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ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 01:55 AM
Its a 12 inch XXX running off a Nine.1. I want the absolute best size/tune SQL box possible, without crossing over into all out SPL. I want enough SPL to induce breathing problems with the windows up :crazy: , but i want the SQ to be respectable (not amazing) but just not sloppy sounding and boomy, nice and tight. Thanks. RE's wesbite recomends 2.1 cubes at 28hz for SQL, but that tune sounds much too low. Thanks again.

Mr. Opportunist
07-28-2005, 01:57 AM
use what re reccomends.

cpierce
07-28-2005, 02:01 AM
I have a box for-sale....

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 02:01 AM
use what re reccomends.

Why do they reccomend a 28hz tune for SQL? I thought 35-40 was SQL, and below 35 was strictly SQ?

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 02:02 AM
I have a box for-sale....


pm me with details and size, my trunk is very very small.

bamaboy
07-28-2005, 02:03 AM
well i used a 2.5 to 35hz for my SX and it was a nice mix of spl sq so xxx should sound better

Mr. Opportunist
07-28-2005, 02:04 AM
28 so you get most of the low notes along with higher ones

Raven
07-28-2005, 02:04 AM
Use what RE recommends. If anything, you could easily take the tuning on that box up into the mid 30s range for a little more output.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 02:05 AM
28 so you get most of the low notes along with higher ones


Yeah but i also want a stupid high amount of SPL, isn't 28 way too low for high spl?

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 02:06 AM
Use what RE recommends. If anything, you could easily take the tuning on that box up into the mid 30s range for a little more output.

I was thinking of just 2.1 cubes @ 35hz? How does that sound? Right now the XXX is inside a 1 cube sealed box, and it hits unbeliavebly hard and violently, it just doesn't have a good frequency range, i can tell its not playing alot of low low freguencies.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 02:07 AM
Would an 12 inch XXX in a ported box tuned to 28 hz have much more output than in a 1 cube sealed box?

Mr. Opportunist
07-28-2005, 02:08 AM
yes

Raven
07-28-2005, 02:38 AM
It is said the SQ/SPL difference between ported and sealed after 1/2 octave above tuning is about the same as sealed. Porting that thing at 28 hz would give a very nice bottom end while keeping the insane loud it has in 1 cube sealed.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 02:46 AM
It is said the SQ/SPL difference between ported and sealed after 1/2 octave above tuning is about the same as sealed. Porting that thing at 28 hz would give a very nice bottom end while keeping the insane loud it has in 1 cube sealed.


What if i want it to have more output, without completely sacrificing Sound quality? I want people to feel like they are gonna die in my car when the sub hits (car is a hatchback).

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 02:49 AM
Do you guys also think a XXX in a 1 cube sealed box is not getting anywhere near its output potential?

JimJ
07-28-2005, 03:10 AM
http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif

followed by:

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/Doh.gif

directly proceeded by:

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/fryingpan.gif

Thank you.

blackgeltabs
07-28-2005, 03:19 AM
Do you guys also think a XXX in a 1 cube sealed box is not getting anywhere near its output potential?

You dont listen, you have never in your 500+ posts listened to what anyone has said.

And the art of reading has evaded you.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 03:26 AM
You dont listen, you have never in your 500+ posts listened to what anyone has said.

And the art of reading has evaded you.


This is COMPLETELY different than my RL-P issue, this isn't even an issue in actuality. The XXX is completly slamming away already in my 1 cube sealed box, tons of SPL. Im trying to find out if its even worth it to go ported with this sub, since ive never heard any XXX besides mine right now, i have no way of knowing if it is near its potential, or not. All i can tell is it gets incredibly loud and has awesome sq.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 03:29 AM
There is no reason to be rude to me guys, im just trying to make sure i get the best out of this sub i can. Im not dissapointed at all with anything, i just wanna know if going ported would unleash a whole nother beast in this thing, or if i should just leave it how it is?

chinny
07-28-2005, 03:29 AM
ls1pimp, ill design you a box for free, IM me at jd154g, i just feel nice right now.

chinny
07-28-2005, 03:34 AM
i would do 2.6-3cuft at 32-35

blackgeltabs
07-28-2005, 03:35 AM
There is no reason to be rude to me guys, im just trying to make sure i get the best out of this sub i can. Im not dissapointed at all with anything, i just wanna know if going ported would unleash a whole nother beast in this thing, or if i should just leave it how it is?

Like stated before reading comprehension is your friend. Check your now locked threads you will find the answer. That's if even you can bare reading through 50+ pages of pure nonsense.

That question has been answered. I know it becaue I was stupid enough to read through it all.

JimJ
07-28-2005, 03:37 AM
http://www.briandonovan.info/self-assembly-images/200503/20050331/cluepon/cluepon_514x325h.jpg

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:03 AM
.85 sealed

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:04 AM
.85 sealed

thats basically what i already have

kuijo
07-28-2005, 04:07 AM
no leave it at .85, thats obviously the perfect box for any sub

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:08 AM
Well, not the RL-p ;)

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:12 AM
I hope it gets blown up

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:16 AM
Well i was told that there is no way i can fit a ported box thats built to manufacture spec in my trunk (2.1 cu ft net), so now i dunno what i am gonna do. :( These are my trunk specs

28" long(left to right)
12" wide(front to rear)
17" deep(bottom to top)

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:17 AM
no leave it at .85, thats obviously the perfect box for any sub

Go to the www.reaudio.com , they reccomend a .8 cu ft sealed box for a 12 XXX.

