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nissanrider06
08-14-2005, 11:12 AM
ok I can do 1 12 in a 4 cubic foot box in the trunk of my car or 2 12's in a 4ft box, I think maybe the 1 12 would be louder because some ppl hit 150 with one? i dont though, what do u guys think?

geezy21unc
08-14-2005, 11:46 AM
power???

nissanrider06
08-14-2005, 02:50 PM
i havnt bought an amp yet, im looking at the viper that does 1200 @ 1 ohm

GTonDubs
08-15-2005, 01:52 AM
i just did a Type R 12" in a 4 cubic foot enclosure at a 36hz tuning 1000w RMS v12 amp, we took it to the shop we got the sub from, let them hear it, they says its near 150db
i think mid 140's we'll know for sure on sept 3rd
not bad for SQL with a $150 sub
you can hear him coming for like 5 minutes

geezy21unc
08-15-2005, 02:14 AM
i just did a Type R 12" in a 4 cubic foot enclosure at a 36hz tuning 1000w RMS v12 amp, we took it to the shop we got the sub from, let them hear it, they says its near 150db
i think mid 140's we'll know for sure on sept 3rd
not bad for SQL with a $150 sub
you can hear him coming for like 5 minutes
another TYPE R witness....again.....

Bluntman420
08-15-2005, 02:17 AM
i just did a Type R 12" in a 4 cubic foot enclosure at a 36hz tuning 1000w RMS v12 amp, we took it to the shop we got the sub from, let them hear it, they says its near 150db
i think mid 140's we'll know for sure on sept 3rd
not bad for SQL with a $150 sub
you can hear him coming for like 5 minutes
wtf??? it sounded like it was 150db...lmao...sounds like a reputable shop

geezy21unc
08-15-2005, 02:19 AM
wtf??? it sounded like it was 150db...lmao...sounds like a reputable shop
???:eyebrow:

nissanrider06
08-15-2005, 03:08 AM
so 1 type r in a 4 foot box or 2 type-r's in 4 ft box.(is 2 getting 2 cubes better than 1 getting 4 cubes?

geezy21unc
08-15-2005, 03:38 AM
so 1 type r in a 4 foot box or 2 type-r's in 4 ft box.(is 2 getting 2 cubes better than 1 getting 4 cubes?
you can do great numbers with jus 1 sub.... 4.0 cub, 1 sub, alotta juice

bimma85
08-15-2005, 03:41 AM
wtf??? it sounded like it was 150db...lmao...sounds like a reputable shop
mid 40s-50s.... that not much difference. :D

geezy21unc
08-15-2005, 03:54 AM
i havnt bought an amp yet, im looking at the viper that does 1200 @ 1 ohm
if you want crazy numbers , go with a 1500d....

Skip2MyLude
08-15-2005, 06:45 AM
Man, i guest my Type R won't perform to its fullest protential with my 1.8 cubic feet sloted box tune to 32hz. My trunk is to blame!:mad:

cjjackson85
08-15-2005, 06:57 AM
Solution: Wall off your backseat...

ighettoboyi
08-15-2005, 02:15 PM
and w/ 4 ft^3 it's still musical?? i really dont see how this 'magical' sub is so versatile in terms of enclosures

GTonDubs
08-16-2005, 12:48 PM
the enclosure i just build for the type R 12" has awsome sound quality unbelievable for a $150 sub, and a crazy amount of SPL (this is in my friends car)
a sub box that big is not musical when its tuned high other than that when tuned 30-40 hz or even below, earthshattering bass
-knock all your nieghbors pictures off there wall bass
-set off every car alarm in your radius bass
-useless rear view mirrior cause it wont stay up bass
-the muthaF just spilled my drink bass ****it i hate it when that happens

GTonDubs
08-16-2005, 01:03 PM
the sub is not magical,
its all about doubling the size of the manufactorerers suggested box,
cause thats when you get some real output, there suggestions is the bare minimum, and a selling point ("less space") basicly, it may not sound good but it will play in there)
1 12" type R in a 4 foot vented enclosure tuned to 36 hz will out perform 2 type R's in a 4 foot enclosure tuned to 36 (SPL anyways) 2 subs in the same space as the one will smooth out the curve
its all about the sensitivity ya heard
alot of people are skeptical about this "the manufactor says this that blah", but if you heard the one R 10" i did in a 2.5 cubic foot box, and the one R 12" in the 4-- most wouldn't be able to sleep at night

heres an example, my elcipse ti says it will go in a 2 foot vented enclosure or some ****,
when i called eclipse, "it will go in 2.0 but optimum is 4.75--- wow, good thing i dont care about space thats a bit of a diffence,
experiment and see, its how you can make 1 $150 sub make people jaws drop

