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mikescanlon
09-17-2005, 10:54 PM
what kind of information would i need about the van.. just measurements?

i have a 6k budget for subs, amps and wood/fiberglass.

i build my own fiberglass boxes and MDF boxes from plans..

i want a plan for the van that would give me the highest spl output... with any speaker arrangement/port locations/anything you want to make it put out sound.


so. very open to suggestions on subwoofer placement/port placement/ subwoofer brand.

req
09-17-2005, 11:06 PM
if it were me. i would first find out what class im aiming at, and what orginization its in.

get a rulebook, read up on everything, and then figure out what kind of equipment will give you the largest edge. then look into buying it and get some paper\calculator\time, and start doing calculations.

because 6k is an awfly lot. and if you get a buddy that knows a hell of alot (ive got a few now :) ) and ask a ton of questions, im sure you will learn mighty quick.

ruckus
09-17-2005, 11:16 PM
[QUOTE=req]if it were me. i would first find out what class im aiming at, and what orginization its in.

get a rulebook,QUOTE]

x 2

different organizations have different rules, like how close you can put the subs to the front in certain classes. What you are and are not allowed to do in box height or modifications to the vehicle itself.

You gonna be hitting all the daytona competitions or the local carshowking (unsanctioned) crap.

PhatTonyDeMarco
09-17-2005, 11:18 PM
if it were me. i would first find out what class im aiming at, and what orginization its in.

get a rulebook, read up on everything, and then figure out what kind of equipment will give you the largest edge. then look into buying it and get some paper\calculator\time, and start doing calculations.

because 6k is an awfly lot. and if you get a buddy that knows a hell of alot (ive got a few now :) ) and ask a ton of questions, im sure you will learn mighty quick.


Did I miss where he said he is going to compete?

ruckus
09-17-2005, 11:21 PM
Did I miss where he said he is going to compete?
thats the question now isnt it ;)

JimJ
09-17-2005, 11:24 PM
He said "highest SPL possible"...that leads me to believe he's competing.

Otherwise...why go for that :D

mikescanlon
09-18-2005, 09:07 AM
yeah,i'm going for competition.

i have 4x12 full fiberglass enclosure in my eclipse with 4 SPL3000's and 4 SPL 3000 amps in there also the four channel 600wpremier amp and all REV high+mid's components.. that thing metered at 145...

each sub has 1.9 cubes sealed facing skywards behind the rear seat... it's full fiberglass 9 layers.

i know a little something about car audio : )

i want that one for my daily driver.. i want to hit like 160+ with this one.. i know thats not an easy number, but i have some cash and i have plenty of time and patience and skills for building about anything as far as wood/fiberglass/welding metal goes..

but on the other hand i know i'm not the most educated here, and alot of people know alot more than me, i wanted some tips.. i'm gonna read up on that other stuff now.

i was planing on hitting the daytona shows/orlando/miami... we get shows in west palm beach here like once in a blue moon.. and there are a bunch of local car shops running thier bull **** all the time..

i plan to open a car audio shop eventually, if everything works out.. so i want to be able to smash the compition with this old *** van...

i'm gonna read up some more on the rules for what a van falls into...

my eclipse falls into the stock division for the iasca : ) so it should kill once a compition comes down this way. : )

mikescanlon
09-18-2005, 09:10 AM
i read up on it.. due to this 9 seater van being turned into a 2 seater.... i fall into the ultimate class... so : ) hit it up, no holds barred : )

ruckus
09-18-2005, 09:18 AM
i was planing on hitting the daytona shows/orlando/miami... we get shows in west palm beach here like once in a blue moon.. and there are a bunch of local car shops running thier bull **** all the time..


Have yet to see a sanctioned show down here in Miami. Daytona seems the be the furthest south place they have sanctioned shows where you can actually get points towards the finals.



also if you do open a shop, you might be able to sponser iasca events in WPB which will be good for me since I wont drive to daytona from south side of Miami ;)

mikescanlon
09-18-2005, 10:41 AM
i meant just like little shows where you can show off, i'm not trying to make a career SPL guy.. if that happens : ) but not what i want.. i just want to make some waves and be heard i guess.

thus the not-normal van to build from : )

JimJ
09-18-2005, 01:38 PM
Not normal...hey, I drive a cargo van as well :D Then again, I'm not...normal.