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:18 AM
Just keep what you have, thats the right enclosure

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:24 AM
Just keep what you have, thats the right enclosure


I can't even tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. :emb:

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:26 AM
RE reccomends .8
You have a 1ft^3, prob close to .8 after sub disp
No need to make a new enclosure

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:28 AM
Well i was told that there is no way i can fit a ported box thats built to manufacture spec in my trunk (2.1 cu ft net), so now i dunno what i am gonna do. :( These are my trunk specs

28" long(left to right)
12" wide(front to rear)
17" deep(bottom to top)
I have no idea where you got your math from but I got 2.49 NET from those dimensions.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:29 AM
RE reccomends .8
You have a 1ft^3, prob close to .8 after sub disp
No need to make a new enclosure


But what if i do wanna go ported for better low end extension and more output?

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:29 AM
I have no idea where you got your math from but I got 2.49 NET from those dimensions.


I did not calculate that myself nor say i dont' think a ported box will fit, this is just what someone told me. Did you include port displacement and sub displacement too in that number you got? I don't want to have a small port thats gonna make all kinds of port noise.

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:32 AM
NET= no port, no sub

blackgeltabs
07-28-2005, 04:32 AM
I thought I had read multiple times that it was loud enough or even too loud in your current enclosure, and IIRC your dad even thinks its "silly"

Just wondering why are you hell bent on putting this in a ported box but wouldnt give the RL-p a chance in one?

I really dont give a *** what woofer you have, as long as your happy. But you dont make sense at all.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:32 AM
NET= no port, no sub


Uhh, i thought gross was no port no sub, and net was minus port and sub displacement?

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:33 AM
But what if i do wanna go ported for better low end extension and more output? Oh well. Just put some polyfill in for better lower end

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:34 AM
I thought I had read multiple times that it was loud enough or even too loud in your current enclosure, and IIRC your dad even thinks its "silly"

Just wondering why are you hell bent on putting this in a ported box but wouldnt give the RL-p a chance in one?

I really dont give a *** what woofer you have, as long as your happy. But you dont make sense at all.


Im only thinking of putting it in a ported box because people on this forum and on the RE forum are saying it may sound good as is, but its not even close to its full potential in a sealed box.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:34 AM
Oh well. Just put some polyfill in for better lower end


Already have 1.5 lbs of polyfill in the box. It actually did help tremendously.

blackgeltabs
07-28-2005, 04:36 AM
Im only thinking of putting it in a ported box because people on this forum and on the RE forum are saying it may sound good as is, but its not even close to its full potential in a sealed box.

That can be said for most woofers.

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:40 AM
The RL-p wasnt even close to its potential in that enclosure either ;)

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:41 AM
That can be said for most woofers.


can you look at these specs and see if i can fit a 2.0 cube slot ported box in this trunk?

I do wanna go ported, from what i here, the XXX is great in ported, it gets louder and doesn't lose much SQ at all.

28" long(left to right)
12" wide(front to rear)
17" deep(bottom to top)

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:41 AM
The RL-p wasnt even close to its potential in that enclosure either ;)

RL-P was sold and shipped out already, no need to keep talking about it please.

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:42 AM
And who is gonna stop me ?

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:43 AM
can you look at these specs and see if i can fit a 2.0 cube slot ported box in this trunk?

I do wanna go ported, from what i here, the XXX is great in ported, it gets louder and doesn't lose much SQ at all.

28" long(left to right)
12" wide(front to rear)
17" deep(bottom to top)
I TOLD YOU ALREADY
2.49 NET

kuijo
07-28-2005, 04:45 AM
I would recommend aeroports to cut down on the space its going to take up.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:45 AM
I TOLD YOU ALREADY
2.49 NET


Well, i just had a box builder from this message board tell me i can barely fit a 2.0 net box in that trunk, and it would have a tiny port on it as well, so what do you what me to think? :crying: I have all different people telling me different things, some people say i can fit a big box in it like you, while others say i can't even fit the smallest built to spec ported box in my trunk.

blackgeltabs
07-28-2005, 04:45 AM
I get 3.3 cubes.

SQ is subjectional which has been said a million times.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:46 AM
I would recommend aeroports to cut down on the space its going to take up.



Aren't round ports infamous for having port noise? My car is an open hatchback so i hear everything that comes from the sub/box.

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:47 AM
Well, i just had a box builder from this message board tell me i can barely fit a 2.0 net box in that trunk, and it would have a tiny port on it as well, so what do you what me to think? :crying: I have all different people telling me different things, some people say i can fit a big box in it like you, while others say i can't even fit the smallest built to spec ported box in my trunk. Look for a dimension calculator...duh

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:47 AM
Ok, Supa and whoever else, pretend you are in my position. You have a 400 dollar subwoofer and its currently in a prefabbed subzone 1 cube enclosure, do you keep it in this box even though it still sounds pretty good, or go for a ported box?

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:48 AM
Aren't round ports infamous for having port noise? My car is an open hatchback so i hear everything that comes from the sub/box. Uhmm, no

kuijo
07-28-2005, 04:48 AM
I've heard the exact opposite and haven't had a problem with my aeroports.

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:48 AM
Ok, Supa and whoever else, pretend you are in my position. You have a 400 dollar subwoofer and its currently in a prefabbed subzone 1 cube enclosure, do you keep it in this box even though it still sounds pretty good, or go for a ported box? Keep the sealed.

blackgeltabs
07-28-2005, 04:52 AM
Ok, Supa and whoever else, pretend you are in my position. You have a 400 dollar subwoofer and its currently in a prefabbed subzone 1 cube enclosure, do you keep it in this box even though it still sounds pretty good, or go for a ported box?

Its subjectional!!!

Me for instance, I like large sealed enclosures. Id put it in somewhere around 1.3-1.5 sealed.

BUT, AND I CAPITALIZE dont take that as a fact or as something you need to do. That is the type of box that I LIKE.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:52 AM
Keep the sealed.


I know you are an RL-P guy, but do you honestly know a good deal about XXX's specifically, or are you just saying that in a general way?

