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95Prober
07-24-2005, 11:02 PM
hi guys. well this would be my first time buying a product such as these, and i was wondering if i could get some opinions. now i have a non-mp3 pioneer deck, a older model, but if was to get a protable player such as these, i would use the adapter and rca/pin cables to connect it to my head unit. thing is,

when u connect it to the "Aux" of the head unit, do u have to control the songs etc. through the ipod OR can it be controlled by the deck?? if i CANT control from the deck, then what mp3 player is easier to change tracks etc. while in the car as far as controlling in ur hand, pushing buttons etc? i dont really listen to music OUTSIDE the car, so the device will more or less stay in the car at all times. smaller is better sometimes but not always. if its too small, then it will be hard to push the buttons etc. while on the go.

and can u use the cigarette lighter as a power source AND have it connected to the "Aux" pioner adapter AT THE SAME TIME??


also, which is a better choice? i was searching around, and i read where there are 4th generation ipods now. wow! didnt know that .
how can i distinguish the differences between them?

i also read, iriver is a better product. but i dont know personally. i just want a player that will play my mp3 tracks AS IF they were burned onto a cd-r disk. as far as space is concerned, well that will be factored in later AFTER i choose a brand.


thanks for any help

AndyB
07-24-2005, 11:03 PM
get the creative labs thing

creater
07-24-2005, 11:25 PM
the ipods are wicked cool...but i too have heard that the iriver beats it in some categories!!!


check cnet.com reviews...they do have some useful info at times

SixthFloorFreak
07-24-2005, 11:28 PM
i love my 4GB Ipod Mini, but i'm using it with an Alpine 9833 and the Alpine adaptor, so i control it from the HU. its perfect for a hardcore streetbeater becaue it won't skip

:D

95Prober
07-25-2005, 12:43 AM
can ipod or iriver be controlled from a pioneer deck?? mines a non-mp3 deck also. its a few years old. but the pioneer adapter can be installed to connect the unit. just wondering if i will have on-screen access or i have to use the ipod/irver controls??

cjjackson85
07-25-2005, 12:48 AM
What a coincidence, I have one of each for sale...

BTW the Pioneer iPod adapter only controls from the deck with decks made after 2005, with a P in the model number. iRivers can only be connected through an auxillary input.

stones
07-25-2005, 12:50 AM
can ipod or iriver be controlled from a pioneer deck?? mines a non-mp3 deck also. its a few years old. but the pioneer adapter can be installed to connect the unit. just wondering if i will have on-screen access or i have to use the ipod/irver controls??
Your deck will not control anything except for volume, but you must remember these units are very small and can be mounted right on your console for easy access, just set you volume on the HU and control the tracks with the MP3 player.
As for power, alot of these units will go for a considerable amount of time off of a battery these days (not like the old portable cd players) Power adapters can be found for them though at Radioshack (the source) and other such places.

Phrogger
07-25-2005, 12:53 AM
iRiver all the way, blows the iPod out of the water in every aspect. Sound quality, features, battery life, everything, it's awsome. I have the iRiver H120, and I'm selling it right now actually to afford an H140 (It's the same thing as the H120, just 40GB.. I need more space.. both models with discontinued, but if you ask anybody, the H100 series is much better musically than the H300's -- they tried to do too much with the H300's and ended up degrading the quality of the device). It's 20GB, I still have all the original accessories, 'has always been kept in it's leather case so it's in great condition. PM if you're interested ;) </shamelessplug>

cjjackson85
07-25-2005, 12:58 AM
but if you ask anybody, the H100 series is much better musically than the H300's -- they tried to do too much with the H300's and ended up degrading the quality of the device)...
Wrong.