:)

mikescanlon
09-18-2005, 07:58 PM
i measured the space.. i have 5 deep by 4 wide, by 5 tall... if i build a removeable box... which i dont care if it's removed or not, this car cost me 525 bucks total out the door. TTT, so it's not a loss : )


i was thinking i could line the walls/roof/floor with fiberglass, like completely to obtain the most airspace possible, 9 layers all the way around.. then wall off the interior with MDF to make individual chambers... is this possible/feasible? i'm pretty good with fiberglass like i said before... but that'd be **** near 20 gallons of resin?.. not sure if i want to spend 600 dollars on just resin...

so maybe a 5x4x5 solid MDF box with standard box building techniques <screws/glue/45 degree corners> it'd be better?

SPL only.. anyone have subwoofer suggestions? 4x18's? i have 100 squarefeet of displacement.. if i did that right? 5x4x5? = 100.

what kind of brands? amplification?

i have a leftover 220v alt from the eclipse project that just wouldn't fit.. it should fit here, the engine bay has a good amount of space where the alternator goes... haev two yellow tops.. and one redtop that i picked up today.

started shaving the van today too : ) roll pan should be on by next sunday, got rid of that fugly fugly bumper...

i'll have some pics up by next sunday too, this project has been alot more fun than the eclipse already : )

req
09-18-2005, 08:53 PM
first thing id do, is hit up www.weldingsupply.com and get a roll of 0awg.

then id scoop a few kinetikHC2400's and make a nice cell outta them. id see if i could also fit that 220AMP alt in the engine too, thatd help much.

then id prolly go ahead and lay a fat slab of concrete across the entire floor of the van like an inch or two thick. find a place to put your batteries and wire (under the cabin for the 0awg id go for) and try and bolt your grounds to the chassis of the car, and cover with some corrosion stopping stuff (id put some secondskin spectrum\sludge on there lol)

lets see, then id make a box, that goes from the B pillars back to just before the end of the van, as high\wide as possible. itd prolly be 1.5" thick (two layers of .75" MDF for each wall). the rear wall would prolly have a hollow 4" deep chamber that id fill with concrete, and then id screw the top on to make it solid. the baffle would be as deep as the port would need. id prolly look into eaither digital designs 9515\17's, audioque 15's, or possibly a new woofer comming out locally by elevation audio (a new SPL driver via TC sounds)... then id look into getting some big *** amps (4kw each or more) and run them to each speaker. tons of 4x4 bracing inside, all rounded corners inside, and then fiberglass the face of the box to the roof\walls\floor to completly seal off the cab from the box\rear of the vheicle. then sounddeaden the **** out of it with tons of SS sludge - and if you are up for it, build a whole new dashboard\floor\doopanels and reinfoce the windows, and get some nice door clamps to hold them shut too.

lots of stuff goes into designing the box internals. but everything else is pretty easy, but time consuming.

mikescanlon
09-18-2005, 09:59 PM
i have 4 rolls of fatmat.. i have something similar to that sludge.. it's pretty much pourable rubber.

i've heard about concrete before.. is that a sound withholder? should i lay lead pieces inside the wet concrete so it's reinforced with lead? <lead is the strongest sound withholder.. i believe>.... they use lead in the PA cabinets from JBL to get the sound to project forwards instead of behind the woofer cabinets.

i was planing to concrete the sides as well where all the panels used to be.. like theres interior and exterior metal.. or is that too much stuff for nothing?


the subs you suggested aren't in production? i cant find them..
also i cant find kinetikHC2400' and i dont know what that is : )

i've heard alot of hype about the alpine type r.. and being 275 bucks a pair shipped, seems like a feasible solution for drivers.. would they work good for my application?

req
09-18-2005, 10:30 PM
http://www.kinetikaudio.com/ - PM audiolife about them, he might be able to hook you up (possibly)

look around for SPL subs, maybe kicker soloX subs would work in thuis application. and for over 160db - i highly doubt the type r can fit into this application without blowing up every run.
possibly? VV
http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-Design-15-Subs-Awesome-SPL-Subwoofers-Speakers_W0QQitemZ5810239063QQcategoryZ18804QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/KICKER-SOLO-X-18-SUBWOOFER-S18X-2-OHM-NEW-2004_W0QQitemZ5809698219QQcategoryZ18805QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

sides, just brace with threaded rod and nuts or some good ol' 4x4's and lagbolts with pre-drilled holes. that should be more than enough for the sides. only floor\rear for concrete.

