyhow :uhoh:

PV Audio
09-19-2005, 11:25 PM
Lol...

Give him points for the thread title...

http://www.soundillusions.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=580&c=80

There's some pretty ones I designed and assembled, if it makes you feel better... ;) :p
they actually look really good man. i use the PE pc boards when assembling for other people, BUT i decided that i'd just go old school with hot glue and mdf for this :)

req
09-19-2005, 11:26 PM
well. i guess 2 points for the thread title.

but -10 points for the crappy soldering\organization.

thanks josh :p:

PV Audio
09-19-2005, 11:26 PM
Xover-less > perf/breadboarded xover's > Lemans.
i ran the dayton classics with just a SNF once.....i could have died :)

PhatTonyDeMarco
09-19-2005, 11:27 PM
Ha, lemans I just noticed Ryans quote in your sig, thats pretty **** funny...


So are they currently in use or not? Let us know how they turn out, of course...

req
09-19-2005, 11:28 PM
they actually look really good man. i use the PE pc boards when assembling for other people, BUT i decided that i'd just go old school with hot glue and mdf for this :)

apparantly because you glue is too rich for radioshack...

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=276-150

:rolleyes:

PV Audio
09-19-2005, 11:30 PM
apparantly because you glue is too rich for radioshack...

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=276-150

:rolleyes:
actually, thanks. i didn't even think about that....

PV Audio
09-19-2005, 11:31 PM
Ha, lemans I just noticed Ryans quote in your sig, thats pretty **** funny...


So are they currently in use or not? Let us know how they turn out, of course...
they will be in use HOPEFULLY by the end of october if i ever get around to getting the cabbies put together :)

req
09-19-2005, 11:33 PM
http://kahuna.sdsu.edu/~tucker/diyaudio/aeroxover3.JPG

now thats a nice little crossover. found that on google. a little old looking. but still nice and neat.

JimJ
09-19-2005, 11:34 PM
October? Slow.

Not like I'm any better...:D

PV Audio
09-19-2005, 11:47 PM
Lol...

Give him points for the thread title...

http://www.soundillusions.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=580&c=80

There's some pretty ones I designed and assembled, if it makes you feel better... ;) :p

You should unglue and rotate one of those inductors, they are right next to each other and are in the same field...
what vifas are those? people SWEAR by them, but i never caught the nombre...

Chevyaudio
09-19-2005, 11:49 PM
Give it up for Lemans, he made yet another Ghetto Piece of audio equipment.:woot:

jlaine
09-20-2005, 12:25 AM
what vifas are those? people SWEAR by them, but i never caught the nombre...

There are no vifa products in that photo...

JimJ
09-20-2005, 12:27 AM
:laugh:

Acidburn
09-20-2005, 12:54 AM
wow, those are even more retarded looking than my crossovers

azbass
09-20-2005, 12:56 AM
my breadboard skills own lemans.

JimJ
09-20-2005, 12:58 AM
Those speakers are probably screaming for someone like Ecko to come along and put them out of their misery.

:D

Loudrango112
09-20-2005, 01:02 AM
Those speakers are probably screaming for someone like Ecko to come along and put them out of their misery.

:D
:naughty:

JimJ
09-20-2005, 01:03 AM
:naughty:

You know it's true...

I'm never letting you come near any of my loudspeakers.

Ever.

Randy Savage
09-20-2005, 01:30 AM
Lemans- whatever you end up doing for a living, make sure it has no hands-on labor.

JimJ
09-20-2005, 01:36 AM
Lemans- whatever you end up doing for a living, make sure it has no hands-on labor.

Neurosurgeon?

Randy Savage
09-20-2005, 01:37 AM
Neurosurgeon?

He'd need a very good lawyer....

PV Audio
09-20-2005, 05:12 PM
There are no vifa products in that photo...
excuse me then, they look very similar to these which are QUITE popular :)

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62682

IamDeMan
09-20-2005, 05:21 PM
My statement on NOT Pm'ing you for crossover build advices wholeheartedly stands.

Jlaine, those X-overs look beauturorus.

PV Audio
09-20-2005, 05:45 PM
My statement on NOT Pm'ing you for crossover build advices wholeheartedly stands.

Jlaine, those X-overs look beauturorus.
unfortunately, you didn't even read the thread so this comment has no validity. all xovers built for people are done on PC boards, not on the bottom of the cabinet ;). didn't feel like ordering, let alone had cash to order PC boards for myself so i went back to my roots.