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:54 AM
Used to have 2 15" Brahmas. Absolutely nothing wrong with RE or its subs. Just not the SQ im looking for.
Im not kidding, keep the sealed. You will have less problems

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:56 AM
Used to have 2 15" Brahmas.
Im not kidding, keep the sealed. You will have less problems


I really don't mean to bug you, but what kind of "problems"?

supa_c
07-28-2005, 04:58 AM
Like making the enclosure, plans for it.
Covering it

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 04:59 AM
Like making the enclosure, plans for it.
Covering it


Well, i would have a reputable box maker do it for me. I was quoted 75 dollars for the box w/ carpeting, and the guy is local so i can just pick it up directly from him. I would not build it myself.

T3mpest
07-28-2005, 05:00 AM
If it's already more than loud enough for you then porting won't help. Even if you do gain SPL (which you would), you'll lose some SQ, which isnt' worth it. Look at it this way

Sealed XXX- optimal SQ, loud enough
Ported XXX-less SQ, more than loud enough

supa_c
07-28-2005, 05:01 AM
Whats the hold up ?
He should be capable of making plands for it.
He would know if it would fit or not

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 05:03 AM
Whats the hold up ?
He should be capable of making plands for it.
He would know if it would fit or not


He said it would fit and already made up plans. But i talked to another box desinger/builder tonite and this one told me its not gonna fit at all. :crazy:

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 05:03 AM
If it's already more than loud enough for you then porting won't help. Even if you do gain SPL (which you would), you'll lose some SQ, which isnt' worth it. Look at it this way

Sealed XXX- optimal SQ, loud enough
Ported XXX-less SQ, more than loud enough


I wouldn't mind getting more low end extension, and its very loud, but it can always hit harder i guess. :D I have no problem with that.

supa_c
07-28-2005, 05:06 AM
He said it would fit and already made up plans. But i talked to another box desinger/builder tonite and this one told me its not gonna fit at all. :crazy: And who might that be ?

Acidburn
07-28-2005, 05:13 AM
Ok, Supa and whoever else, pretend you are in my position. You have a 400 dollar subwoofer and its currently in a prefabbed subzone 1 cube enclosure, do you keep it in this box even though it still sounds pretty good, or go for a ported box?
sorry, i cant put myself in your position
i cant fit my head that far up my ***

:)

mrray13
07-28-2005, 07:56 AM
hell, just have the box builder with the plans make the **** box already....lol...


how's it NOT going to fit if he builds it to ur measurements??


and IMO, teh xxx will sound better ported as the low end extension is improved. from my experience, the xxx doesn't get low at all in that size (or actually a touch bigger) sealed box...


but hey, i'm probably just trying to mislead you again. u might wanna ask the question about ten more times in ten more threads to get 100 more responses that all say the same thing......but wait, what if they are trying to mislead u as well? besides, u should have enough knowledge not to need anyones opinion on anything...it's not like u listen to anyone anyway.









wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :peace:

UndercoverPunk
07-28-2005, 09:30 AM
hell, just have the box builder with the plans make the **** box already....lol...


how's it NOT going to fit if he builds it to ur measurements??


and IMO, teh xxx will sound better ported as the low end extension is improved. from my experience, the xxx doesn't get low at all in that size (or actually a touch bigger) sealed box...


but hey, i'm probably just trying to mislead you again. u might wanna ask the question about ten more times in ten more threads to get 100 more responses that all say the same thing......but wait, what if they are trying to mislead u as well? besides, u should have enough knowledge not to need anyones opinion on anything...it's not like u listen to anyone anyway.









wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :peace:

:ohsnap:

Seriously, common sense eludes you.

JimJ
07-28-2005, 11:19 AM
Can I get a wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

Hell yes.

5 pages down...c'mon guys, I want to see this at 10 by the time I get back...

Johnny Drama
07-28-2005, 11:20 AM
I will refrain from any worthwhile comments in LS1's threads from now on. I suggest you all do the same. Have a good day.

tRiGgEr
07-28-2005, 11:27 AM
Port it for F-in christs sake. How many times do people have to tell you?

Stop making 20+ page threads. Ask all your questions in one frickin post. It is not hard to do.

Idiot...

denim
07-28-2005, 12:27 PM
I am curious, would this site happen to have a few previous box threads on this particular driver?

Mr. Opportunist
07-28-2005, 12:31 PM
Well i was told that there is no way i can fit a ported box thats built to manufacture spec in my trunk (2.1 cu ft net), so now i dunno what i am gonna do. :( These are my trunk specs

28" long(left to right)
12" wide(front to rear)
17" deep(bottom to top)
:laugh:
that would be 17"H x 28"W x 12"D 600 posts and you dont even know howto say measurements.

UndercoverPunk
07-28-2005, 12:31 PM
I am curious, would this site happen to have a few previous box threads on this particular driver?

No none at all, cause if there were, he wouldn't have posted, cause he would have know to search first.

Or maybe he's a tard.

Tirefryr
07-28-2005, 01:06 PM
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2994/Z2.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5245/Z1.jpg


That's 2.3 cubes sealed and you can tell I'm only using 2/3 of the available space. Build correctly and maximizing your space, you have more than enough available space.

audioholic
07-28-2005, 03:29 PM
Wow this board is really turning into a flame fest. Its funny how some people/threads like this can go on and on, yet others get locked immediately. Some people can act like complete a-holes, on purpose, for no other reason, and not get warned, deleted, etc. Im rapidly losing interest in coming to a board with so many members that act like this.

Yes Ive followed ls1pimp's posts from the beginning. yes I know he doesn't know alot and doesn't take alot of people's advice, but I also know he does NOT deserve the relentless assault from a few of you. I have to wonder, if he'd ditched a XXX for an Rl-p, all other things in the situation being the same, would all of you still be bashng him so hard rather than answering his questions. Seriously, some of you spend more time trying to beat him down for asking some question than just answering. (use the search, you're too ignorant to understand anyway, why not try the Rl-p again, blah blah blah).

