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Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 05:16 PM
What are some tips that I should go by?

Say I want to use these speakers,

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=264-828&ctab=9#Tabs

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=264-822

Now, how do you calculate efficiencies of the whole?, power handling?, Final Ohms load?

I am extremely confused by all of this? But I want to build my own without paying out paying $400+ for a set of monitors.

Should I use these speakers together, or should I look into anything else?

Jmac? Jack Frost? ss3079? squeak9798?

I'm utterly confused when it comes to Home Audio.....

avistar23
08-01-2005, 05:20 PM
Do you want to stick with 4 inch mids ? If this is your first project it is much easier and you will get a much nicer end results with an already designed system, where you buy the drivers and build a crossover but use plans from a web site.

-Mike

Look at this link http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/index.html

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 05:23 PM
Not necessarily,

I just don't want everything to be drowned with bass... I have an Atlas 15" that is going to go with these...

avistar23
08-01-2005, 05:28 PM
http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/index.html

i think a 6 inch would work better, it will have nicer midbass response, ive used the dayton 7inch aluminum and the 6.5 inch series 1 and 10 inch series 1, i think that the 6.5 dayton with their silk dome would work very well at verly little cost. Or are you looking for somthing more high end?

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 05:31 PM
I'm trying to stay within a $50-$100 range for two tweets and two speakers...

avistar23
08-01-2005, 05:33 PM
http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/so1.html
http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/dayton2way.html
http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/daylum/index.htm

I think anyone of these are probablly the best bang for buck.

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 05:33 PM
I've also pondered of going with a tweet, 4" and a 6"... Would there be any down sides to that?

squeak9798
08-01-2005, 05:34 PM
I'm utterly confused when it comes to Home Audio.....

Which is why I'm going to agree with avistar and suggest finding an kit or plans where you construct it yourself, but they have all of the parts (or atleast a parts list) already pulled together for you. Pop your cherry sort of thing.

avistar23
08-01-2005, 05:34 PM
well thers no real need for a 3 way design with a good 6 inch dirver your midrange will be fully covered.

-Mike

avistar23
08-01-2005, 05:36 PM
the dayton 5 1/4 aluminum with the silk dome will work very well, no questions asked.

ive owned that tweet and the 7 inch dayton aluminum, very nice drivers.

-Mike

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 05:36 PM
Which is why I'm going to agree with avistar and suggest finding an kit or plans where you construct it yourself, but they have all of the parts (or atleast a parts list) already pulled together for you. Pop your cherry sort of thing.


Ok, that works good... That is pretty much what I am looking for...

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 05:40 PM
Now I know that PE has the whole kits, but do they have something where they give you the parts lists?

Edit: Nevermind, I just saw the links posted above...

squeak9798
08-01-2005, 05:44 PM
Here aswell: http://speakerbuilder.net/web_files/default.htm

I'm sure decware has some, as well as www.diyaudio.com

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 05:46 PM
Thanks a ton guys! This will hopefully get me on my way...

JimJ
08-01-2005, 05:49 PM
Avistar...you have six meter capability? :D

50MHz sporadic-E has been kicking *** here the past few days (well, as much as can be expected for this point in the solar cycle)...ZF1DC down in Grand Cayman was booming in here a few days ago, so I figure the propagation to your neck of the woods is good too.

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 06:19 PM
Now say that I want to build these? http://www.vikash.info/audio/W3-871S/

Do I have to go with those exact speakers?

JimJ
08-01-2005, 06:23 PM
For that kind of design, yes...you need a full range driver.

Those are only rated for 12wpc.

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 06:55 PM
Yes, I saw that rating, and realized that is pretty low.... If I used a 4" midrange, what all would I have to change?

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 07:07 PM
Would the enclosure have to be bigger, or what?

avistar23
08-01-2005, 07:37 PM
Avistar...you have six meter capability? :D

50MHz sporadic-E has been kicking *** here the past few days (well, as much as can be expected for this point in the solar cycle)...ZF1DC down in Grand Cayman was booming in here a few days ago, so I figure the propagation to your neck of the woods is good too.

Yeh only got 3 elements on it, ill be getting some 1/2 inch hardline and 5 elements on a lonnng boom soon :)

Havent been on for a while because i use alot of pro audio processing on my mic and i had to lone it to my uncles radio station after lightning, wont have it for 2 weeks more or so.

-Mike

JimJ
08-01-2005, 07:45 PM
Yeh only got 3 elements on it, ill be getting some 1/2 inch hardline and 5 elements on a lonnng boom soon

**** :) I'm on an omni loop right now - my 3 element beam is in pieces in the basement, needing space to put it up :crap: Would love to set up a sked with you sometime, once the silly FCC here does away with the code requirement and I can fire up my IC-746 on 20 meters...NC to the Bahamas should be a very good signal path.


Would the enclosure have to be bigger, or what?

For what, another driver?

If you were to change the driver, you need something that's designed for whatever one you choose :) Actually, I'm not a big fan of sealed full range drivers. They simply don't get efficient enough. There are transmission line full range projects out there that will handle some power. Jordans come to mind...but those can be pricey. If you're interested about going the single-driver route, here's a good link for ya: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=51

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 09:08 PM
I don't necessarily have to go the single driver route, but I'm just guessing that it will be easiest... I think I may copy a project off of the parts express page....

Untouchable11
08-01-2005, 09:14 PM
I was particularly talking about changing the 3" Full Range to a 4" Full range... If I were to do this, what all would I have to change about the enclosure? I assume that it will have to get a little bigger.

JimJ
08-01-2005, 10:56 PM
If I were to do this, what all would I have to change about the enclosure? I assume that it will have to get a little bigger.

Yes...

Untouchable11
08-02-2005, 11:25 AM
Eh, I think I'm just gonna break down and buy the theater in a box... I have a question though, can you typically replace the subwoofers on those, or is it usually the speaker type terminals that hook them up compared to RCA outs?

JimJ
08-02-2005, 11:44 AM
can you typically replace the subwoofers on those,

With HTIB's, all bets are off. Think of them as the stock car systems of home audio...usually very difficult to integrate with any other equipment, really designed to be standalone.

Untouchable11
08-02-2005, 12:01 PM
**** that *****....

I looked at this project, and thought that it may be for me?

http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker18.html

The only problem I am running into is lack of tools to work with... I really don't have the tools readily available around me. Buying a table saw would be uneconomical, mainly because I will have zero space to put it when I go to college in a month or so...

I'm really intersted in doing my own project, however, due to a few factors, it makes it very difficult..

squeak9798
08-02-2005, 12:07 PM
You don't have any friends, uncles, cousins, grandparents, godparents, etc with the appropriate tools who could help you?

JimJ
08-02-2005, 12:08 PM
What about using Parts Express cabinets...all you'd need to do is finish them.

Untouchable11
08-02-2005, 12:09 PM
Too much $$, I'm just gonna sell the atlas, instead of getting it reconed... I can live without a dorm system for a while I guess...