IamDeMan
09-20-2005, 05:56 PM
unfortunately, you didn't even read the thread so this comment has no validity. all xovers built for people are done on PC boards, not on the bottom of the cabinet ;). didn't feel like ordering, let alone had cash to order PC boards for myself so i went back to my roots.
I read the the thread. I also remember this quote.


learn before you bandwagon is all that I have to say. you have no knowledge of my true designs or abilities, so you should stop talking unless you actually know the person that you are talking to. yes thylantr is VERY, VERY knowledgeable about HA setups as i have talked to him extensively. so "getting it done" isn't really a valid excuse for shunning me.

have a good day ;)
and.


none taken, but as i build crossovers as a service and i actually care about detail vs. "getting it done", i would rethink that statement ;)

As I can see by your worklog here that you really are concerned for detail and doing it right everytime.

Like I said in that thread, I would rather listen to people who show good work instead of just talk about how they do good work.

PV Audio
09-20-2005, 06:01 PM
I read the the thread. I also remember this quote.


and.



As I can see by your worklog here that you really are concerned for detail and doing it right everytime.

Like I said in that thread, I would rather listen to people who show good work instead of just talk about how they do good work.
as a service means for a customer. unless i'm buying my own work, i don't see how that is relevant. sure i understand what you mean, however it doesn't apply here. if you'd like to see some standard pc board xovers, IM klEmnt 6648 , tehJJmazin and awdeopr1de332 and ask them to rip open their loudspeakers.

IamDeMan
09-20-2005, 06:04 PM
as a service means for a customer. unless i'm buying my own work, i don't see how that is relevant. sure i understand what you mean, however it doesn't apply here. if you'd like to see some standard pc board xovers, IM klEmnt 6648 , tehJJmazin and awdeopr1de332 and ask them to rip open their loudspeakers.
If you plan to do it as a service then your worklogs should reflect you best work regardless of whether it for you or not. It's easy for me to say I can build you the best PC, but if mine looks like a rats nest from hell and reboots evrry 10 seconds, then your not likely to buy my schpeel. Even if I told you I just don't put the same consideration into my PC as I do others. ;) Every pic and a worklog is a reflection of you no matter what excuse you choos to apply to it.

Maybe you should have made good pics of the ones you built for people and showcased them if they were so good. I shouldn't have to ask your customer to rip open their cabinets.

PV Audio
09-20-2005, 06:08 PM
If you plan to do it as a service then your worklogs should reflect you best work regardless of whether it for you or not. It's easy for me to say I can build you the best PC, but if mine looks like a rats nest from hell and reboots evrry 10 seconds, then your not likely to buy my schpeel. Even if I told you I just don't put the same consideration into my PC as I do others. ;) Every pic and a worklog is a reflection of you no matter what excuse you choos to apply to it.

Maybe you should have made good pics of the ones you built for people and showcased them if they were so good. I shouldn't have to ask your customer to rip open their cabinets.
yeah i realize what you say and i understand where u are coming from :)

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 12:00 AM
i can already tell these towers are going to own. got them nearly ready for sanding down. carpenter's wood filler is excellent. tip: don't let friends use your router and let them learn how to use it on YOUR project:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2694/picture4248yy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8987/picture4253yq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

will start the LABORIOUS sanding, caulking, sanding, priming, sanding, priming, sanding, painting, sanding, painting.........process this weekend

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 12:01 AM
differenve between t hese pics and how they are now is that the flared port hole is in effect

Acidburn
09-24-2005, 01:14 AM
i've taken shits that look better constructed than those

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 01:21 AM
i could care less as to what you say right now, but i'm 90% sure you'll take your comments back once they are completed ;)

Acidburn
09-24-2005, 01:32 AM
i could care less as to what you say right now, but i'm 90% sure you'll take your comments back once they are completed ;)
and im 100% sure i wont

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 01:35 AM
i'm pretty sure that you'll reconsider, but i can't do anything about it until it happens. so talk all the **** u want, i welcome it actually. that way, you can contrast it with the finished product ;)

skeptikal
09-24-2005, 01:38 AM
Lemans you are f*cking messy. lol sorry had to.

but i'll give him credit that he is actually attempting and making his own x-over design. even tho it looks like chit.

swc204
09-24-2005, 04:59 AM
is that bracing or what? the little things on one side on box in the corners.

JimJ
09-24-2005, 11:44 AM
is that bracing or what? the little things on one side on box in the corners.

Probably, because his RE10 box had the same thing - of course, it's in the worst possible spot for bracing, as if you want to brace the cabinet against resonance you need to do it across the girth of the cab, like the one brace that's in there already.

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 12:37 PM
yeah i was reading LDC about corner braces (always done shelf :crap:) and it seemed more beneficial so i tried it :)

squeak12
09-24-2005, 12:55 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/squeak12/lemans.jpg

How many ingredients went into the sealer you used?

