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Greg200SE-R
07-13-2005, 08:32 PM
I am just about sold on this head unit, but have a few questions about it before taking the plunge:

-- When setting the time alignment, are you able to hear the "steps" as you adjust it? Or do you need to make your adjustment and then hit the pause/enter button to hear the new setting? For example, if you are adjusting for a certain speaker, can you hear each change immediately as you repeatedly hit the up/down buttons?

-- Same question as above, but for crossover frequency adjustment and level adjustment

-- For an active 2-way front stage and sub (no rear speakers) can you use standard mode and still have a bandpass filter for the front midbass speakers? It sounds like there is no high pass filter, forcing the midbass to play the subbass frequencies... If this is true, then can the unit be used in 4-way (multi) mode and use the "low" outputs for my midbass and the "high" for the tweeters (ignoring the "mid" outputs) and have a seamless transition between mid/tweets?

Basically I have 6 1/2" comps, and through lots of listening, have already determined that the best-sounding XO points in my car are:

Sub: 63Hz/18dB, Midbass: 63Hz/12dB to 800Hz/6dB, Tweeters 1600Hz/6dB and up (tweeters also have an on-amp 12dB HP filter@900Hz as a fail-safe).

Which mode (standard or multi) will best accomodate these settings? Thank you for taking the time to read through this post. The 9255 sounds like an amazing HU. I wish the convenience of mp3s were available tho...

99StangGt
07-14-2005, 11:45 AM
have you looked at the manual? you can look at it on the clarion website.

Clarion Manuals (http://www.clarion.com/usa/support/manuals/index.html)

I am sold on them, bought one yesterday.

Greg200SE-R
07-14-2005, 03:22 PM
have you looked at the manual? you can look at it on the clarion website.

Clarion Manuals (http://www.clarion.com/usa/support/manuals/index.html)

I am sold on them, bought one yesterday.

Thank you for the link 99StangGt, but I've already checked that out. It doesn't state specifically if you can hear each time-correction "step" immediately when you press the up/down buttons... or if the changes aren't audible until the enter/pause button is pressed.

This is absolutely crucial to setting time alignment by ear... to continuously listen to the time steps until a sweet spot is reached... Can an owner please verify this when you get the chance? Much appreciated!

cjjackson85
07-14-2005, 03:39 PM
Everything is adjusted in realtime...

Greg200SE-R
07-14-2005, 05:32 PM
Everything is adjusted in realtime...

Perfect, thanks for the clear, concise response. Clarion will soon have another customer! Upgrading to the 'DRZ from 2 defective Eclipse CD8455s...

cjjackson85
07-15-2005, 03:44 PM
I upgraded from the 8454, you'll be impressed...

99StangGt
07-15-2005, 08:08 PM
Funny im upgrading from a 8454 too.

Greg200SE-R
07-16-2005, 07:05 AM
I upgraded from the 8454, you'll be impressed...



Funny im upgrading from a 8454 too.

Hmmm I seem to be part of a trend! Eclipse to Clarion. Honestly, a couple of weeks ago, I would have never considered buying a Clarion because I thought of them as being second-rate... Until the 9255 blew that opinion out of the water.

Although the Eclipse CD8455 worked incredibly well for me, the right-hand knob went bad within 2 weeks on both of the units I tried.

The features and DSP of the Clarion caught my eye, but the turning point was when I figured out the Clarion has FIVE TIMES the precision between time-delay steps than the Eclipse and Alpine PXA-H701 processor.. 2.5 times the precision of Pioneer P9 combo... I was impressed.

Great DACs and DSP will deliver a cleaner and more detailed signal, but I think the key to getting the best imaging and soundstaging out of active components is time alignment (and careful crossover settings). I can't wait to hear the Clarion in my car!

99StangGt
07-16-2005, 01:59 PM
I always thought of clarion as second best also. Then i found out that clarion bought Mcintosh and that the 9255 has alot of Mcintosh in it. And I love the 4-way crossover with level adjustments. That was one thing i didnt like about the Eclipse.

OnYrMrk
07-28-2005, 12:44 AM
I always thought of clarion as second best also. Then i found out that clarion bought Mcintosh and that the 9255 has alot of Mcintosh in it. And I love the 4-way crossover with level adjustments. That was one thing i didnt like about the Eclipse.