and get your resin from http://www.uscomposites.com/polyesters.html

"EB General Purpose Polyester Resin - SM-EB0500 - 5 Gallon - $73.50"

pretty cheap, you might be able to get a really nice deal on a 50gal drum - shipping is gonna be killer though.

singlesubsetup
09-18-2005, 11:19 PM
**** req you know your **** <thumbs up> :D

mikescanlon
09-18-2005, 11:57 PM
50 fricken gallons of resin! holy ****, amazing price on that resin though... **** been looking online, they all sell 31+ dollars a gallon, cheapest 5 gallon was 125 i think?

and dude, you sure do know your ****..

i wanna steer away from kicker, i cant see myself spending over 500 on a sub for those solox... considering i'd need at least 4 of em..


i'd love to go with 4 xxx 15's.. but they're soo fricken hard to find.. did they stop production?

last time i saw one in action was over a year ago, and that is the only subwoofer that has ever made me just feel sick from sitting in the car.

wow, i just checked out the resin link.. they are like a 5 minute drive from here, so it's gonna be 75 bucks out the door no shipping!! : ) no 20 dollar dangerous materials shipping charge. : ) woot

is the 'spl' brand worth anything, 750 bucks for a 3000w amp + 2 x12's

http://theauto.zoovy.com/product/SPLW12D3K?META=froogle-SPLW12D3K

there?

maybe that x 2 + huge ported airspace = good

i'm going to buy the concrete tommarow from abc.. also going to get concrete sheets to throw in there first and bolt those down to the metal.. then pour the cement on top so the cement has somethign to adhere to instead of a metal deck. <i'm a roofing contractor/carpenter>

the cement in the rear of the enclosure pushes the sound towards the windshield?

thanks for your help.

LBX2G
09-19-2005, 12:04 AM
50 fricken gallons of resin! holy ****, amazing price on that resin though... **** been looking online, they all sell 31+ dollars a gallon, cheapest 5 gallon was 125 i think?

and dude, you sure do know your ****..

i wanna steer away from kicker, i cant see myself spending over 500 on a sub for those solox... considering i'd need at least 4 of em..


i'd love to go with 4 xxx 15's.. but they're soo fricken hard to find.. did they stop production?

last time i saw one in action was over a year ago, and that is the only subwoofer that has ever made me just feel sick from sitting in the car.

wow, i just checked out the resin link.. they are like a 5 minute drive from here, so it's gonna be 75 bucks out the door no shipping!! : ) no 20 dollar dangerous materials shipping charge. : ) woot

is the 'spl' brand worth anything, 750 bucks for a 3000w amp + 2 x12's

http://theauto.zoovy.com/product/SPLW12D3K?META=froogle-SPLW12D3K

there?

maybe that x 2 + huge ported airspace = good

i'm going to buy the concrete tommarow from abc.. also going to get concrete sheets to throw in there first and bolt those down to the metal.. then pour the cement on top so the cement has somethign to adhere to instead of a metal deck. <i'm a roofing contractor/carpenter>

the cement in the rear of the enclosure pushes the sound towards the windshield?

thanks for your help.

yeah RE stopped production on there xxx line cus the new ones are suppose to come out soom.

req
09-19-2005, 12:10 AM
the XXX is not for SPL man.

you are looking for a SPL sub, and if you think youd need more than TWO soloX 18's - you my friend, are mistaken.

look for RE MT's, digital designs 95 series, kicker solox's, treo CSX's, beyond audio inhumans - REAL SPL subs. and no, i wouldnt waste my money on SPL brand equipment for an install like this.

and btw, i hate you for living near uscomposites. ***.

as for concrete, it makes the box not flex, so i guess yes, it pushes waves to the front. same thing as if you put 6+ pieces of .75" mdf on the back. you want your back and front walls really thick.