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 01:00 PM
that isn't sealer....its retarded glue usage in the light orange (largest circle), more retarded glue useage (left circle), filler dust in the middle, and silicone on the right to make sure everything was up to par.

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 02:11 PM
:up2somet:

soldering, sanding, and sealing today
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1347/picture4400vv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 02:13 PM
and before you ask, the right right side on the right cabinet was stupidly placed on the driveway when my dad was washing out the garage.....and no, that TB isn't covered in filler, it is coated in saran wrap

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 05:25 PM
*licks lips* preliminary sanding DONE! all left to do before finish is to get the crossovers and wiring done, felting and foam applied and pillow filling. the other one is drying because i forgot to fill the holes :mad: :

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5308/picture4438ry.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1650/picture4441vk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8113/picture4453ex.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sanding technique: 50>80>120>150>220

wood feels like glass boieee

swc204
09-24-2005, 05:30 PM
looks alot better than your old boxes

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 05:31 PM
old as in the previous pictures? or as in jmac's mockery boxes....

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 05:32 PM
and yeah lol, i did use lowes (white) and home depot (brown) mdf together...i just noticed that

swc204
09-24-2005, 05:38 PM
old as in the previous pictures? or as in jmac's mockery boxes....
the ones in jmacs sig.

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 05:42 PM
ahh yes indeed. those weren't even glued together lol

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 05:44 PM
again, carpenter's wood filler is the best. fills screw holes like there's no tomorrow. no thinning necessary unlike plastic wood.

swc204
09-24-2005, 05:53 PM
ahh yes indeed. those weren't even glued together lol
did you screw them together? or just caulked them together? :D

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 05:55 PM
a lil of both :D

swc204
09-24-2005, 07:15 PM
a lil of both :D

kinda of off topic but do you still have that dayton titanic? How do you like it? My brothers looking for a sub for his house....

PV Audio
09-24-2005, 07:44 PM
yep i still have it. its still pounding a ridiculous amount lol. its a beast. the 15" may be a lil excessive (as i have found, but its fun as hell), so be careful.

PV Audio
09-25-2005, 12:56 PM
behold thy towers prior to thy holy rear baffle and filter installation *heavenly light shines down, people look in awe*

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1356/picture4504pz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3962/picture4518pn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/591/picture4520ku.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4452/picture4531nd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2827/picture4543mb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

coming along quite nicely if i say so humbly

SSS 18734
09-25-2005, 01:27 PM
wtf wheres the caulk?

PV Audio
09-25-2005, 01:29 PM
we grew outta caulk :)

saywhat?
09-25-2005, 02:44 PM
i still see nowhere with black shafts. oh and u still <3 teh ****

PV Audio
09-25-2005, 02:46 PM
lmao its the capacitors on the first page. and u still <3 teh fat chicks w/ horses

Range Rover
09-25-2005, 02:47 PM
Ya'll are 2 gay for words


:)

PV Audio
09-25-2005, 02:49 PM
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1347/picture4400vv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

V

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1356/picture4504pz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

swc204
09-25-2005, 05:24 PM
what are you puting in there? like what drivers and tweets.....

PV Audio
09-25-2005, 07:14 PM
dayton 6.5" classic woofer

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=295-305

tangband 3" extended midbass

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=264-810

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=260-402

PV Audio
09-25-2005, 09:31 PM
she'll be wired by 1030 :up2somet:

JimJ
09-25-2005, 09:32 PM
What are you finishing it with? Bedliner? Laminate? Jizz?

PV Audio
09-25-2005, 09:38 PM
semi gloss enamel :naughty:

swc204
09-25-2005, 09:39 PM
What are you finishing it with? Bedliner? Laminate? Jizz?
I have some if you need it.....:sneaky:

saywhat?
09-25-2005, 10:50 PM
Ya'll are 2 gay for words


:)


no need to tell us if were too gay for the things you speak. ::whispers:: wooorrrddsss

PV Audio
09-25-2005, 11:58 PM
uhh k?

PV Audio
10-01-2005, 12:05 AM
second coat of glue wash on one, first coat drying on the other :up2somet:

PV Audio
10-01-2005, 02:16 AM
ahh two coats on both...feels like glass.