GTonDubs
08-16-2005, 01:09 PM
if you want the loudest type R 12 do this
1 R 12" in a 5 cubic foot enclosure tuned to 55 hz, it will not play music but with a 12db sensitivity gain at 57 hz, you'll be taken mutha f'as out in the street a class at the db drag
1000w amp on each vc

80INCHES
08-16-2005, 03:05 PM
what about 2 type r 12's in a bandpass box tuned at 60hz with one orion 1200d....u think that will hit some good numbers

80
does anyone have the t/s parameters for the type r 12's

GTonDubs
08-16-2005, 06:12 PM
i got almost all the params for 1242 (dual 4 ohm coils)
QTS-0.47
VAS-45.3
FS-29hz
RE-1.85 ohm
LE-1.67
xmax-18.2
Z-4ohm x2
QMS-7.89
QES-0.50
SPL-85db
BL- N/A
SD-74.4

for $150 (179.00 at best buy) these subs dont really have anything comparable at the price range, unless you find some higher model woofer for cheap
i know you can get them for like $100 on the net, but the warrentee is to risky, because alpine does not authorize internet sale of there product except crutchfield- so it wouldn't actually be sent in and fixed, the online company would just have to give you a new woofer which is cool, but are they actually going to do it, could the company afoord to ship out a whole new woofer, when you spent $100 on it? who knows

the only sub i found in the range that outperformd (db wise) it in a smaller vented box was the MTX thunder 8000 which you can get for like $100 now but it used to be a $200 woofer before they put them on close out for so cheap, some one needs to pick up like 10 of those 8000's and they would have a large SPL setup for cheap

King_Of_Da_Souf
08-17-2005, 12:41 AM
not to thread jack or anything but what about a single 15, what would be the optimum size and tuning for great numbers and some sound quality......... what about dual 15's, i have a caprice and some space that needs occupying.

geezy21unc
08-17-2005, 01:17 AM
if you want the loudest type R 12 do this
1 R 12" in a 5 cubic foot enclosure tuned to 55 hz, it will not play music but with a 12db sensitivity gain at 57 hz, you'll be taken mutha f'as out in the street a class at the db drag
1000w amp on each vc
you dont tune R'z high like that...:laugh: anyone with good experience with the TYPE R will tell you not to....:laugh: ....but if all u want is a FART. then so be it.... i guarantee a TYPE R will not only be loud but sound good as well tuned hella lower, but power wise, oh yeah 1000W to each coil....nice...like T.I. says BE EASY on the gains shawty......

GTonDubs
08-17-2005, 02:05 AM
you dont tune R'z high like that...:laugh: anyone with good experience with the TYPE R will tell you not to....:laugh: ....but if all u want is a FART. then so be it.... i guarantee a TYPE R will not only be loud but sound good as well tuned hella lower, but power wise, oh yeah 1000W to each coil....nice...like T.I. says BE EASY on the gains shawty......

that is for an SPL only setup man, i would n't ever tune a daily for anything like that so you can stop laughing i make sq boxes with a ton of SPL im talkin about strictly competeing and getting the most DB's out of it if you want to win
thats just to play one tone if you want to compete thats how they do it, well the people that usually win, not all the time though
and the reason tuned so high is because it will be louder, higher frequencies take less power than it does to make lower frequencies at the same db level

and i have very good experiance with the type R btw

Johnston_2007
08-18-2005, 07:40 PM
so would 2 kicker 12" L7's with 1 nine.1 out do the 1 alpine type r....the kicker box size is 32" wide x 14" tall x 28" deep.....i really dont know what its tuned to becuase kicker sayed this was the highest spl box design for my car trunk. but i was just wondering.