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 12:36 AM
concrete is cheaper than MDF... for now.. maybe not in a few months since the shortages and my van has plenty of torque.. so i'm not worried about power with the weight, so for sure on that concrete...

the solox seems to be the only subwoofer you suggested that they actually produce and you can buy it at a dealer or someplace... maybe i'm wrong.. but the treo website says no dealers.. the digital designs i cant find a website for on google.. nor will it produce results from froogle.. and the beyond audio inhumans are also fruitless on google/froogle

maybe i'm missing something.

looking more at that solox and it's looking pretty tasty. claims a 5000w rms per voicecoil, 10k max

put one amp per voicecoil?

it's claiming a needed 10 cubes per subwoofer.. what kind of amplifier could put out 5000watts rms?

and i checked and the 220 alternator will fit.. i just need to make a bracket for it.

i like thsoe batteries you sent me to<req>, i'm going to get one of those to go with my yellow tops/red top and see how i like it though, sounds too good to be true.. 2800 cranking amps... science rocks.

i'll tune these things way high for spl and then put 1x10 in the dash with the components so i can have some SQ for driving the van around for some tunes
maybe some regular ole kicker comps.

req
09-19-2005, 12:44 AM
lol dude. there is no daily driving in a car like this. we are talking eaisly 160db if you do everything right. theres no driving around lol.

as far as the 5kw per coil, for BURPS, thats no problem. they can prolly handle like 5kw daily (turn the gains down or somthin and roll the volume down)...

but a pair of solox18's in a 20 cube wall tuned in the mid 40's~mid 50's would be killer. what you want to do, is build the wall (only guesstimate so its roughly 30 cubes or so, dont go overboard) and then make a baffle that is like 4~6" thick, and calculate how much port area you can fit and what the tuning will be if its a 4~6" port depth wise.

you do NOT want a 'wall' inside the box for the port. we want the port to be jsut shallow enough.

as far as the batteries, id suggest getting like 4 of them, and getting rid of the yellowtops and call it a day with the redtop under the hood and a batt isolater.

and for some reason digital designs site is down, and beyond audio is out of buisness. you can prolyl email treo and ask for a price on the CSX. but id rather scoop a solox myself.

this install will be 'all in the box' dude. you dont hit 160 without a well thought out box and knowledge of how to make it loud.

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 06:10 AM
i should go with a 4-6 inch deep round port is what you're saying? i'm going to make some plans... this vehicle has mid-mount engine, so the battery is in the middle of the chassis in the floor, i was planing to put the other batteries right next to it, and the amps in the front too on a plywood on the floor... becasue the engine bay opens up inside the cabin area.. and i cant obstruct that.

the box will have to be like 4 feet away from the dash.

i built abox in my box generator
it comes out to be 48x48x30 inches... 29 cubes with 1.5 inch thick wood after 4x4's inside and 45's in teh corners .. i'll bring it down to ~20 cubes...

on the rear i'll add the concrete wall section on the outside of the box... should i lay a slab of concrete on the inside of the box? do you put polyfill in spl only applications?



it calls for a 15 inch port that is 8 inches deep for 50 hz.. wtf pwn that **** is huge.

would i want that on the same surface as the subwoofers.. would i want the subwoofers all on the front surface?


i'm going to pick at your brain until you stop awnsering : )

thanks,
mike

skeptikal
09-19-2005, 02:32 PM
if you can face all the subwoofers to the front of the car along with the port as that's where the meter will be ;P

mega1268
09-19-2005, 03:58 PM
Well personally RE mt 18's are only like 300-400 bucks for a decent used 1. theres 2 on ebay right now that i would jump on. I have no idea what kinda amps ur planning on running. U should prob start thinking about that pretty soon lol considering thats gonna be alot of money. Prob like 4 orion 2500d's can be under 2 gs that will give u about 10kw. And wtf is froogle?

mega1268
09-19-2005, 04:00 PM
or what about 2 18 inch Sx's or 4 15 inch sx's. That seems alot cheaper then 2 Solo x's. but ive heard great things about those solo x's.

InhumanAcura
09-19-2005, 04:08 PM
**** req you know your **** <thumbs up> :D

*has massive coronary*

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 06:10 PM
go to google.com and where you see images/news/other ****.. you'll see froogle up there..

pretty much you search it and it will give you 100's of websites selling that product at whatever price they have it for, and you can find where it's cheapest online.

if it's not on ebay or froogle, you probably cant buy it too easily.

http://froogle.google.com/frghp?hl=en&tab=wf&q=

i can put everything on the front of the box pretty easily.. it'll be ugly, but beauty certainly isn't the goal here : )

a pair of orion2500d's will get me where i wanna go though?

i could add another pair later if it doesn't :naughty:

mega1268
09-19-2005, 06:21 PM
if ur getting 2 solo x 18's ur gonna probley want more. Ive seen a Kx1200.1 to each coil of a 18 and it barley moved it. It felt like u were getting punched in the stomach but it can take so much more.