PV Audio
10-07-2005, 06:36 PM
all painted, wait for pics :up2somet:

in the meantime, look at my new friend i just bought for 100 bucks

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2531/pict04837kv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

PV Audio
10-07-2005, 08:47 PM
teh suspense, no frontal nudes until o ther one is finished :D

http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/9179/pict04893xp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

PV Audio
10-07-2005, 10:15 PM
if i have ever been furious, it is right now

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3864/pict04900lo.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

THE ******* RIGHT WOOFER DOESN'T WORK. WTF!!!!

i spent DAYS perfecting that mother only to fire it up and have the STUPID CONE NOT BE POWERED. i blame it on a weak solder or something else ridiculous. regardless, this is making me so angry you have no idea. put in literally around 2 months designing and building and the right woofer doesn't work.

however, even without it, they still are the sweetest sounding diy's i have ever heard. what can i do to fix this mother? i can't take off the top (crossover was built onto it anyway), cant take off the baffle, and my arm is too small to solder safely inside of the stupid cabinet. suggestions?

Acidburn
10-07-2005, 10:20 PM
BAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAhAH **breathes** HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA

errr.. i mean... that *****

PV Audio
10-07-2005, 10:28 PM
wtf i'm so pissed, this was the pair i have been anticipating for a month now, AND THE RIGHT WOOFER DOESN'T WORK.

PV Audio
10-07-2005, 10:37 PM
someone help me out in this mother, what should i do

squeak9798
10-08-2005, 09:44 AM
Well, I think someone learned a valuable lesson here........


















ALWAYS MAKE THE CROSSOVER ACCESSIBLE


;)




Grab a DMM and find out where the power transfer stops, if possible. Then you'll be able to isolate where the problem exists.

Are you sure it's not just a bunk woofer? Have you swapped the woofers into the opposite cabinets to be sure it's the cabinet and not the woofer?




(can't believe I'm actually trying to help lemans :crap: )

See, I'm not such a bad guy all the time ;)

60ndown
10-08-2005, 10:29 AM
hopefully you tested the driver before you installed it? so you know 'it' works. its no biggie just cut the speaker up. where and how is up to you, but a little bondo and sanding and paint and youll never know.then when its open you can discover your mistake.

IamDeMan
10-08-2005, 10:57 AM
wtf i'm so pissed, this was the pair i have been anticipating for a month now, AND THE RIGHT WOOFER DOESN'T WORK.At least for once the cabinets look good mang.

PV Audio
10-08-2005, 12:32 PM
yeah squeak, i metered the entire cabinet and it is 12 ohms on the right. ripped out the woofer, woofer is fine. the problem is then obviously in the woofer section of the xover. if it were further down stream, then the entire positive or negative leads wouldn't work at all. and yes, i did learn a valuable lesson here, make the electronics accessible GOD ****.

PV Audio
10-08-2005, 01:12 PM
ayudame porfavor!

PV Audio
10-09-2005, 01:00 AM
all painted, wait for pics :up2somet:

in the meantime, look at my new friend i just bought for 100 bucks

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2531/pict04837kv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:cool:

hitachi>world

screwin together milenko's box, and this beast takes everything u throw at it like a CHAMP

azbass
10-09-2005, 01:05 AM
meh my drill is better. :)

PV Audio
10-09-2005, 01:06 AM
meh i know :)

azbass
10-09-2005, 01:08 AM
makita > you

PV Audio
10-09-2005, 01:11 AM
makita >my wallet

PV Audio
10-09-2005, 02:03 AM
alright i'm calling on caraudio.com for opinions:

1. screw this project and keep saving (i happened to have these drivers already...) for car system and eventually begin powered sub 2.5 wway cabinets

2. rip these bad boys open and try and perfect them

what is y'alls take?

azbass
10-09-2005, 03:16 AM
screw it

supa_c
10-09-2005, 03:29 AM
Beat you with a whip

azbass
10-09-2005, 03:31 AM
screw it

screw the box to your head

supa_c
10-09-2005, 03:36 AM
so harsh !

PV Audio
10-09-2005, 01:10 PM
aight screw it it is

Range Rover
10-09-2005, 01:12 PM
This whole black Lemans thing has out worn its welcome like MC Hammer..


:)

PV Audio
10-13-2005, 12:20 PM
aight since ihave the rest of this week off, i'm going to try and fix the speaker since milenko isn't around ATM for me to get my cash. so, i need suggestions on how to be able to rip this panel out and put it back in inconspicuously.

JimJ
10-13-2005, 03:59 PM
This whole black Lemans thing has out worn its welcome like MC Hammer..


:)

Lemans is too legit to quit :)

PV Audio
10-13-2005, 04:09 PM
aight since ihave the rest of this week off, i'm going to try and fix the speaker since milenko isn't around ATM for me to get my cash. so, i need suggestions on how to be able to rip this panel out and put it back in inconspicuously.
:cool: help plz

thylantyr
10-13-2005, 05:27 PM
Make another low pass crossover for the non working box, leave the bad one alone.

PV Audio
10-13-2005, 05:27 PM
ahh yes i was thinking about that, but i have no money to spend on xover parts ATM