Not just alot, every internal from that HU is McIntosh. That HU is the next best thing to the McIntosh MC406 HU.

DAC's are in-chassis on the Clarion, DAC's are on umbilical chassis on McIntosh

BodegaBay
07-28-2005, 04:56 AM
Funny you guys mentioned it but I actually tried the DRZ9255 for ~8 mos. and eventually returned to Eclipse. The latest Eclipse 8455 gave me all the DSP flexibility (including 24db slope) that I didn't have in the Clarion.

To my ears, the 9255 sounded a tad warm. It is undoubtedly the best looking H/U with perfect tactile feel and top notch build quality [copper chassis, machine metal faceplate, REAL glass LCD window (not polycarbonate crap), and a volume knob(!) to die for]. Alas my first unit's LCD died on me but Clarion USA replaced it with a completly new unit. I sold the new unit to to a lucky owner here.

If you buy the Clarion, I highly recommend buying it from an authorized dealer. I confirmed with Clarion sales that CarDomain.com was an auth. dealer and bought it from them for ~ $775 through a price match. Search Froogle.com for the lowest price then ask CarDomain.com to match. They came close by $30 but worth it for the 2 (or was it 3?) year mfg. warranty.

In the past 2.5 years I have tried most flagship models with the exception of Alpine's F1 and Pioneer P9 combo.

I lived with the Alpine 9815 (too thin), revisited Sony C90 (way too warm), compared Eclipse 8053 vs. 8443 (pratically the same SQ), lived Eclipse 8443 (great SQ, limited x-over flexibility, no satellite, no MP3), switched to Clarion 9255 (a touch warm, limited x-over slope), in-car demoed the Alpine 9855 (iGlide novelty at best, still strained and thin) and now decided to rest with the Eclipse 8455 because they finally made made it much more flexible to tune. However, one will not mistake the 8455's looks with the luscious DRZ!

Good luck with yours.

http://www.parkaveelectronics.com/images/big/DRZ9255.jpg

Bake
07-28-2005, 12:56 PM
So did you sell your 9255? Might it be for sale?

Kali77
07-28-2005, 01:05 PM
Yep he sold it. To me :veryhapp: Thanks Bodega ;)

Bake
07-28-2005, 01:27 PM
Figured that, but had to ask. lol

JLCivic
07-28-2005, 01:28 PM
Hmmm I seem to be part of a trend! Eclipse to Clarion. Honestly, a couple of weeks ago, I would have never considered buying a Clarion because I thought of them as being second-rate... Until the 9255 blew that opinion out of the water.

Although the Eclipse CD8455 worked incredibly well for me, the right-hand knob went bad within 2 weeks on both of the units I tried.

The features and DSP of the Clarion caught my eye, but the turning point was when I figured out the Clarion has FIVE TIMES the precision between time-delay steps than the Eclipse and Alpine PXA-H701 processor.. 2.5 times the precision of Pioneer P9 combo... I was impressed.

Great DACs and DSP will deliver a cleaner and more detailed signal, but I think the key to getting the best imaging and soundstaging out of active components is time alignment (and careful crossover settings). I can't wait to hear the Clarion in my car!


I love eclipse decks, but for the price difference between an eclipse and a 9255, it certainly should be an upgrade.

BodegaBay
07-28-2005, 01:37 PM
Yep he sold it. To me :veryhapp: Thanks Bodega ;)

Kali,

Good to hear from you again. How is that "old school" audiophile system of yours coming along? Have you connected all the components? How's the DRZ9255 running for you. I gotta admit, I missed the classy feel that unit exudes!

Give us some pics, will ya?

3.5Max6spd
07-28-2005, 01:42 PM
I love eclipse decks, but for the price difference between an eclipse and a 9255, it certainly should be an upgrade.

One would think so. . BUt its the only deck that allows you go full active on a 3way fronstage. So for those that need it in a single DIN,that its the solution.