swaptrex
08-18-2005, 10:40 PM
wtf??? it sounded like it was 150db...lmao...sounds like a reputable shop
yeah, havent you heard?? instead of using a termlab you just see how much your ears hurt after....very effective.:uhoh:

geezy21unc
08-18-2005, 10:46 PM
that is for an SPL only setup man, i would n't ever tune a daily for anything like that so you can stop laughing i make sq boxes with a ton of SPL im talkin about strictly competeing and getting the most DB's out of it if you want to win
thats just to play one tone if you want to compete thats how they do it, well the people that usually win, not all the time though
and the reason tuned so high is because it will be louder, higher frequencies take less power than it does to make lower frequencies at the same db level

and i have very good experiance with the type R btw
tight work man , tight work , btw i aint hatin on u....jus had to adrerss that issue, and pikk ur brain

GTonDubs
08-23-2005, 03:17 AM
not to thread jack or anything but what about a single 15, what would be the optimum size and tuning for great numbers and some sound quality......... what about dual 15's, i have a caprice and some space that needs occupying.

2 15"s you got some room do like 8 cubic feet at 35 hz with as much power as you can put to them and you have people shitting themselves
but if your going to underpower the pair you are better off getting only 1 and giving it full power

Bluntman420
08-23-2005, 03:21 AM
yeah, havent you heard?? instead of using a termlab you just see how much your ears hurt after....very effective.:uhoh:
i could only imagine:crazy:

nissanrider06
08-23-2005, 04:05 AM
So then everyone agrees, 1 12inch R in a 4 ft enclosure will be louder than 2 in a 4 ft enclosure?

GTonDubs
08-23-2005, 04:08 AM
for sure
i just did it in my friends camry
man im tellin you when people hear his **** they are like "oh my god"
im not exagerating in any way
for $150 sub its st8 nuts

fo0manchu
08-23-2005, 04:11 AM
so would making the box bigger only appy in a ported enclosure? or will you notice gains with a sealed box as well?

Skip2MyLude
08-23-2005, 07:10 AM
so would making the box bigger only appy in a ported enclosure? or will you notice gains with a sealed box as well?
i wouldn't think it would be wise to make a bigger sealed box then what's recommended unlike a ported box.

iagrdshaka
08-24-2005, 04:24 PM
we took it to the shop we got the sub from, let them hear it, they says its near 150db
i think mid 140's we'll know for sure on sept 3rd

you can hear him coming for like 5 minutes

nice score then :laugh: ...5minutes huh? :laugh:

nissanrider06
08-24-2005, 06:06 PM
So then everyone agrees, 1 12inch R in a 4 ft enclosure will be louder than 2 in a 4 ft enclosure????

bimma85
08-24-2005, 06:09 PM
So then everyone agrees, 1 12inch R in a 4 ft enclosure will be louder than 2 in a 4 ft enclosure????
that is HUUUUGGGGEEE!

nissanrider06
08-24-2005, 06:16 PM
so which one will be loudest??? I need answers!!! lol

nikosbuddy
08-24-2005, 06:18 PM
people keep beating around the bush with ya.....lol

Patrick Simmons
08-24-2005, 06:21 PM
Imo your bass will be real loose and a little uncontrollable. Most ppl use sealed to get better sq but that will work against you with a box that big.

nissanrider06
08-24-2005, 06:27 PM
lol so which will be louder 1 12inch R in a 4 ft enclosure will be louder than 2 in a 4 ft enclosure????
This thread has 37 posts and NO answers to the orginal thread question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Patrick Simmons
08-24-2005, 06:33 PM
My vote is 2 add more power though

nissanrider06
08-24-2005, 06:56 PM
another useless post... lol so which will be louder 1 12inch R in a 4 ft enclosure will be louder than 2 in a 4 ft enclosure????
This thread has 37 posts and NO answers to the orginal thread question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

swoosh
08-24-2005, 07:01 PM
rofls

nissanrider06
08-25-2005, 02:13 AM
another useless post... lol so which will be louder 1 12inch R in a 4 ft enclosure will be louder than 2 in a 4 ft enclosure????
This thread has 42 posts and NO answers to the orginal thread question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dustinr
08-25-2005, 02:15 AM
possibly just the 12' depending on the vehicle and how it's set up.. it all comes down to the build.. Honestly.. I'd just go with the 2 12's.. I think they would give you plenty of sound.. and it would be atlot easier on the sub(s) for daily driving.. goodluck

nissanrider06
08-25-2005, 03:35 AM
FINALLY thank you, is 600 each enough?? or would u recommend mroe?

Skip2MyLude
08-25-2005, 05:12 PM
I just put my new type r 12 in my 1.8 NET cubic feet enclosure tuned to 33hz and it sounds great and gets low with great extension but it seems to lack the precise punchy effect i was looking for. Any comment or suggestion aout this? Polyfill?