IMO those of you in this thread not trying to help should simply leave it. Its funny how many of you were so quick to run to mrray's defense, to keep a civil thread/review, yet you waste no opportunity to insult him in huge fonts. Get over it, go on with your lives, Im sure ls1 wants to. At some point ls1pimp is no longer the idiot or ahole, the rest of you guys ARE. That point has been crossed.

ls1pimp, RE recommends ported turned to 28hz as their SQL enclosure. The reson for the low tuning is for SQ, the fact its ported gives it the SPL factor. An all out SQ install would use the sealed enclosure (contrary to popular belief XXX's work great sealed and sound awesome *shrug* everyone seems to think ported or nothin these days... their loss). An all out SPL setup would use a high-tuned ported enclosure. The compromise between the two (SQL) would be a ported system, but that is tuned low for SQ. Hope that makes sense. IMO if you are happy with the output, I dont see the need to change. Do you listen to it at full blast regularly? If not, don't bother. You will lose a bit of SQ for the sake of a little output you wouldn't be using except rarely anyway. But if you listen to it at full alot (and wish it had more), then yeah Id say try porting with a low tuning. Good luck.

allenzo
07-28-2005, 03:44 PM
Wish I was a mod. ;)

Johnny Drama
07-28-2005, 03:44 PM
The sad part about your post....you havent left ;)


His questions have been answered many, many times.

Now I commence to break down your post...


Wow this board is really turning into a flame fest. Its funny how some people/threads like this can go on and on, yet others get locked immediately. Some people can act like complete a-holes, on purpose, for no other reason, and not get warned, deleted, etc. Im rapidly losing interest in coming to a board with so many members that act like this.

You dont like it then leave.


Yes Ive followed ls1pimp's posts from the beginning. yes I know he doesn't know alot and doesn't take alot of people's advice, but I also know he does NOT deserve the relentless assault from a few of you.

I agree that he doesnt know a lot. He has been told by many people the answers to his questions, he chooses to not listen. He has post the same questions on here, SSA, and SIN. He received all the SAME answers, yet he keeps asking them again.


I have to wonder, if he'd ditched a XXX for an Rl-p, all other things in the situation being the same, would all of you still be bashng him so hard rather than answering his questions. Seriously, some of you spend more time trying to beat him down for asking some question than just answering. (use the search, you're too ignorant to understand anyway, why not try the Rl-p again, blah blah blah).

Oh drop it. This is in no way about that. There are RE and SS fanboys. I would be willing to bet that the same is true if he had decided to go for the RL-P over the XXX. Who cares about that. I am NOT in any was biast, so I will say what I think about this.

The RE folks bashed Mrray in his review, they told him to add power, he did. They told him to make the box bigger, he did. They told him to port it, he did.
LS1's post, the RE folks bashed the SS folks when they told/asked him to port the RL-P, did he....no. He made comments along the lines of..."OMG THIS XXX KICKS THE RL-Ps ***!!!! IT MAKES MY HAIR MOVE, IT MAKES MY CHEST HURT!!!!!

now...BOTH PARTIES ARE IN THE WRONG HERE.




IMO those of you in this thread not trying to help should simply leave it. Its funny how many of you were so quick to run to mrray's defense, to keep a civil thread/review, yet you waste no opportunity to insult him in huge fonts. Get over it, go on with your lives, Im sure ls1 wants to. At some point ls1pimp is no longer the idiot or ahole, the rest of you guys ARE. That point has been crossed.

Best part about this section in your post....your adding flame to the fire. People will flame, such is life. You have no control. When you post things like this it makes other lash back.


ls1pimp, RE recommends ported turned to 28hz as their SQL enclosure. The reson for the low tuning is for SQ, the fact it sported gives it the SPL factor. An all out SQ install would use the sealed enclosure (contrary to popular belief XXX's work great sealed and sound awesome *shrug* everyone seems to think ported or nothin these days... their loss). An all out SPL setup would use a high-tuned ported enclosure. The compromise between the two (SQL) would be a ported system, but that is tuned low for SQ. Hope that makes sense. IMO if you are happy with the output, I dont see the need to change. Do you listen to it at full blast regularly? If not, don't bother. You will lose a bit of SQ for the sake of a little output you wouldn't be using except rarely anyway. But if you listen to it at full alot (and wish it had more), then yeah Id say try porting with a low tuning. Good luck.

He has been told this countless times. I expect another thread or post with him asking you why he should port it even though you just explained it to him. Then after that I see him posting it in SIN and SSA just to get the same answers again...



I AM DONE!

-Justin

UndercoverPunk
07-28-2005, 04:11 PM
The sad part about your post....you havent left ;)


His questions have been answered many, many times.

Now I commence to break down your post...



You dont like it then leave.



I agree that he doesnt know a lot. He has been told by many people the answers to his questions, he chooses to not listen. He has post the same questions on here, SSA, and SIN. He received all the SAME answers, yet he keeps asking them again.



Oh drop it. This is in no way about that. There are RE and SS fanboys. I would be willing to bet that the same is true if he had decided to go for the RL-P over the XXX. Who cares about that. I am NOT in any was biast, so I will say what I think about this.

The RE folks bashed Mrray in his review, they told him to add power, he did. They told him to make the box bigger, he did. They told him to port it, he did.
LS1's post, the RE folks bashed the SS folks when they told/asked him to port the RL-P, did he....no. He made comments along the lines of..."OMG THIS XXX KICKS THE RL-Ps ***!!!! IT MAKES MY HAIR MOVE, IT MAKES MY CHEST HURT!!!!!

now...BOTH PARTIES ARE IN THE WRONG HERE.





Best part about this section in your post....your adding flame to the fire. People will flame, such is life. You have no control. When you post things like this it makes other lash back.



He has been told this countless times. I expect another thread or post with him asking you why he should port it even though you just explained it to him. Then after that I see him posting it in SIN and SSA just to get the same answers again...



I AM DONE!