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 06:25 PM
is there any single amp that puts out 5kW?

edit: did some research, besides the goliath.. i dont want to pay 1700 bucks per amplifier..

is there any reliable online companys that build amplifiers that just dont have a real huge name yet?

i dont mind paying a pretty penny.. but not that much money per amp when i need like 4

InhumanAcura
09-19-2005, 06:29 PM
is there any single amp that puts out 5kW?

yes, quite a few..

hifonics
jbl
us amps
fusion
etc

mega1268
09-19-2005, 07:22 PM
i still think Orion 2500d's is the cheapest way. for 800 dollers u can get 5Kw

mega1268
09-19-2005, 07:24 PM
maybe look into these http://cgi.ebay.com/v4000xd-VISONIK-4000-W-digital-amp-v-4000xd-amplifier_W0QQitemZ5810279548QQcategoryZ18797QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem
i know its prolly not the highest quality. but 4kw not to bad,

mega1268
09-19-2005, 07:28 PM
just buy 2 of these sets and u should be ok. could always add on another 2500 or 2.
http://cgi.ebay.com/KICKER-COMBO-1-KX2500-1-2-SOLOX-12-S12X2-BL-WOUT_W0QQitemZ5810027244QQcategoryZ79829QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 07:30 PM
thank you everyone for your suggestions/help taking the time to help another guy... making a box plan in my generator now.. i think it will be best to have two completly seperate boxes.. that are bolted together in the car.... i'll paintshop what i mean.

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 07:45 PM
the visonik is "Bridgeable with second Class X Amplifier " hmmmmmmmm that might be good stuff.

4kw at 17vdc...

3500 at 12vdc.

cheap price for 4kw.. bet the quality *****, thats what i want, as long as it doens't blow up while it's burping, i'll be happy : )

i also found this one: SPL brand amplifier.. i know somoene said steer clear from SPL brand.. but i think that was just for the subwoofers... are the amps any good?

http://store.yahoo.com/discave/z1splclasddi1.html?source=froogle&kw=Z1X-3000D

10 watts for a dollar shipped sounds like gravy to me.

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 08:15 PM
<img src="http://photobucket.com/albums/a141/mikescanlon11/?action=view&current=pickone.jpg">

that should work.. i think

if not here http://photobucket.com/albums/a141/mikescanlon11/?action=view&current=pickone.jpg

edit: guess i dont know how to put images up... either way, pick a design A, B, or C.. most votes gets the win.. then i'll design the specifics of it as far as size goes.. but they are just different designs.. i'll use the same volume per sub no matter what <12 cubes> and be porting to 50 hz.

DiamondFanatic
09-19-2005, 08:19 PM
I would deffinitly look into doing 2 Solo X 18's. They're insane. You can strap 2 kicker KX 2500.1's to each one of them, and that would get you loud for sure. There's probably a cheaper way to get the power for them too... like the hifonics. Someone on the forum here had 2 18's for sale.. you should see if he still does.

InhumanAcura
09-19-2005, 08:19 PM
the visonik is "Bridgeable with second Class X Amplifier " hmmmmmmmm that might be good stuff.

4kw at 17vdc...

3500 at 12vdc.

cheap price for 4kw.. bet the quality *****, thats what i want, as long as it doens't blow up while it's burping, i'll be happy : )

i also found this one: SPL brand amplifier.. i know somoene said steer clear from SPL brand.. but i think that was just for the subwoofers... are the amps any good?

http://store.yahoo.com/discave/z1splclasddi1.html?source=froogle&kw=Z1X-3000D

10 watts for a dollar shipped sounds like gravy to me.

the 4000d isnt strappable, they just use the same manual to save money..i believe its the 2000d that is strappable.

XtrmAudioCncpts
09-19-2005, 08:23 PM
maybe a bit out of budget but is SICK!

http://fresnoracing.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18329

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 08:25 PM
those douchebags at visonik.. still thats 4kw per VC if i dont strap em.... 16kw.. that'll power a ****in small house.

this SPL brand amplifier.. i know somoene said steer clear from SPL brand.. but i think that was just for the subwoofers... are the amps any good?

http://store.yahoo.com/discave/z1spl...e&kw=Z1X-3000D

still looks like my best bet.. i dont want to pay for the quality of the hifonics or US amps.. when i'm making a burp machine that just has to make noise.

