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bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 10:10 PM
I'm thinking of redoing the box i have right now for my 3 tens, and thought it'd look tight if i were to just put carbon fiber on the baffle, the carpet the rest. would i just sand the baffle a bit, then lay the carbon fiber sheet on resin? is carbon fiber transparent at all? is there a type of clear coat i would use to get rid of the carbon fiber's texture and laminate it? HELP!

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 10:12 PM
www.selectproducts.com

bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 10:32 PM
man that sites a rip off. they have the same MEKP dispenser i bought for $5, theyre selling it for $15.

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 10:35 PM
but i believe they have a tutorial or something.

bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 10:39 PM
didnt see any type of tutorial....

req
06-16-2005, 10:39 PM
yea. just make sure the sheet is bigger than the baffle... and get some CLEAR finishing resin to do it.


the surface needs to be BABY smooth before you lay it down BTW.

bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 10:42 PM
yea. just make sure the sheet is bigger than the baffle... and get some CLEAR finishing resin to do it.


the surface needs to be BABY smooth before you lay it down BTW.

so i'd bondo/woodfill all the screw holes. sand baffle with like 220, then 400.

do i use regulare resin at first, then the finishing resin? or just the finishing resin? and the finishing resin will completely fill the texture of the carbon fiber? what tool would i use to apply the finishing resin? Brushes would probably leave brush stroke marks.

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 10:53 PM
im guessin something like bondo spreader would work, or even a credit card style squegee

req
06-16-2005, 10:55 PM
so i'd bondo/woodfill all the screw holes. sand baffle with like 220, then 400.

do i use regulare resin at first, then the finishing resin? or just the finishing resin? and the finishing resin will completely fill the texture of the carbon fiber? what tool would i use to apply the finishing resin? Brushes would probably leave brush stroke marks.

yea, make sure its baby smooth. dont want any uglies.

but as for resin, use complete finishing resin. that ugly brown color is not somthing you wanna see :)

like you normally would, paint a layer of it on the baffle, put the CF down (make sure its as smooooth as you can possibly make it, because you WILL see it.

then paint over that with another layer of finishing resin (this stuff is 100% clear). after it dries, do a few more layers to get it thick, sand with a block, and polish with some 800grit wetsand.

should come out shiny as a motherfucker, and look shwweeet.

bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 10:56 PM
im guessin something like bondo spreader would work, or even a credit card style squegee

a bondo spreader? really? for resin? i was thinking more along the lines of a paint roller. but REQ, can you answer the questions from my previous post?

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 11:26 PM
reason i said something of that nature is, it will collect all the extra resin and u wont have lumps or anything. a roller u are gunna get a fuzzie finish because it itself is not smooth *its not like painting a wall*

bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 11:27 PM
hmm, so hard.....what about resin, then rustoleum clear coat?

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 11:28 PM
rustoleum=teh suxor IMO id rather get someone to spray it with real clear, but the resin is a FINISHING resin.....meaning their is no need for a clear.

req
06-16-2005, 11:28 PM
dude. resin will autolevel itself. its not thick enough to need a spreader.

just get a paintbrush with regular bristles (dont cut them off) and use that. i guarantee it wont have paint brush marks.

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 11:30 PM
dude. resin will autolevel itself. its not thick enough to need a spreader.




learn something new everyday, just figured my suggestion had some logic behind it without knowing that fact :)

bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 11:33 PM
you mentioned blocking it, then wet sanding it with 800. what grit do i use on the block? and whats the wet sanding process? i've never done it..... to you just soak the sand paper or what?

jujumantb
06-16-2005, 11:35 PM
you mentioned blocking it, then wet sanding it with 800. what grit do i use on the block? and whats the wet sanding process? i've never done it..... to you just soak the sand paper or what?
Wetsanding just keeps the stuff you sand off from clogging the paper, if you have ever sanded with really fine grain paper, you know it clogs easily if you dont wetsand. Just have a bucket of water and dip the paper in it, also wipe down the thing you are sanding if you feel inclined, you just want it coated in water.

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 11:37 PM
wet sanding is pretty much what he said, u will feel the dirt and stuff in the paper as u sand, just be ready to wash every little bit with a hose. also........buff or wax when ur done with some compound and glaze

edit:::::: whenever u sand ANYTHING u want straight...ALWAYS USE A BLOCK!!!!
edit2:::: if u dont u will see waves in the resin/clear or whatever u are sanding from the different pressures your fingers had on the object as u sanded.

supa_c
06-16-2005, 11:41 PM
Some people are just so thick headed :rolleyes:

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 11:46 PM
Some people are just so thick headed :rolleyes:



was that directed towards me? if it was..please explain.

supa_c
06-16-2005, 11:48 PM
No ;)

bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 11:50 PM
No ;)

yea where the hell did that come from?

bcarpenterfhl
06-16-2005, 11:50 PM
what grit do i initially use on the sanding block?

supa_c
06-16-2005, 11:52 PM
yea where the hell did that come from?
From me.

saywhat?
06-16-2005, 11:53 PM
id say 320-400. honestly......id wet sane the whole time, dont dry sand....thats just me though.