-Justin


I'm glad I didn't reply, cause I wouldn't have been able to explain it that well.
Things would be different if he wasn't on 3 forums getting the same answers to the same questions in a ton of different thread, atleast for me it would.
(Yes I know, no-one cares about me ;) :D )

tRiGgEr
07-28-2005, 05:21 PM
I hate people:crap:

denim
07-28-2005, 06:44 PM
Jntar has left the building,

the 9:30 show is completely different from the 10:30 show, TRY THE VEAL





j/k, this is not worth it, just a forum people, if he does not want to accept the help and guidance he has gotten all over the net that is not our probelm,

audioholic
07-28-2005, 07:24 PM
jntar, long post, filled with nothing but excuses why it's alright to treat ls1pimp like a second class member. Your large fonts do not change that in any way. If anyone here is tired if this guy's questions... here's a brilliant idea.... dont read them. Nobody forces anyone to read a post, and then flame the guy for asking. :rolleyes:

And I find it ridiculous you consider me calling out people for flaming, as a flame. Someone stands up for the guy, and you act like its nothing more than fuel to the fire. If you want to discuss someone instigating, I would be looking at the person who feels it necessary to get their point across in as large of fonts as possible. You viewpoint is very skewed.

And I'll leave if and or when I am ready, I was not asking for your permission. I was here long before you came to this board, chances are I'll still be around once you've left. Thanks for the invitation tho. :)

Next.

audioholic
07-28-2005, 07:35 PM
And you're a fool if you think this isn't about the stupid RE vs SS arguement. If it wasn't, people would be satisfied ls1pimp made a change that made HIM happy, rather than the people wanting him to change the box to fit the SS sub. I have nothing against the Rl-p (nor mrray or his review), think its a great sub, but I have to question why some people seem so angry he switched to a XXX and was HAPPY, rather than build a new box for the Rl-p. He switched, he was happy with the results, he sold the Rl-p to some other SS fan. Everyone is happy, except the haters.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 08:04 PM
Im running into some problems with the box. In my trunk i have t-top holders, i can either buidl a box in between the space, or build a box that starts above them and uses the whole length of my trunk. Here are the measurements.

small space ( in between t-top holders)

H = 19 (left to right)
D= 20 (top to bottom)
W= 13 (front to back)

big space


H = 37 (left to right)
D= 12 (top to bottom)
W= 13 (front to back)




here are pics so you can see what i mean.

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/trunk1.jpg
http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/trunk2.jpg
http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/trunk3.jpg

bimma85
07-28-2005, 08:17 PM
Im running into some problems with the box. In my trunk i have t-top holders, i can either buidl a box in between the space, or build a box that starts above them and uses the whole length of my trunk. Here are the measurements.

small space ( in between t-top holders)

H = 19 (left to right)
D= 20 (top to bottom)
W= 13 (front to back)

big space


H = 37 (left to right)
D= 12 (top to bottom)
W= 13 (front to back)




here are pics so you can see what i mean.

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/trunk1.jpg
http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/trunk2.jpg
http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/trunk3.jpg

h=height d=depth w=width I believe... but im a noob too :D. I"m not gonna read all **** 6 pages too see what e1 has said cuz I'm sure there is a lot of BS. If I were you I'd do it to re specs... check the website. I belive 2 cubes and 29hz or something. Maybe you'd be happier with something like 2.5cubes at 32 hz. Anyhow use this calculator http://www.accelerator-pedal.com/ported-box.asp or see if someone will make you a design for a small fee. If those are the dimensions after MDF you should be able to fit one. I remember you said you have a hatch... what kind of car is it? Just trying to figure out why it can only be 13" tall. I prefer having the box more than like .5" bigger than the sub.
For the record i totally agree with you audio. I have only been here since november and have noticed a quickly changing trend. Maybe its just me but it seems more of the audio intelligent people are posting less and less :crap: ..... However, 600+ posts in a month is totally not needed for questions about a few subs. At least in my opinion. When I was first here I did nothing but search.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 08:22 PM
h=height d=depth w=width I believe... but im a noob too :D. I"m not gonna read all **** 6 pages too see what e1 has said cuz I'm sure there is a lot of BS. If I were you I'd do it to re specs... check the website. I belive 2 cubes and 29hz or something. Maybe you'd be happier with something like 2.5cubes at 32 hz. Anyhow use this calculator http://www.accelerator-pedal.com/ported-box.asp or see if someone will make you a design for a small fee. If those are the dimensions after MDF you should be able to fit one. I remember you said you have a hatch... what kind of car is it? Just trying to figure out why it can only be 13" tall. I prefer having the box more than like .5" bigger than the sub.
For the record i totally agree with you audio. I have only been here since november and have noticed a quickly changing trend. Maybe its just me but it seems more of the audio intelligent people are posting less and less :crap: ..... However, 600+ posts in a month is totally not needed for questions about a few subs. At least in my opinion. When I was first here I did nothing but search.


Its a Trans Am WS6.

mrray13
07-28-2005, 08:55 PM
i got next...



but i'll let this do my talking...





these subs sound sweet..they both keep up quite well with very little overhang. they are fun to watch and nice to listen too.

as to which has better sq..it's definitely a draw...u won't be disappointed with either one.


as to which plays lower, in this application, the rl-p wins hands down. my wife's exact words," it's (the xxx) doesn't go as low. the seats don't shake as much"....that was the opinion expressed by all three of us. so the rl-p wins here.


spl...while i don't have a meter...they were very close here. my wife couldn't tell a difference while ryan and myself both thought the xxx was louder as it went up in the frequencies. the xxx wins here, but not by much..of course a mic would be needed to tell the whole truth.




hmmmmmmm...seems as though i thought the xxx was louder, while the rl-p played lower and the sq was better even........misleading yet??