I saw a few of those in actual SQ cars I got to audition over the weekend at an ECA regional meet. Nothing 'magical' in its performance-great sound as expected, and as Bodega said packed some warmth, but def drop dead gorgeous and a solid knob. I'm not ditching my 8455, I wasn't that impressed- It does what i need and it does it just as well as a DRZ would on my setup- actually corection, it couldn't -s it doesnt have 24db slopes as I like to use on my active fronstage.

BodegaBay
07-28-2005, 01:56 PM
I had the same conclusion as Max. After returning to Eclipse, I realized that I liked their sound characteristics and DSP implementation over Clarion's -- it's just a personal preference. With the DRZ, I had to set the sampling frequency to 96kHz to add depth that was missing.

And since I detest using outboard x-overs and equalizers, I was ecstatic to see that Eclipse finally gave their flagship head-unit more flexible settings such as 24db slopes and lower cut of frequencies. I loved the DRZ and am bummed that it lacked the flexibility I needed.

Greg200SE-R
07-28-2005, 08:45 PM
I'm not ditching my 8455... It does what i need and it does it just as well as a DRZ would on my setup- actually corection, it couldn't -s it doesnt have 24db slopes as I like to use on my active fronstage.

And since I detest using outboard x-overs and equalizers, I was ecstatic to see that Eclipse finally gave their flagship head-unit more flexible settings such as 24db slopes and lower cut of frequencies. I loved the DRZ and am bummed that it lacked the flexibility I needed.
Hours and hours of tweaking my (returned) Eclipse 8455 has taught me that I have no need for anything higher than 18dB slopes... In fact, I liked the sound of 6dB slopes for my mids+tweets much better than 12, 18 or 24dB! Of course, with such a shallow slope I ended up with staggered frequencies (800Hz LP and 1600Hz HP, for a -3dB point around 1200Hz) rather than a common HP/LP frequency. 6dB seemed to let the highs and lows mesh together a lot better.

This REALLY opened up the sound, height- and width-wise. It leaves no sound "gaps" between the mids and tweeters like the 12 to 24dB slopes did. Even my sub/mid XO ended up with only 12dB slopes. So, for my car at least, the Clarion has a flexible enough crossover plus more precise time-alignment, which is what I wanted in the Eclipse.

I would have liked MP3 capability and HD/SAT radio though. I will miss the memory stick feature as well.

slick316
08-01-2005, 12:14 AM
i went from an eclipse 8053 to a 9255, it was a nice upgrade in my opinion. i barely had to make adjustments to the unit for me to get great sound.
i recently bought an AVN, after using the unit for a month i concluded that its just not worthy of the eclipse name, the sound isnt even as good as the low end $179 eclipse, i tried both and the low end eclipse sounded better.
tried a 8445 also, not nearly as nice sounding as my 9255. i really think that the 8053 is eclipses closes offering to the 9255.
the fact that the 9255 works well with minimal adjustments is what i like. i have NO EQ adjustments, no time alignment adjustments, the only thing i have adjusted are the crossover points and slopes, thats it.
i hand it to eclipse though, so many features for the price, if the 9255 didnt exist, i would probably have an eclipse in my car right now.

JLCivic
08-01-2005, 12:19 AM
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JLCivic
08-01-2005, 12:20 AM
i went from an eclipse 8053 to a 9255, it was a nice upgrade in my opinion. i barely had to make adjustments to the unit for me to get great sound.
i recently bought an AVN, after using the unit for a month i concluded that its just not worthy of the eclipse name, the sound isnt even as good as the low end $179 eclipse, i tried both and the low end eclipse sounded better.
tried a 8445 also, not nearly as nice sounding as my 9255. i really think that the 8053 is eclipses closes offering to the 9255.
the fact that the 9255 works well with minimal adjustments is what i like. i have NO EQ adjustments, no time alignment adjustments, the only thing i have adjusted are the crossover points and slopes, thats it.
i hand it to eclipse though, so many features for the price, if the 9255 didnt exist, i would probably have an eclipse in my car right now.
Any Eclipse I ever had sounded excellent, set flat. I certainly am not questioning that you believe the 9255 sounds better than an 8 series eclipse. Given the price difference, it certainly should. If I have the $$$, I may try the 9255, although I am not sure how much better it will sound than my 8250(if at all). Only one way to know for sure.