GTonDubs
08-25-2005, 05:47 PM
for sure
i just did it in my friends camry
man im tellin you when people hear his **** they are like "oh my god"
im not exagerating in any way
for $150 sub its st8 nuts

1 in a 4 will be louder than 2 in a 4,
i posted that a page ago,
it would rock, it wont be sloppy if you make the vent properly!!!!

GTonDubs
08-25-2005, 05:48 PM
all making a sleaed box bigger will to is make the lows a bit louder, but it is impossibly to boost a speakers sensitivty up in a sealed box, its all about boosting the sensitivity if you want a ton of output from one sub

nissanrider06
08-26-2005, 04:01 AM
i heard 4 ft would be to big.

Phelptwan
08-26-2005, 01:15 PM
I just got my second 12" type R from a shop that was closing in town with warranty for $110 plus tax. Now I'm trying to figure out what the hell to do with it.

Harrison486
08-26-2005, 01:36 PM
I just got my second 12" type R from a shop that was closing in town with warranty for $110 plus tax. Now I'm trying to figure out what the hell to do with it.

Sell it to me for really cheap?

Phelptwan
08-26-2005, 03:12 PM
I don't think so. It's either replacing my current one and selling the one w/out warranty or thinking to make something fun like a home theater sub out of it.

FOSGATE JOE
08-26-2005, 03:25 PM
2 type r 12s 4cuft sealed or 12type r 12s 5cuft ported from 30 to 40hz of your liken F_ck the 1 sub crap thats just me thoe!!!!!

GTonDubs
08-27-2005, 12:16 AM
i heard 4 ft would be to big.

yea, tell everyone that
then they'll never know
you smell what im steppin in

GTonDubs
08-27-2005, 12:18 AM
2 type r 12s 4cuft sealed or 12type r 12s 5cuft ported from 30 to 40hz of your liken F_ck the 1 sub crap thats just me thoe!!!!!

the one sub **** i do makes people with 2-4 subs wonder whats wrong with there ****

Odd-io
08-28-2005, 06:02 PM
1 in a 4 will be louder than 2 in a 4,
i posted that a page ago,
it would rock, it wont be sloppy if you make the vent properly!!!!


So, is the vent different than a regular slot port? Just add angled pieces in the corners of the port? I need to build a high-output box for my R's.

FOSGATE JOE
08-28-2005, 06:29 PM
no same thing^^^^just a different way

ruckus
08-29-2005, 01:19 PM
nice score then :laugh: ...5minutes huh? :laugh: thats cause he is pushing the car up the street. :D

nissanrider06
09-14-2005, 01:57 AM
1 in a 4 will be louder than 2 in a 4,
i posted that a page ago,
it would rock, it wont be sloppy if you make the vent properly!!!!

so what do u mean by making the vent properly?

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:23 AM
I wonder how loud my 1 12" Type R is gonna get in 2 cubes @ 36 hz

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:27 AM
Directed Audio 1500D @ 2 ohms

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:29 AM
I wanted to do 4 cubes.. but I just don't think it would fit in my trunk.. who knows tho..

Prehaps I should try the cardboard box theory like that one guy :up2somet:

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:29 AM
on one type r daily?....im picking up another xtr pro 1000 so now all i have to do is trade my 1242d's for 1222d's.

Yeah, so should be getting around 800Watts daily :veryhapp:

EDIT :

How much are you getting those XTR Pros for.. and how do you like em?

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:42 AM
Sounds like some good bargains.. but sealed in a neon and 150's? :eek:

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:47 AM
what site did you find that xtr 1000 for 190$?

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:49 AM
its not on a site....im buying from a forum member.

oh =x lol.. ok well I hope that works out well for you ;)

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:52 AM
I really can't wait till I start on my box tomarrowz.. gonna be my first homeade box ever ^ _ ^

dustinr
09-14-2005, 02:58 AM
Nope, Just one on the way.. Although I wouldn't mind upgrading to 2 later on.. Hopefully 1 will be loud enough tho

dustinr
09-14-2005, 03:01 AM
what car/truck are you putting it in?