overall...it's a tossup. the lighter weight of the rl-p makes it easier to handle and it does play lower in this application. the xxx, due to power rating, should have the potential to get uite a bit louder and in this case seemed to be louder with the power on hand. the xxx might just need a bigger box in this case even though re recommends .8ft^3. it just doesn't reach real low sealed, even in 1.25ft^3.


yep...seems like i thought the xxx would have the potential to be quite a bit louder ( due to power rating) and a bigger box...definitely misleading....




if i had to pick a winner, it would be the rl-p. price, easier to handle and sq bieng a touch better due to the fact that it does play lower gives it the edge..in this application. more room, more power, the xxx is definitely a contender

well, i don't believe i picked the rl-p because it got louder...really misleading now...seems as though i considered quite a few things...not just spl...



all in all..both are excellent subs....budget and space are going to be the biggest considerations...lower budget or tighter confines..take the rl-p

little more money, more room and more power..take the xxx


yep...that looks famaliar...




btw, if someone wants to send me an amp that produces 1500 wrms or so at one ohm, i'd be more then happy to use it in both the ported box and sealed box applications. my 1500d does it at 2 ohm.....so i'm out..

hmmm...i was asking for morepower to make the re fans happy...



but to be fair to the fans of the xxx..i will be doing a vented test with 750wrms..and if my trade goes thru, a vented and sealed test at 1200...

the vented box will be built according to re specs.....i just don't want anyone saying that the enclosure isn't right...i'm going by re specs because they built the sub.


what's this?? a trade?? for more power?? and a new box??



also, i still don't believe doubling it's power would've helped in the lower freq's, which is where it lost to the rl-p...it didn't seem to suffer from 750wrms anywhere else, in fact it plays quite loud, every bit as loud, if not a lil louder, then the rl-p

the re guys never got this point...except on the low end, the xxx did great with 750wrms and 1.25ft^3..and was louder...



anyway..i just picked up a orion 2400d..so i can do 1200 @ 4 and 2400 @1

and it will be done...lol..both vented and sealed,,both subs..

uhoh..yep, it's a 2500d... and yep....




at 750 wrms, these subs are really close in this box. both get low, but not real loud. both move quite a bit and sound really nice at low to mid volumes. both produce a hollow noise at upper volumes...almost like they were both bottoming out. but i don't think they are...


what got me was there was no clear difference in output between the two. the xxx appeared teh louder of the two sealed, yet didn't seem to gain anything in this box. the rl-p wasn't far behind sealed, but is dead even ported. in reality, neither one was impressive with their output. i was kinda disappointed, but tuning and vehicle probably have more to do with this then anything.


sq wise, IMO, the rl-p is still the better sounding of the two. double kicks are crisper and the transistions were seamless. both subs exhibit very little overhang and keep up with the music effortlessly. the xxx does keep up in the rumble catagory this time! both subs could reach the lowlows, there was no distinct difference as in the sealed box.


again, both subs seemed to handle the power fine, but i'm not for sure what was causing the hollow sound. it could just be that the subs are reproducing the kick sound in the kick drum more accurately then i'm used too..lol...


again, i think the output of both subs kinda got me. they just seemed to be boring. nothing impressive, just there. i mean both were loud, but sealed box loud..again, i guess tuning had alot to do with that.

i don't think either sub really like this box. it just made both subs fall flat at the top. i don't know, but the two tens that are normally in there off that same power crush both of these subs output wise in this box. maybe it's the vehicle's transeit response, the tens are tuned to 38hz. either way...i think i'm building a different box..lol...and doing this again.

if i were to choose..i'd flip a coin. for while i think the rl-p is crisper, the xxx sounds just as good. but both subs disappointed in the output part.



yep..definitely misleading..i mean i say both subs ****** in this box...



same vehicle, same power (750wrms,still gotta run wire for the orion) same box ONLY i've slugged it to around 1.9ft^3 tuned to 34 hz and i must say WOW!

both subs love this box...both subs get loud(er) and i didn't really notice any loss on the bottom end.


the noises i heard, i've determined to just be the subs actually reproducing the kick in the kick drum. i stuck my ear up next to both and i heard the exact same "noise"..lol...


they are both extremely accurate subs....i can't wait to throw more power at them as they still aren't quite loud enough for me.


getting warmer..but hey, neither was loud enough...




where do i start? with the smaller, tuned higher box, both subs just sing. loud and low...it's almost a dead heat..except..

to me the rl-p is cleaner. each note is crisper, regardless of volume. it just stays clean, low and loud.

the xxx is the louder of the two. it tends to blend notes together, but makes up for it with good lows and great output.


one of my favorite tracks to play is Europe's "It's the final countdown"..the intro is kewl as hell...both subs shook the hell outa the truck...same with outkast's speakerboxx album intro..gets low and has some serious kickdrum type bass. both subs just knocked the hell outa me..lol...


in the end only a couple of things seperate these subs.

space. the rl-p is definitely the sub to get if space is at a premium. it can reproduce lows in sealed enviroments that the xxx just can't reach. space isn't a problem? get the xxx.


power. under 1000wrms, the rl-p is the better sub. over 1000wrms, i'd suggest the xxx. not that the rl-p had any trouble with 1200wrms, but it would have preferred it in a sealed box, or even smaller ported one. the xxx took a licking and kept on tickin..i'm going to throw the 2500wrms at it tomorrow.


budget. the rl-p is definitely the better bang for the buck. all the sq of the xxx and most of it's output. plus, it works great with less power and smaller enclosures...so all around it cna save u money.



overall, here are my final impressions...

xxx:
if money, space and power isn't a problem. this is a great subwoofer. it has the sq of the rl-p with the output of a spl sub. it can take gobs of power and sounds good doing it. it does want large sealed boxes and ported ones to get real low, but in the right box, with the right power, it does indeed get low and loud. it is a lil more picky concerning enclosures and it does like power. but it does indeed do a fine job with half it's rms..it just needs a larger box to do what it can do.



rl-p:
if space, power and money is at a premium, definitely this is the sub to buy. it does great in a variety of enclosures from small sealed to medium ported. gets low in all of them..real low. gets loud too, not quite the spl machine the xxx is, but it can hold it's own with the right box. it can take more then rated power wise, but i don't think it can compete overall with the xxx in that catagory. this its the better sounding of the two,IMO. the bass was crisper throughout the volume knob. it's a great sub at a great price.


now for those who don't want to read all of it..i stated the xxx had the sq of the rl-p with the added benefit of getting loud like an spl sub....and then went on to say the rl-p sounded better but couldn't keep upin the power department and wasn't the spl machine the xxx was....



