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ls1pimp
08-06-2005, 07:41 PM
I can both the 5444 and the 5425 brand new for within 40 dollars of eachother (5444 is 40 bucks more). Which should i go for? I have EF-61 CDT components btw. Speaker bass and deep/strong midrange is a must!!! I don't need crazy audiophile EQ stuff, just basic settings in order to get these speakers sounding good and right. So which do i go for? BTW the 5444 is a semi PITA to get, i have to paypal the guy money and wait for him to buy it and ship it to me, with the 5425 i can just go to the store and buy it.

flakko
08-06-2005, 08:09 PM
are u gonna run the comps off the hu? please dont...

but erm get the more expensive version?

ls1pimp
08-06-2005, 08:10 PM
are u gonna run the comps off the hu? please dont...

but erm get the more expensive version?


No way man, i have a Nine.2 for the speakers. ;) The final price is 200 for the 5425, 245 for the 5444. But with the 5444, i have to get it shipped to me, and its kind of a hassle and it might take a week. Im just trying to see if its worth the exta 45 dollars + hassle + wait.

ls1pimp
08-06-2005, 10:04 PM
wow, noone? I also saw a post saying that the 5444 has no midbass in it, any validity to that?

kevlo911
08-06-2005, 10:07 PM
The 5425 does not have a remote and AUX input. - Have to buy sep
The 5435 has AUX in and a remote. You can change the colors too.

ls1pimp
08-06-2005, 10:31 PM
The 5425 does not have a remote and AUX input. - Have to buy sep
The 5435 has AUX in and a remote. You can change the colors too.


Umm, thats not what i asked. :uhoh: I asked between the 5425 and the 5444.

kevlo911
08-06-2005, 10:38 PM
Hehe, I just read that the 5444 is an older model. Woops, sorry :(

ls1pimp
08-06-2005, 10:53 PM
Pleaes can anyone help!! First of all i heard from a poster here that the 5444 has terrible midbass, and i wanna make sure thats not a regular review of them. I am ordering/buying one tommorow, this is why i need an answer! Ive searched and done everything!

JLCivic
08-06-2005, 11:41 PM
wow, noone? I also saw a post saying that the 5444 has no midbass in it, any validity to that?

I would say there is no validity to that. Eclipse makes excellent sounding decks from their entry level to their top models.
I assume you are the same person who posted this question on SD a couple of hours ago(and then complained that nobody had posted a reply "all day?").

I said there and I will say here, since the 5444 is a PITA to get, just go with the 05 5V deck. Also, if you have the authorized dealer install it, your warranty goes from 1 year to 3 years(best factory warranty available on a head unit).

ls1pimp
08-06-2005, 11:53 PM
I would say there is no validity to that. Eclipse makes excellent sounding decks from their entry level to their top models.
I assume you are the same person who posted this question on SD a couple of hours ago(and then complained that nobody had posted a reply "all day?").

I said there and I will say here, since the 5444 is a PITA to get, just go with the 05 5V deck. Also, if you have the authorized dealer install it, your warranty goes from 1 year to 3 years(best factory warranty available on a head unit).


Well its not that much of a PITA to get anymore, i found out i could just order it direcly from the store on monday. Also, do you think i would benefit from the 7 band EQ vs. the 3 band? I don't really have that high standards, it just HAS to have good midrange and midbass controls, and have a rich sounding midrange. If you think the 5444 is harder to use and get sounding good, and the 5425 will be fine, then ill go with the 5425 and save myself the 50 bucks.


Yes that was me as well on SD. :crap:

JLCivic
08-06-2005, 11:56 PM
Well its not that much of a PITA to get anymore, i found out i could just order it direcly from the store on monday. Also, do you think i would benefit from the 7 band EQ vs. the 3 band? I don't really have that high standards, it just HAS to have good midrange and midbass controls, and have a rich sounding midrange. If you think the 5444 is harder to use and get sounding good, and the 5425 will be fine, then ill go with the 5425 and save myself the 50 bucks.