1993 Dodge Spirit.. it's a 4 door sedan and will be in the trunk :crying:

I was going to go with a 15" but wasn't sure if it would fit.. plus the 12" is 100$ cheaper

dustinr
09-14-2005, 04:23 AM
dude.. Spirits are freaking awesome.. Usually when i tell someone i drive a spirit.. they're like.. "wtf is that?" Did you have a R/T? I'm sure you'll get mid 140s with 2 type R's.. I'm hopin to just hit a low 140 with 1 type R hehe

dustinr
09-14-2005, 04:29 AM
http://www.auto-enthusiast.com/shelbydodge/spiritrt/spirit_rt.htm

yea freaking awesome grandma car.. ran 0-60 in less then 6 secs.. and ran 1/4s in like high 13's low 14s.. just amazing.

Im prob gonna be making 2 boxes too.. when i get my other 12, will look very weird!

wlmrs
09-14-2005, 04:29 AM
how do you tune a box for a certain amount of hz?also if i have space for:37"wx18"dx15 3/4"h in my trunk,for two 12"s how much cu.ft per sub would that be??Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks all

dustinr
09-14-2005, 04:32 AM
how do you tune a box for a certain amount of hz?also if i have space for:37"wx18"dx15 3/4"h in my trunk,for two 12"s how much cu.ft per sub would that be??Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks all

your gonna need to talk to someone like Moe Lester for that bro.. he can draw you up some plans and see if you have enough room for what you want. I'm not sure how they tune a box.. but it has something to do with the design.. If you tell us what kinda music your into and what you wanna do (compete, daily drive) it would help us give you an idea of what your box would be tuned to ;)

dustinr
09-14-2005, 04:32 AM
mine was exactly the same as the white one!
what happened to it? I really want one!

dustinr
09-14-2005, 04:35 AM
i blew a rod on the interstate and had to hitch hike to the mall and call for a ride...i left it in the parking lot and havent heard anything about it since(it was like 5 years ago)
You just left it there? LOL I guess the car wasn't in the best condition? **** that really sux.. I like the red ones..

dustinr
09-14-2005, 04:39 AM
**** you would think they would get your liscense plate number and bill you through the mail

dustinr
09-14-2005, 04:42 AM
LOL, thats just gr8.. just leave somethin like at mcdonalds or somethin.. and just wait for it to be picked up

hdave
09-14-2005, 11:03 PM
i just built my box.

2.8 NET @ 32Hz

Im going to put one type r 12 in there and see how it is.
if its not good enough, im going to put another one in there and double the power

skeptikal
09-15-2005, 01:05 AM
to the original poster... no one will be able to tell you what is louder with out actually getting it metered or what not

Send a PM to spkrman. He has done extensive testing with the R's and has pulled really nice numbers with 1 and 2 of them.


i just did a Type R 12" in a 4 cubic foot enclosure at a 36hz tuning 1000w RMS v12 amp,

a 4 ft^3 box may be loud on the meter but that box is waaaayyyy to big for a single 12 for daily driver. i can't see that box being accurate at all to tell you the truth i could be wrong tho.


we took it to the shop we got the sub from, let them hear it, they says its near 150db

:2thumbs: lol, they are morons...

Hook Me Up
09-15-2005, 01:07 AM
yes i jus bought a box from spkrman he tests all of that stuff get a box from him and man lets hit it up sometime and meet i live in muchie

Spkrman
09-15-2005, 05:23 AM
and w/ 4 ft^3 it's still musical?? i really dont see how this 'magical' sub is so versatile in terms of enclosures

no... its not... at all. It sounds terrible in comparison to a smaller box. Gets extremely peaky, and power handling goes way down...

Spkrman
09-15-2005, 05:24 AM
if you want the loudest type R 12 do this
1 R 12" in a 5 cubic foot enclosure tuned to 55 hz, it will not play music but with a 12db sensitivity gain at 57 hz, you'll be taken mutha f'as out in the street a class at the db drag
1000w amp on each vc

get out of winisd...

build that box, watch it ****...

The R's **** tuned high... they just explode.

Not like I know anything about a type R though? :eek:

Spkrman
09-15-2005, 05:26 AM
4 ft^3 box may be loud on the meter but that box is waaaayyyy to big for a single 12 for daily driver. i can't see that box being accurate at all to tell you the truth i could be wrong tho.


yep yep... ure right.

anything past 2.5 and SQ goes way down... peaky peaky peaky woofer.

but winisd tells me its loud - so I must be wrong! :eek:

hdave
09-15-2005, 02:31 PM
how much port area?