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 12:58 AM
this is my idea for it. flush mounted with the carpet going to the edges like so. tell me what you guys think.

http://img182.echo.cx/img182/6589/myidea2ya.jpg

req
06-17-2005, 02:35 AM
this is my idea for it. flush mounted with the carpet going to the edges like so. tell me what you guys think.

http://img182.echo.cx/img182/6589/myidea2ya.jpg

thats a good idea.

in fact, you can make your box like that and dont mount the front CF baffle...

mount the front of the box back 1\2", and get some 1\2" MDF, and ccoat it in a thin layer of resin...

might wanna coat the rest of the box with resin too (just incase you get it wet - dont want it to be ruined when you wetsand)

then do the process listed above. if you wanna get real snazzy, make some 1\2" baffles and put them on the 1\2" board, and 'fillet' the edges with some bondo. then sand it down smooth, resin it, CF it, resin it smore, wetsand it, and cut the middle CF circles out. then mount this to your box (glue it on with some resin) and put the speakers in :)

would look really clean and awesome with the CF front :)

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 03:07 AM
thats a good idea.

in fact, you can make your box like that and dont mount the front CF baffle...

mount the front of the box back 1\2", and get some 1\2" MDF, and ccoat it in a thin layer of resin...

might wanna coat the rest of the box with resin too (just incase you get it wet - dont want it to be ruined when you wetsand)

then do the process listed above. if you wanna get real snazzy, make some 1\2" baffles and put them on the 1\2" board, and 'fillet' the edges with some bondo. then sand it down smooth, resin it, CF it, resin it smore, wetsand it, and cut the middle CF circles out. then mount this to your box (glue it on with some resin) and put the speakers in :)

would look really clean and awesome with the CF front :)

i'm having trouble visualizing what you're saying. if all of this you mentioned was for the purpose of not having the screws show on the carbon face, i was just going to staple in from the top, sides, and bottom anyway. i'm keeping the not carboned baffle recessed 3/4 in. because thats the exact depth of the rim of the subs, so the 3/4 mdf will flush it nicely.

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 03:29 AM
so is this the resin i should buy?
http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=36&

it says only to use as a finishing layer, can i use this for the entire process? and this is clear, not that color that looks like pee thats been in the toilet for a long time, right?

and should i use this http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=31& as well? or will the above be sufficient in giving it the glass look?

and can anyone give me a link for some good looking carbon fiber?

supa_c
06-17-2005, 04:15 AM
That site has CF

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 04:26 AM
expensive though

supa_c
06-17-2005, 04:54 AM
Since when was CF cheap ?

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 04:56 AM
i know its expensive to begin with, but tap plastics is known for its overpriced products.

req
06-17-2005, 12:30 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4555416703&category=35580&sspagename=WDVW

$35 isnt that expensive :p:

heres some more
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26197&item=7523932147&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64657&item=7162498010&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34063&item=5981395505&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4556630072&category=6755&sspagename=WDVW

http://search.ebay.com/carbon-fiber-cloth_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

theCybe
06-17-2005, 01:52 PM
That stuff is ****.

Wonder what the deal on the Kevlar tracers is? Seems like MFG defect to me, never seen that before.

req
06-17-2005, 01:59 PM
yea, but they are SLEEVES and not sheets. would be SWEET if that was made in sheets. i couldnt imagine how cool it would be for an install.

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 04:50 PM
so is this the resin i should buy?
http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=36&

it says only to use as a finishing layer, can i use this for the entire process? and this is clear, not that color that looks like pee thats been in the toilet for a long time, right?

and should i use this http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=31& as well? or will the above be sufficient in giving it the glass look?



can someone answer that^^^

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 05:08 PM
bumped, i'm about to go to Tap Plastics and pick up the stuff.

req
06-17-2005, 05:10 PM
i said eairler

ONLY USE FINISHING RESIN - you dont wanna see a nasty brown layer in your CF.

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 05:14 PM
what about the second link, should i get that?

req
06-17-2005, 05:33 PM
do not get the first one. it is waxed, so it will only allow one coating. i am not a fan of waxed resins. get the second one. first coat the box with regular resin, then coat the front with finishing resin and wetsand it with a block and like 100~200 grit until its smooth as my *** (wich is very smooth) and then when it dries - clean it off with some alcohol - and put a THIN layer of finishing on again just to get the CF to stick in place. spread your CF out (do not cut it to the exact size yet) and lay it over the face of the box. you might be able to lay it down in a slight angle - might look cool like that. anyway, put it on there and get a WIDE roller of some kind (wooden dowel might work) and make sure its fully flattened out.

then cover the whole thing with a nice layer of finishing resin - if you can roll the corners of the CF around the wood to the back side and staple them back there, and after the front side dries, paint the sides with resin and put a few more layers of finishing resin on the front. wetsand it with the block with some 800 or somthing, get some polishing compound (clay, paint polish, you know, like you would do with the car paint to polish with a buffer)

maybe just turtlewax it or somthing. we are just looking for a deep glass effect :)

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 05:43 PM
my resin is at my other house, could i just use that ultra glow **** for the entire thing. i dont see whats wrong with just sanding the baffle with 220, then 400. then just laying a light coat of the ultra glow on it, stick the carbon to it, roll it flat, trim a staple edges over the sides, and using an extra coat of the ultra glow if i need to.

bcarpenterfhl
06-17-2005, 05:45 PM
and what about this:
http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=34&

thats what they recommend for carbon fiber.