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 08:28 PM
NICE build on those 8's, i bet the SQ isn't too bad either.. besides not being able to hear the highs.

looks really professional.

is that amp rack in the engine bay? or is that where a passenger seat goes and i'm looking at it the wrong way.. there isn't much other places in the car.

LBX2G
09-19-2005, 09:21 PM
spl amps succcccccccccc. THey will not do there rated power.

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 09:56 PM
pretty much the same as california profile?

req
09-19-2005, 10:13 PM
*has massive coronary*

lol i never claimed i knew everything. but i know how to prep a spl car. im not saying i know the **** physics of the box "tuning" yet. :up2somet:

mega1268
09-19-2005, 10:14 PM
i woudlent get the SPL brand but i know visonik isent the most reliable company but 4000 watts is 4000 watts. Sq isent a factor here ya know. Who cares if it does 10% Thd lol. JK but i think u get 1-2of those per solo X u will be rocking. but like every1 said. U can get all the watts and all the subs in the world. ITs really gonna come down to the box building.

mikescanlon
09-19-2005, 10:26 PM
visonik is probably gonna be it.

the build is the thing i'm most.. excited i guess.. about right now : ) bought the sludge and the resin today 5 gallons of each... i'm gonna pick em both up at ups on saturday.. got my rolls of sound deadener.. gonna do the cieling too.

i want to deaden it first.. then lay the cement so i can drivepin the box into the cement... also bought 50 pounds of polyfill.

anyone wanna vote on the ABC plan thing? http://photobucket.com/albums/a141/mikescanlon11/ also theres my other fiberglass work... nothing finished product though... the last pic in there, the paintshop thing is the different plans for each of the two boxes for the 18's

dbornotdb
09-20-2005, 10:40 AM
Some of your drawings are way off of what I feel they should be.

Your not thinking serious SPL box I don't think.

And if you lived closer, I would love to help you out in building this. I want to one day, just no time.



Anyway, here is my quick drawing. In the angled pic, it shows a 6" baffle where the subs are mounted. I left the port part out so you could see how it makes the ports length up without adding a port wall in there for the side.



http://www.tsgearheads.com/files/thumbs/t_spl_box_175.jpg




Anyone feel free to make adjustments to my drawing.

req
09-20-2005, 11:20 AM
db, that drawing is exactally what ive been trying to describe :p:

the port is the depth of the baffle (~6"), and the entire DRIVER SIDE (important) of the box. the subs go on the far left side, the bottom\back are filled with concrete. look to make it about 25 cubes before displacement - and keep adding thickness (ie, a piece of wood) to the back side of the baffle or the back wall of the inside of the box until you peak in SPL.

req
09-20-2005, 11:21 AM
visonik is probably gonna be it.

the build is the thing i'm most.. excited i guess.. about right now : ) bought the sludge and the resin today 5 gallons of each... i'm gonna pick em both up at ups on saturday.. got my rolls of sound deadener.. gonna do the cieling too.

i want to deaden it first.. then lay the cement so i can drivepin the box into the cement... also bought 50 pounds of polyfill.

anyone wanna vote on the ABC plan thing? http://photobucket.com/albums/a141/mikescanlon11/ also theres my other fiberglass work... nothing finished product though... the last pic in there, the paintshop thing is the different plans for each of the two boxes for the 18's

wtf? do not even think about doing an ABC box or adding polyfill. if you have a pair of solox18's and a few 4kw amps, you BETTER not be doing anything but a large *** ported box tuned high. :furious:

skeptikal
09-20-2005, 02:41 PM
Visonik amps aren't bad quality at all. Kinda like power acoustik in a sense. good "bang for the buck" I guess.

mikescanlon
09-20-2005, 06:00 PM
i'm not a big spl builder like i said.. i played with the eclipse and ended up with a respectable score.. built a bunch of systems before.. but never anything on this large of a scale..

thank you guys for more contributions, trying to learn.. even on this forum, not alot of people build just SPL cars.

also i cant see the picture anymore.. i guess it expired or something?

if you could email it to mikescanlon11@yahoo.com that'd be great : )

okay thanks. : )

skeptikal
09-21-2005, 10:53 AM
good luck with your project and remember this forum is obsessed with pics so make sure you throw some pictures up