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    Gain matching taramps hd15k's

    I have 2 taramps hd15k's what the best way to go about gain matching







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    Re: Gain matching taramps hd15k's

    play a sine wave, throw a voltmeter on it and match numbers




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    Re: Gain matching taramps hd15k's

    wing it.

    I got worse results from several multi-meters than winging it. The multi meters didnt read proper AC voltage. tried out several, just didnt read anything proper.


    as for winging it, have them at the same position on the gain knob, then make fine adjustments after testing aka seeing which subs move more, which sub coils get warmer when you really really push it then lower/raise accordingly. Multi meter gain matching made me lose a **** ton of output and had one sub hotter than the other.



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    Re: Gain matching taramps hd15k's

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffdachef View Post
    wing it.

    I got worse results from several multi-meters than winging it. The multi meters didnt read proper AC voltage. tried out several, just didnt read anything proper.
    ****** meter or wrong frequency.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LosissaTool View Post
    ****** meter or wrong frequency.
    it was a fluke multi-meter along with 3 other multi-meters, same sh*t. 40 or 50hz doesnt do ****. The amp doesnt like multi-meters. Even with the gain maxed the ac volts didnt change much at all. literally just throw that multi-meter idea out the window and you'll do much better. with these hd 15ks. Its not my first rodeo gain matching two amps bud. it works with other amps just not the hd15ks



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    320 amp Singer alt....... 1 group 34 under the hood 6 group31 agms in the back 560 amp hours total.

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    Re: Gain matching taramps hd15k's

    but quite literally my amp gains are identical to each other on the position. Both at 5% mark and they are loading evenly, subs are same temperatures, system is healthy, stuff gets loud, sounds good. With the multi-meter it had one at 4% and the other at 7% which is completely off sounded out of phase, improper loading, output su cks, uneven coil temps after a harsh session. its not as drastic as i make it but i do hear differences when things sound off.



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    Headunit: Pioneer 80PRS................................Mids/Highs amp: CT 500.2, ppi 600.2, ppi 900.4 bridged
    Front stage: Two PWX 10s per door midbass only....... PRV 6MR500 midrange....... Massive CT 2 german tweeters.
    320 amp Singer alt....... 1 group 34 under the hood 6 group31 agms in the back 560 amp hours total.

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    Re: Gain matching taramps hd15k's

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffdachef View Post
    it was a fluke multi-meter along with 3 other multi-meters, same sh*t. 40 or 50hz doesnt do ****. The amp doesnt like multi-meters. Even with the gain maxed the ac volts didnt change much at all. literally just throw that multi-meter idea out the window and you'll do much better. with these hd 15ks. Its not my first rodeo gain matching two amps bud. it works with other amps just not the hd15ks
    Because ive said this and got laughted at. Its a pwm signal. You used the auto setting or the AC setting?
    You need a reactive load and you are much better off using a clamp meter and volt meter.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LosissaTool View Post
    Because ive said this and got laughted at. Its a pwm signal. You used the auto setting or the AC setting?
    You need a reactive load and you are much better off using a clamp meter and volt meter.
    every setting in the book I took a massive amount of time trying to tune it with all "proper" gain setting techniques. subs hooked up, subs unhooked doesnt matter.


    Like i said you are waaay better off winging it. Also using the clip indicator on the amp works great as well whenever i have the electrical to go up to 30% gain at +0 sub level which is when it starts flashing. Right now, still at 5% gain and -7 sub level atm and at -6 sub level, i drop to 10.3 volts lmaoo that lack of electrical is holding back soo much potential.



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    Re: Gain matching taramps hd15k's

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffdachef View Post
    but quite literally my amp gains are identical to each other on the position. Both at 5% mark and they are loading evenly, subs are same temperatures, system is healthy, stuff gets loud, sounds good. With the multi-meter it had one at 4% and the other at 7% which is completely off sounded out of phase, improper loading, output su cks, uneven coil temps after a harsh session. its not as drastic as i make it but i do hear differences when things sound off.
    Thats not to say the voltmeter wasnt more accurate. Two drivers might have been loaded slightly more so putting a tad less power on the other two could have helped..



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffdachef View Post
    every setting in the book.

    Like i said you are waaay better off winging it.
    I want to see said amp.
    Full bridge. Meter works on averaging.
    You need to use a peak reading not mean..
    If that dont work the i want to know wtf kind of electricity that thing puts out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LosissaTool View Post
    I want to see said amp.
    Full bridge. Meter works on averaging.
    You need to use a peak reading not mean..
    If that dont work the i want to know wtf kind of electricity that thing puts out.
    either its a lot of interference or some wierd stuff is going on. Other amps read the multi-meter fine. this just flat out reads wierd numbers. The ampere tfe read 91 volts while the taramps read 60 volts at 3% gain and 69 volts at max gain. However in a listening test the taramps was waay louder even at 5% gain on the old setup.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffdachef View Post
    either its a lot of interference or some wierd stuff is going on. Other amps read the multi-meter fine. this just flat out reads wierd numbers. The ampere tfe read 91 volts while the taramps read 60 volts at 3% gain and 69 volts at max gain. However in a listening test the taramps was waay louder even at 5% gain on the old setup.
    I realy think its the operation of the outputs and the meter trying to use an average. Ill bet its only reading one set of pulses at one given polarity. If you double the number is it more accurate?
    Id use a clamp meter. Measure impedance and use the clamp if that is the case..



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    Quote Originally Posted by LosissaTool View Post
    I realy think its the operation of the outputs and the meter trying to use an average. Ill bet its only reading one set of pulses at one given polarity. If you double the number is it more accurate?
    Id use a clamp meter. Measure impedance and use the clamp if that is the case..
    its good where its at atm. No access to a proper clamp at this time.



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    Re: Gain matching taramps hd15k's

    Amperage^2×impedance=power.
    I do this to test motors as well.



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    Not you money. Lol you breaking windshelds you good. Not to mention if you wheren't close you would know it



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