SO JUST WHAT THE HELL WAS SO MISLEADING????

let's not forget i suggested the rl-p for under 1k and the xxx for over 1k....



but yeah, i'm misleading ppl....


sorry for the long *** post..but ya know, i did everything i could to make my comparision a good one. i'm not about to let a person come along and bash that by saying i mislead ppl, especially when he did nothing like i did, nothing....(hell, i even apologized to dave for my remarks after i cooled down)



i'm done with this thread....and with ls1pimp...he's retarded, period. audioholic, i still have nothing but respect for you. now if ppl still don't get the deal..fu(k 'em...






wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeee :peace:

mrray13
07-28-2005, 08:58 PM
if a person properly addresses what he's going to do and what he is after, u can't go wrong with either of these subs. but if a person buys one thinking it'll do everything, he's in for a big disappointment. these two subs are extremely close in performance and sound. but they each have their likes and dislikes. i believe i have two winners on my hands here, if put in the proper application.


i hope this was as informational for u as it was fun for me (except for wiring my truck and listening to my wife ***** about tradeing her camera). while i didn't find an end all for subs, neither sub fits that bill, what i have are two great sounding subs which are great all around performers if given what they want. sql at it's finest!!



enough said.....like i said..i wasn't misleading anybody...



wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ee :peace:

bimma85
07-28-2005, 09:04 PM
Good points MR. But I don't think he was really talking about you in general much if any.

ls1pimp
07-28-2005, 09:14 PM
Umm please stop arguing about the RL-P vs the XXX, the purpose of this thread is to see if i can fit any ported box at all in my trunk. Those specs i posted are not including MDF. Also, what is the mounting depth of a 12 inch XXX?

60ndown
07-28-2005, 09:16 PM
:crazy: :rotflol: :wallbash: :smokin: :naughty: :crap: :read: :*******: :waycrazy:


every subwoofer/enclosure will sound different in every car.

THE END!

mrray13
07-28-2005, 09:17 PM
Umm please stop arguing about the RL-P vs the XXX, the purpose of this thread is to see if i can fit any ported box at all in my trunk. Those specs i posted are not including MDF. Also, what is the mounting depth of a 12 inch XXX?


u are a bastard child aren't u?? u have a 12" xxx, but u don't know the mounting depth???? WTF???




idiot....

u don't deserve a sub as nice as the xxx or rl-p.....hell, ur not worthy of a funky pup...





wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee :slayer:

60ndown
07-28-2005, 09:19 PM
Umm please stop arguing about the RL-P vs the XXX, the purpose of this thread is to see if i can fit any ported box at all in my trunk. Those specs i posted are not including MDF. Also, what is the mounting depth of a 12 inch XXX?


the trouble is people have answerd all your questions more than once and you ask the same question again and again and again! - re read all the posts in your thread-z,buy some tools build a box! if you dont like it, build another slightly different one...thats what we do!

bimma85
07-28-2005, 09:19 PM
Umm please stop arguing about the RL-P vs the XXX, the purpose of this thread is to see if i can fit any ported box at all in my trunk. Those specs i posted are not including MDF. Also, what is the mounting depth of a 12 inch XXX?
Are you extremely loaded with cash?? If not next time you buy a woofer I suggest finding out if a proper box will fit your vehicle... before you buy the sub :D.

audiolife
07-28-2005, 09:58 PM
u are a bastard child aren't u?? u have a 12" xxx, but u don't know the mounting depth???? WTF???




idiot....

u don't deserve a sub as nice as the xxx or rl-p.....hell, ur not worthy of a funky pup...





wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee :slayer:
lol he pissed you off didnt he? i have heard both subs (more of the re than ss) and find the ss to sound ALOT better but the xxx were most of the time in bigger ported boxxes with a couple amps on each woofer. even in sealed i liked the ss better. not saying the xxx is bad i just consider it alot more of an spl type sub than a sq sub. i know a guy that has both jl w6v2 ported in one ride and an re xxx sealed in the other car the w6 ported is still smoother

Johnny Drama
07-28-2005, 10:28 PM
jntar, long post, filled with nothing but excuses why it's alright to treat ls1pimp like a second class member. Your large fonts do not change that in any way. If anyone here is tired if this guy's questions... here's a brilliant idea.... dont read them. Nobody forces anyone to read a post, and then flame the guy for asking. :rolleyes:

I have no problems with the large letters. Sure they were excuses...but well warranted ones that explain why every one is getting so huffy twords him. I choose to read them for the entertainment. (Real quick interjection...I cant spell for ****.:crazy: )


And I find it ridiculous you consider me calling out people for flaming, as a flame. Someone stands up for the guy, and you act like its nothing more than fuel to the fire. If you want to discuss someone instigating, I would be looking at the person who feels it necessary to get their point across in as large of fonts as possible. You viewpoint is very skewed.

Maybe I worded that wrong or you took it wrong I dont know. My point was that when the flaming starts there will be no end, such is forum life. Creating responces to the flamming does nothing but tell the flamers that they are doing what they have set out to accomplish.

Again, I have no problem with large lettering. If you do please take it up with the admin to fix however he sees fit.


And I'll leave if and or when I am ready, I was not asking for your permission. I was here long before you came to this board, chances are I'll still be around once you've left. Thanks for the invitation tho. :)

Next.