You are thinking about this WAY too much. Eclipse makes excellent decks so either should sound, well, excellent(any eclipse I ever had did). I would probably still go with the 05 eclipse. I believe the 5444 has the memory card feauture(which you don' t need). Get the 5425 and use the extra money to pay for the install(dash kit, labor, etc) to bump the warranty to 3 years(and you then also get a 1 year theft warranty).

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:00 AM
You are thinking about this WAY too much. Eclipse makes excellent decks so either should sound, well, excellent(any eclipse I ever had did). I would probably still go with the 05 eclipse. I believe the 5444 has the memory card feauture(which you don' t need). Get the 5425 and use the extra money to pay for the install(dash kit, labor, etc) to bump the warranty to 3 years(and you then also get a 1 year theft warranty).


If you wanna know why i am thinking this through, its becuase i am paranoid. My Alpine CDA 7893 that i have right now sounds fantastic, but there is no midrange control, and midbass is also lacking. Ive gone through lots of speakers, and even with my CDT's it just doesn't sound right down low (i have a sub, but thats besides the point). Thats why i have these wierd requirements for good speaker bass and good midrange. It gets depressing when my friend's Pioneer HU running ****** pioneer coaxils sounds fuller and richer than my CDT components amped from a Nine.2 :uhoh:

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:01 AM
BTW here's the guy who said there was no midbass.

http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/showthread.php?t=105683&highlight=5444+bass

I Pmed the guy but he didn't respond yet.

JLCivic
08-07-2005, 12:04 AM
BTW here's the guy who said there was no midbass.

http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/showthread.php?t=105683&highlight=5444+bass

I Pmed the guy but he didn't respond yet.

I just replied to your post on SD. That guy's post is pretty much meaningless. He got suggestions on things to check(xovers, etc), but he never came back to say what he did. Do you think Eclipse just makes decks that don't reproduce certain parts of the frequency range? That wouldn't make any sense.

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:05 AM
I just replied to your post on SD. That guy's post is pretty much meaningless. He got suggestions on things to check(xovers, etc), but he never came back to say what he did. Do you think Eclipse just makes decks that don't reproduce certain parts of the frequency range? That wouldn't make any sense.

I replied back. ;) Lets just keep it on this forum, its confusing jumping back and forth. :p: I hope you understand my concerns though, because my Alpine rules with highs, but ***** with lows.

JLCivic
08-07-2005, 12:06 AM
If you wanna know why i am thinking this through, its becuase i am paranoid. My Alpine CDA 7893 that i have right now sounds fantastic, but there is no midrange control, and midbass is also lacking. Ive gone through lots of speakers, and even with my CDT's it just doesn't sound right down low (i have a sub, but thats besides the point). Thats why i have these wierd requirements for good speaker bass and good midrange. It gets depressing when my friend's Pioneer HU running ****** pioneer coaxils sounds fuller and richer than my CDT components amped from a Nine.2 :uhoh:

Now I am confused. You say your 7893 sounds fantastic yet you complain of no midrange control and lacking midbass(how can the 7893 sound fantastic to you if you have problems). It sounds like you have experimented quite a bit(going through lots of speakers, etc). Might I suggest, if you have not already, GO to a shop, and have them tune your system. It might take $50, but you might find that you have all of the equipment you need already.

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:07 AM
Now I am confused. You say your 7893 sounds fantastic yet you complain of no midrange control and lacking midbass(how can the 7893 sound fantastic to you if you have problems). It sounds like you have experimented quite a bit(going through lots of speakers, etc). Might I suggest, if you have not already, GO to a shop, and have them tune your system. It might take $50, but you might find that you have all of the equipment you need already.


I meant the upper end sound quality soudns great, but if i shut the sub off, it is practically unlistenable because there is not sufficient midrange/midbass. The sub helps a little, but it still doesn't sound "right" with no speaker bass.

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:08 AM
I actually listened and played around with a 5425 today and i liked it, heard it over Type S components ( mine are better!! :) ) and it sounded phenomal. Never heard the 5444 though.