Phrogger
07-25-2005, 01:01 AM
I've personally owned both... IMO if you're interested in a portable player for music, the H100 series is a much better option (which is why i'll be trying to hunt down an H140 on ebay or somewhere as opposed to getting the newer model from a retailer), if you want pictures and a color and a cheap flimsy plastic player the H300 would better suit you.

cjjackson85
07-25-2005, 01:04 AM
I've personally owned both... IMO if you're interested in a portable player for music, the H100 series is a much better option, if you want pictures and a color and a cheap flimsy plastic player the H300 would better suit you.
I have also owned both. I encode all of my music with EAC/Lame @ 320kbs from their original source CDs. I have both Shure E5's ($500) and Ultimate Ears Pro 10's ($950, custom molded to my ears). Don't get me started with SQ between the two. I've spent over $1500 on these earphones alone... I think I should know.

Phrogger
07-25-2005, 01:11 AM
Err, I rip with EAC/OggEncGT3b1 (modified vorbis encoder) @ -q8 (~320kbps VBR) from the original source myself. And just because you spent $1,500 on headphones for a portable jukebox that didnt cost you 1/4th of that doesn't make you the end-all sound quality judge.


.....


IMO

cjjackson85
07-25-2005, 01:14 AM
Yes it does... I = teh w!n!

btnhfan
07-25-2005, 01:17 AM
Creative zen
I have the touch, but the mini is great too

cjjackson85
07-25-2005, 01:18 AM
Well anyways... my vote goes to the iAudio X5. :)

95Prober
07-25-2005, 05:48 AM
What a coincidence, I have one of each for sale...

BTW the Pioneer iPod adapter only controls from the deck with decks made after 2005, with a P in the model number. iRivers can only be connected through an auxillary input.

well, i got a pioneer DEH-P600, premier model a few years back. for sure before 2004. it has a "P" in the model number, but would it still work?

also, what model is you "iriver" ??

95Prober
07-25-2005, 06:03 AM
anyone know if i will have ON-SCREEN control on an OLDER pioneer model, around 2002 with an "ipod" ??? please dont reply about sony and ipod. i just wanna know this. i assume i will have to use the "Aux" adapter from pioneer (35$) , but i dont want to get that other special 100$ adapter that pioneer makes for ipods. too expensive! and too much hassle, so i may stick with getting an iriver

stones
07-25-2005, 03:46 PM
No.

cjjackson85
07-25-2005, 10:51 PM
well, i got a pioneer DEH-P600, premier model a few years back. for sure before 2004. it has a "P" in the model number, but would it still work?

also, what model is you "iriver" ??
H320, comes with a 3year BB warranty...

I think if it was pre2005 it will connect via the IPBus but it can't be controlled through the headunit... You should contact Pioneer to find out for sure...

bamaboy
07-25-2005, 10:54 PM
i went out and bought a creative zen micro, its a awsome mp3 player, i read up on the reviews, on some different ones and plus the zen micro can use napsters 2 go program where you can load up any amount of songs you want on the mp3 player for 15$ a month, instead of 99 censt a song just pay 15$ and put ever how many you want on there http://www.napster.com/ntg.html
here are th cnet reviews for different categories of mp3 players
micro hard drive(ipod mini, zen micro, etc) http://reviews.cnet.com/4521-6532_7-5021434-4.html?tag=dir.tmmp
Hard drive players reg(ipod, zen touch,etc) http://reviews.cnet.com/Music/4521-6532_7-5021434-3.html?tag=dir.thdmp
get what ever size you want but i cant think of enough songs to fill my 5gb worth so i dont see the need for 20gb+ IMO, but for others it might be neccessary O_o

but i love my zen micro, the cool blue glow is mesmerising :naughty: and i think the controls are easy to use once figured out, and you can get a good bit different colors with the zen micro, i chose black but there are 10 others i think, it also has a radio if you need it, and also it can record off the radio

edit: and notice the zen got the same score as the ipod, dosent mean its better or worse just their opinion, but i love mine and would reccommend it to anyone

95Prober
07-26-2005, 10:39 AM
H320, comes with a 3year BB warranty...

I think if it was pre2005 it will connect via the IPBus but it can't be controlled through the headunit... You should contact Pioneer to find out for sure...


how much for the H320 ???