Thats cool, I knew that you werent leaving. No one really ever does. I know you were not asking for my permission. Time or post count means nothing to me. You have been here what? 9 months longer. No biggie, I dont care. Chances are that we will both have this "civilized" arguement and move on. I am going no where. Well, thats it for this post, time to move on to the other one you made...

-Justin



And you're a fool if you think this isn't about the stupid RE vs SS arguement. If it wasn't, people would be satisfied ls1pimp made a change that made HIM happy, rather than the people wanting him to change the box to fit the SS sub. I have nothing against the Rl-p (nor mrray or his review), think its a great sub, but I have to question why some people seem so angry he switched to a XXX and was HAPPY, rather than build a new box for the Rl-p. He switched, he was happy with the results, he sold the Rl-p to some other SS fan. Everyone is happy, except the haters.

Hmm...this post...I dont appriciate you calling me a fool. Thats OK though, life ***** and you cant have everything.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think that Mrray's review turned into a RE vs. SS flame war?

I dont see why every one is worried too. Although personally I would have ported the RL-P to see if I like that before I spent another $400. All in all, you seem to be a pretty cool guy. I have nothing against you. Do me a favor though, if we are going to continue this argument/discussion, please...PLEASE...lets be the bigger person and not resort to name calling.

One last thing. I am glad he found what he wanted, even if he is now looking into porting the XXX. I dont feel that LS1 will regret it. Well, maybe his ears will :up2somet:

And with that I pass the baton over to you for further discussion. If you have no responce (which I know you will have one) have a great evening/life and best of wishes.

-Justin

audioholic
07-28-2005, 10:28 PM
For the record, I think ls1pimp should call RE directly and ask them about an enclosure. I know from personal experience that more than one person there loves to talk and talk about enclosures for xxx's. :D I think hearing it from an RE rep, over the phone, will mean alot more than the written words of people here. I agree our help doesn't seem to be sinking in, perhaps that will work better. :)

mrray13
07-28-2005, 10:34 PM
For the record, I think ls1pimp should call RE directly and ask them about an enclosure. I know from personal experience that more than one person there loves to talk and talk about enclosures for xxx's. :D I think hearing it from an RE rep, over the phone, will mean alot more than the written words of people here. I agree our help doesn't seem to be sinking in, perhaps that will work better. :)



brilliant!! and i hope he does just that!!!!!





lol he pissed you off didnt he? i have heard both subs (more of the re than ss) and find the ss to sound ALOT better but the xxx were most of the time in bigger ported boxxes with a couple amps on each woofer. even in sealed i liked the ss better. not saying the xxx is bad i just consider it alot more of an spl type sub than a sq sub. i know a guy that has both jl w6v2 ported in one ride and an re xxx sealed in the other car the w6 ported is still smoother


yeah, he did....lol.....and i'm glad u got to hear both subs.....but hte w6 smoother? hmmmmm....what does the owner of both think? i mean, the xxx is designed to battle teh w7, and i think it does a good job of that. but the w6's ive heard (ported as well) were loud and clean.




wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeee :peace:

audioholic
07-28-2005, 10:42 PM
jntar... *sigh*

Okay let me start off saying the 'you are a fool if' statement was meant as a figure of speech. I did not use your name in that reply nor did I address you or anyone specifically. But since my previous post was directed towards you, I can see your presumption. It was not meant to call you (or anyone specifically) a fool. It was meant to express my belief that the thought was an obvious one, not an expression of anyone here's competency. I find it oddly amusing you are trying to use that figure of speech as some way of saying Im degrading this conversation, and that you are taking the high road. Most boards on the net consider large fonts to be yelling, and frankly you are doing alot of yelling. So Im not going to sweat too much over you being butt hurt over my vague fool comment. But I can appreciate that you are showing the sign of wanting a mature conversation here, I applaud you for that.

No idea where you got the 9 months comment. My current join date shows longer than that, and this is not my fist handle on this forum. ;) All inn all I agree, not turning this into some post count thing, but I found it funny you used the lame old 'then leave' thing on me when Ive been seeing it since before you probably knew this board existed. It was a smart-*** comment that I replied to with equal sarcasm I guess, nothing more.

Lastly, 'taking it up with admin' has no bearing on you using large fonts. The admin does not stand over your shoulder an demand you act mature (refrain from yelling) beyond what breaks the boards rules. It is up to you how you act within those rules. Yell and scream your point all you want, it does not make you or your arguement look any better, I can assure you. Take this as constructive criticism, as its not meant as a flame, merely an observation. Have a nice day.

supa_c
07-28-2005, 10:47 PM
And the " last word" award goes to.....Audioholic !

audioholic
07-28-2005, 10:53 PM
And the " last word" award goes to.....Audioholic !
Its an award... its a flame... all in one! lol

Good one supa :D

Johnny Drama
07-28-2005, 10:54 PM
I edited the 9 months thing earlier. I was suppost to say, 9 months longer.

The large font was my burst for joy that I had finished typing that post, hence the "I am done" comment. In the second post, that was just for kicks.

You have a nice day too :D

-Justin

supa_c
07-28-2005, 10:55 PM
Double pwnage...:woot:

mrray13
07-28-2005, 11:08 PM
last word..



wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeee :peace:

Johnny Drama
07-28-2005, 11:25 PM
Nope its mine ;)

DBfan187
07-28-2005, 11:30 PM
mine ho!

Acidburn
07-29-2005, 12:00 AM
i believe i have the last word now :)

i are teh win

DBfan187
07-29-2005, 01:43 AM
if I delete it, I shall win;)

Acidburn
07-29-2005, 01:45 AM
i can keep this up all night Mike
and i stay up later

DBfan187
07-29-2005, 01:47 AM
what?

I'd just skip work and post.

Acidburn
07-29-2005, 02:52 AM
ya, sure

denim
07-29-2005, 02:31 PM
IATL