JLCivic
08-07-2005, 12:10 AM
I meant the upper end sound quality soudns great, but if i shut the sub off, it is practically unlistenable because there is not sufficient midrange/midbass. The sub helps a little, but it still doesn't sound "right" with no speaker bass.

I stand by my suggestion. Spend some money at a shop and let them tune your system with the existing equipment. You might get the sound you are looking for without spending hundreds on a new deck(although I think Eclipse makes a better sounding deck than Alpine). :D

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:13 AM
I stand by my suggestion. Spend some money at a shop and let them tune your system with the existing equipment. You might get the sound you are looking for without spending hundreds on a new deck(although I think Eclipse makes a better sounding deck than Alpine). :D
well, i need a new deck regardless because the Alpine contacts went bad, and it keeps blanking out if i touch the buttons too hard. I dunno what else there is to tune on the HU honestly? I lower the crossover to 80, it starts distoring. I turn down the bass, then there is no bass. I put the crossover at 100, then turn the bass up, and the bass is barely louder than a "pop". And vocals get drowned out by instrumentals as well.

JLCivic
08-07-2005, 12:13 AM
I actually listened and played around with a 5425 today and i liked it, heard it over Type S components ( mine are better!! :) ) and it sounded phenomal. Never heard the 5444 though.

Again, Eclipse makes excellent sounding decks. IMO, the BEST sounding decks, from entry level up, available on the market. Others' ears may tell them something different.

That said, I assume you heard the deck and Type S comps in a soundboard at a shop???? If so, that is a much different listening environment than your car.

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:16 AM
Again, Eclipse makes excellent sounding decks. IMO, the BEST sounding decks, from entry level up, available on the market. Others' ears may tell them something different.

I dunno honestly, i know the 5444 is the "better" HU, but i just don't know if i would even notice, or use the extra features im paying for?

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:16 AM
Again, Eclipse makes excellent sounding decks. IMO, the BEST sounding decks, from entry level up, available on the market. Others' ears may tell them something different.

That said, I assume you heard the deck and Type S comps in a soundboard at a shop???? If so, that is a much different listening environment than your car.
Yep, thats where i heard it.

JLCivic
08-07-2005, 12:17 AM
well, i need a new deck regardless because the Alpine contacts went bad, and it keeps blanking out if i touch the buttons too hard. I dunno what else there is to tune on the HU honestly? I lower the crossover to 80, it starts distoring. I turn down the bass, then there is no bass. I put the crossover at 100, then turn the bass up, and the bass is barely louder than a "pop". And vocals get drowned out by instrumentals as well.
Do you have the loudness button on or does your deck have any of that MX garbage? If so, turn it off and see how it sounds. Have you had your gains set correctly? Maybe the amp is clipping??

JLCivic
08-07-2005, 12:19 AM
I dunno honestly, i know the 5444 is the "better" HU, but i just don't know if i would even notice, or use the extra features im paying for?

Well, you described just needing a pretty basic deck. I stand by my recommendation(IF you are going to buy a new deck, I would go with the 05 5V eclipse....get it installed by the shop and get the longer warranty).

ls1pimp
08-07-2005, 12:19 AM
Do you have the loudness button on or does your deck have any of that MX garbage? If so, turn it off and see how it sounds. Have you had your gains set correctly? Maybe the amp is clipping??


Yep good ole MX. :emb: When i turn it on, it sounds horrendous, it gets so shrill and artificial sounding it hurts my ears. I turned it up with my friend in the car and he started complaining. :laugh: Not an amp issue at all, i was running completely different coaxils off of this HU w/ no amp and had the exact same problems. Overly harsh highs and no low end. I even had this setup in a completly different car with completely different coaxils again with the same HU, and same old problems. :emb: And no, my HU has no "loud" on it. The only thing i can change is bass, treble, HPF, LPF, MX on or off, and speaker alignment. I always have MX off, otherwise it is literally too painful to listen to.